Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 139. (Read 28022 times)

This January I know there are upcoming fights and there are fights that I would surely want to discuss here, and the 1st one was the only fight dated as my birthday, and that was

Janicijevic vs. Weidmann

Thursday 01.05.2023
Location: Zlatibor, Serbia

MAIN EVENT
WBO European Female Lightweight Title
Jelena Janicijevic VS Sarah Weidmann

Information was from TAPOLOGY

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The next one is the very popular Gervonta Davis and before his fight with Ryan Garcia he will take on Hector Garcia here is the full card for the event, and here is the Forum Thread from Saisher,

Davis vs. Garcia

Saturday 01.07.2023
Location: Washington, District of Columbia
Venue: Capital One Arena

MAIN EVENT
WBA Regular Lightweight Title
Gervonta Davis VS Hector Garcia

CO-MAIN EVENT
Interim IBF World Welterweight Title
Jaron Ennis VS Karen Chukhadzhyan

MAIN CARD
Rashidi Ellis VS Roiman Villa
Demetrius Andrade VS Demond Nicholson

PRELIMINARY CARD
Vito Mielnicki Jr. VS Omar Rosales
Brandun Lee VS Patrick Okine
Lamont Peterson VS Michael Odhiambo
Anthony Peterson VS Raul Chirino
Kyrone Davis VS Cristian Fabian Rios
Travon Marshall VS Shawn West
Mia Ellis VS Karen Dulin
Jalil Hackett VS Joel Guevara
Keeshawn Williams VS Gustavo David Vittori

All information was from TAPOLOGY

It's childish if the public sees that the decision was fair, here, the public sees there's something wrong with the decision and the judges were favoring the home fighter despite the fact that he was very well dominated in the fight. This will destroy the sports of boxing, and the reputation of the country that have hosted the fight.

That's where the petition probably starts. When the loser boxer don't want to accept the decision and thinks that there's an anomaly regards to the unanimous decision and as per as scoring.

Honestly, this is a childish petition if ever there are boxers like that. They have to respect what has given to them based on the score cards that's presented.

If that's the main reason why many don't like the judges anymore then there shouldn't be judge anymore but, that's it. They're trusted to do their job.

But only a few complaints are successful to win, that's why they called this sport corrupt because there are results that is very obvious to be wrong. Like this particular fight, also, we don't know when the decision will come out, I'm sure there are lots of boxers in the past who complained but the results are not in their favor.

Yeah, there have been cases like that. It's a petition and complaint that they believe that there's a wrong result to the match that has happened and that's why it has to be reviewed again.
It's not a problem for the boxing committee because they're open to any fairness that might affect their reputation. But these days, I rarely see it happen anymore as most of the losses and fights that happen were respected for the results.
But if there's really a need to review a fight, then the losing fighter has to put it up to the process while the boxer that has won should just wait until an investigation comes.

Yes, we can probably call it home advantage, and as others said, not the first time and not only did it exists on boxing, it all other sports discipline as well. It's not in boxing, it is very evident of a home town decision. And it's very hard for someone to visit the home turf of an opponent and then win in the judges card, maybe we can count only a couple and recently, Casimero is a good example of it because after all John Riel is a KO artist as well.

So we will want how the controversy will be settled and hopefully another fight will be good to justify whether it was biased scoring or Franco is really good that he should won the fight in the first place.

Home advantage.  That is why judges and commentators should be from different countries if ever a fight will be between 2 countries.
As long as they know what they are doing, it should be enough for making decisions.
And yes, this is why a TKO or KO is what most boxers do now. If it will be in the judges' hands there's a chance they will lose it by a point or worst like what happened in biased fights in their home countries.
Thankfully, most of the title holders now are KO specialists, Inoue is a good example of it as it's not easy for bantamweights to end a KO/TKO, 24-21-3. And the best example at light heavyweight, Artur Beterbiev, 18-18-0

There could be, but the scoring at least should be correct in the first place as reversing the decision doesn't look good for the sports. That why they are judges, they are train and if I'm not mistaken, paid to do their job right. But if they continue to made mistakes after mistakes then they should look for another job.


Not as easy as it sounds though, the Casimero fight was very different case as it was under the Korean boxing commission, not well known and not sanction by the 4 boxing governing body that we have. But for the fight between Ioka and Franco, it's a unification so very difficult to reverse until all bodies agree on the decision, but I doubt that they will do that, they can simple order a mandatory rematch, best case scenario.

This seems interesting to me, if we go back, there was a very controversial incident regarding the performance of a boxer, who, if I don't remember more, gave the victory to a Japanese when in fact he did not win, but according to the technical gesture it is something that is very wrong, and I think that everyone can attest that you can't have such biases in a boxing fight, particularly I am a boxing fan and I really practiced this sport, and I can say that I prefer to see a fight that they win opr Knockout, or that they have to do another type of development that is by technical means, of course there are opinions that are diverse.

Something very interesting:

Yoohanngoh defends his WBA Asia belt against Metuda in Bangkok – World Boxing Association


Source: https://www.saddoboxing.com/56570-yoohanngoh-defends-his-wba-asia-belt-against-metuda-in-bangkok-world-boxing-association.html

If I'm not mistaken, there are boxing events and matches before where decisions were changed upon being reviewed.

