Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 140. (Read 28131 times)

Home advantage.  That is why judges and commentators should be from different countries if ever a fight will be between 2 countries.
As long as they know what they are doing, it should be enough for making decisions.
And yes, this is why a TKO or KO is what most boxers do now. If it will be in the judges' hands there's a chance they will lose it by a point or worst like what happened in biased fights in their home countries.
Thankfully, most of the title holders now are KO specialists, Inoue is a good example of it as it's not easy for bantamweights to end a KO/TKO, 24-21-3. And the best example at light heavyweight, Artur Beterbiev, 18-18-0

There could be, but the scoring at least should be correct in the first place as reversing the decision doesn't look good for the sports. That why they are judges, they are train and if I'm not mistaken, paid to do their job right. But if they continue to made mistakes after mistakes then they should look for another job.


Not as easy as it sounds though, the Casimero fight was very different case as it was under the Korean boxing commission, not well known and not sanction by the 4 boxing governing body that we have. But for the fight between Ioka and Franco, it's a unification so very difficult to reverse until all bodies agree on the decision, but I doubt that they will do that, they can simple order a mandatory rematch, best case scenario.

This seems interesting to me, if we go back, there was a very controversial incident regarding the performance of a boxer, who, if I don't remember more, gave the victory to a Japanese when in fact he did not win, but according to the technical gesture it is something that is very wrong, and I think that everyone can attest that you can't have such biases in a boxing fight, particularly I am a boxing fan and I really practiced this sport, and I can say that I prefer to see a fight that they win opr Knockout, or that they have to do another type of development that is by technical means, of course there are opinions that are diverse.

Something very interesting:

Yoohanngoh defends his WBA Asia belt against Metuda in Bangkok – World Boxing Association


Source: https://www.saddoboxing.com/56570-yoohanngoh-defends-his-wba-asia-belt-against-metuda-in-bangkok-world-boxing-association.html

If I'm not mistaken, there are boxing events and matches before where decisions were changed upon being reviewed.

Like, the losing side will file a complaint, the boxing board or councils will review it, then from there, announce the final results. Another one, the losing side won't bother to make a complaint but the board will still review the fight (like what happened to Casimero).

For long-time boxing enthusiasts there, I'm sure they have an idea about that.

Even boxing commentators are biased as well, hehehe, so I guess everyone in boxing might be corrupt, even the organization themselves, like the famed WBC by the Sulaiman.

That's why boxers doesn't want the fight to end in judges hand because most of the time the decision will not be in their favor.

I guess one classic example is Roy Jones losing the Olympic gold medal in this fight and says that he doesn't want to fight anymore. Fortunately for us he change his mind and become one of the legends of boxing. On the other hand, Park Si-hun was ruined after this fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZY_0eXCROM

I believe the more we support the sport the more we complain about the unjust decisions by judges.  This way we can assure that the sports we are supporting offer the best services.  It is not new in boxing history that judges can be bought.  There are even lots of rumors about Mayweather Jr. buying judges' favors just to let him win the game.  It become a hot topic when Judges favors Mayweather Jr. in the first encounter of  Mayweather and Maidana.

Never knew about this myth, though I always have the impression that Japanese boxers are good because most of them seem to have mostly perfect/clean records if you just watch their match history. And also, I thought the Japanese are only biased in judging when it comes to wrestling and nothing more. Turns out, even professional boxing is rigged if they want it to be rigged. On Japanese boxers, Inoue is the one I always watch, which is why I didn't have this impression that the Japanese can also be unfair in judging boxing. I just thought that they're really, really good.

Might also be the reason why not a lot of Japanese professional boxers can be named in the international scene.


It's hard to take things as fact as it will slowly plague the sport and it will lose its credibility over time. People will soon start to unfollow the sport resulting to its downfall if things such as this will only be accepted as a normal occurrence. Fans can always complain about the result, and the players' corner can always file a complaint if they think the decision is unfair. Pretty sure with enough publicity and enough negative public opinion, these things will diminish.