Like, the losing side will file a complaint, the boxing board or councils will review it, then from there, announce the final results. Another one, the losing side won't bother to make a complaint but the board will still review the fight (like what happened to Casimero).

For long-time boxing enthusiasts there, I'm sure they have an idea about that.

Even boxing commentators are biased as well, hehehe, so I guess everyone in boxing might be corrupt, even the organization themselves, like the famed WBC by the Sulaiman.

That's why boxers doesn't want the fight to end in judges hand because most of the time the decision will not be in their favor.

I guess one classic example is Roy Jones losing the Olympic gold medal in this fight and says that he doesn't want to fight anymore. Fortunately for us he change his mind and become one of the legends of boxing. On the other hand, Park Si-hun was ruined after this fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZY_0eXCROM

I believe the more we support the sport the more we complain about the unjust decisions by judges.  This way we can assure that the sports we are supporting offer the best services.  It is not new in boxing history that judges can be bought.  There are even lots of rumors about Mayweather Jr. buying judges' favors just to let him win the game.  It become a hot topic when Judges favors Mayweather Jr. in the first encounter of  Mayweather and Maidana.

Never knew about this myth, though I always have the impression that Japanese boxers are good because most of them seem to have mostly perfect/clean records if you just watch their match history. And also, I thought the Japanese are only biased in judging when it comes to wrestling and nothing more. Turns out, even professional boxing is rigged if they want it to be rigged. On Japanese boxers, Inoue is the one I always watch, which is why I didn't have this impression that the Japanese can also be unfair in judging boxing. I just thought that they're really, really good.

Might also be the reason why not a lot of Japanese professional boxers can be named in the international scene.


It's hard to take things as fact as it will slowly plague the sport and it will lose its credibility over time. People will soon start to unfollow the sport resulting to its downfall if things such as this will only be accepted as a normal occurrence. Fans can always complain about the result, and the players' corner can always file a complaint if they think the decision is unfair. Pretty sure with enough publicity and enough negative public opinion, these things will diminish.


True, this is why a lot of boxers nowadays aren't really focusing for longevity inside the ring. Most of their training regiments often involve stances and positions that the boxers can utilize to deliver knockout punches. That's why a lot of the newer generations that we see right now have those killer punches that can easily end the round. No one wants to be in that ring for a long time, they all want to get things over with in a jiffy and finish things in a convincing manner.

In fact, in all sports, we find the same thing exists but most of the time the excitement and the competition for the championships are still there, and also the probability to win even when the game is rig is still there especially in boxing when they knock out their opponents who were supposed to be the favorite to win the fight. That's why most of the underdogs are working harder multiple times than their opponents because he was going to knock out the knockout if he get the chance if the fight will reach the official's decision, most likely he will be left behind on the scorecard.

That exhibition game in Korea with Manny Pacquiao and DK Yoo as the main card was controversial on the highest version.
The main card was judged good but the other fights were all corrupted.
Even the commentator was saying it on live TV and doesn't care what anyone would say. It's ridiculous and yet it's like no one understands him or heard him so they could change things, they just kept on judging it against the real winner or just one-sided for their countrymen to win.
It became dirtier now, in fact, this may happen in the long run with exhibition matches in other countries. The new normal.

That's not new in boxing, there are really questionable judging, they say boxing is corrupt, then that explain the allegations. However, we are still here supporting the sport, so we should not complain, just accept the fact that sometimes things does not happen based on our expectation. If we search in youtube, you will find a lot of fights with controversial results.

The same thing happened in Australia when Pacman was robbed. Let's hope that things will change for the fairness of sports, that way they will be able to have the opportunity to host a championship fight because they have good credibility, big fights are not fought in countries where there's a questionable reputation about judging a fight, so it's not good for business.

Japan has been known for their unfair judgement when it comes to boxing scorecard.  It was so unfair that the term "Japanese judging is fair" is written as a myth in this article[1]. 


So it isn't really surprising that the Japanese boxer seldom lost in their country.  During the 1990's the only way to win in Japan was to knock out their boxer and if you failed to stop your opponent it is a sure lost to the visiting boxer.

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[1] https://www.asianboxing.info/thinking-out-east/5-misconceptions-of-japanese-boxing

I do agree that it should be Franco, because of his incredible work rate in this fight and probably Ioka was surprised with the volume that Franco throws in this fight up to round 12. Most likely the best thing this corrupt judges can do is to make the fight a draw so that it will not looks like something is being home cook for Ioka. I do hope that the organizations will look at the score of the two judges and put sanctions on them, maybe not to score any fight because their scoring is absurd in this case. Sad to hear that Filipinos lost as well, I'm only familiar with the name of Peter Apolinar though, but he lost by a UD, which means he didn't really do good in this fight or it's that his Japanese foe is too good for him.

Oh I have to see the fight, I never thought that it will end like this, I wouldn't say that Japan is known to be biased, but that's how others have did, like Manny losing to Jeff Horn in Australian soil.

Perhaps Ioka is already down that the best thing the judges could do is to award a draw instead of pushing him as a winner as it might be another uproar similar to what we've seen on Casimero against another Japanese fighter.