True, this is why a lot of boxers nowadays aren't really focusing for longevity inside the ring. Most of their training regiments often involve stances and positions that the boxers can utilize to deliver knockout punches. That's why a lot of the newer generations that we see right now have those killer punches that can easily end the round. No one wants to be in that ring for a long time, they all want to get things over with in a jiffy and finish things in a convincing manner.

In fact, in all sports, we find the same thing exists but most of the time the excitement and the competition for the championships are still there, and also the probability to win even when the game is rig is still there especially in boxing when they knock out their opponents who were supposed to be the favorite to win the fight. That's why most of the underdogs are working harder multiple times than their opponents because he was going to knock out the knockout if he get the chance if the fight will reach the official's decision, most likely he will be left behind on the scorecard.

That exhibition game in Korea with Manny Pacquiao and DK Yoo as the main card was controversial on the highest version.
The main card was judged good but the other fights were all corrupted.
Even the commentator was saying it on live TV and doesn't care what anyone would say. It's ridiculous and yet it's like no one understands him or heard him so they could change things, they just kept on judging it against the real winner or just one-sided for their countrymen to win.
It became dirtier now, in fact, this may happen in the long run with exhibition matches in other countries. The new normal.

That's not new in boxing, there are really questionable judging, they say boxing is corrupt, then that explain the allegations. However, we are still here supporting the sport, so we should not complain, just accept the fact that sometimes things does not happen based on our expectation. If we search in youtube, you will find a lot of fights with controversial results.

The same thing happened in Australia when Pacman was robbed. Let's hope that things will change for the fairness of sports, that way they will be able to have the opportunity to host a championship fight because they have good credibility, big fights are not fought in countries where there's a questionable reputation about judging a fight, so it's not good for business.

Japan has been known for their unfair judgement when it comes to boxing scorecard.  It was so unfair that the term "Japanese judging is fair" is written as a myth in this article[1]. 


So it isn't really surprising that the Japanese boxer seldom lost in their country.  During the 1990's the only way to win in Japan was to knock out their boxer and if you failed to stop your opponent it is a sure lost to the visiting boxer.

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[1] https://www.asianboxing.info/thinking-out-east/5-misconceptions-of-japanese-boxing

I do agree that it should be Franco, because of his incredible work rate in this fight and probably Ioka was surprised with the volume that Franco throws in this fight up to round 12. Most likely the best thing this corrupt judges can do is to make the fight a draw so that it will not looks like something is being home cook for Ioka. I do hope that the organizations will look at the score of the two judges and put sanctions on them, maybe not to score any fight because their scoring is absurd in this case. Sad to hear that Filipinos lost as well, I'm only familiar with the name of Peter Apolinar though, but he lost by a UD, which means he didn't really do good in this fight or it's that his Japanese foe is too good for him.

Oh I have to see the fight, I never thought that it will end like this, I wouldn't say that Japan is known to be biased, but that's how others have did, like Manny losing to Jeff Horn in Australian soil.

Perhaps Ioka is already down that the best thing the judges could do is to award a draw instead of pushing him as a winner as it might be another uproar similar to what we've seen on Casimero against another Japanese fighter.

And now I have watched the replay and judging from the fight it was a slow pace fight that pretty much sure the judges are confused and it was a close fight in their eyes but for me, Joshua Franco is keeping the advantage by always being on the center of the ring while Kazuto Ioka was circling around him, so for sure Joshua Franco has the upper hand but the judges have declared it as a draw seems very controversial at all, in that sense I smell something about the Japanese promoter of this event the last time that this happens was with the John Riel Casimero VS Ryo Akaho fight it was a No contest it seems that the judges and the referee are controlling on who's going to win,

But right now as I am looking back at the Tapology record for the John Riel Casimero VS Ryo Akaho fight it seems that decision for that fight has changed and instead of a No Contest it was a win for John Riel Casimero KO/TKO punch to the back of the head a 1st fight won by a boxer because of a rabbit punch,

Joshua Franco vs. Kazuto Ioka resulted as majority draw with a scorecard of 115-113, 114-114, 114-114.  Many viewers thought that the fight should be won by Franco by a small margin since the fight is too close.  Obviously Japan is known to have a home decision advantage and is often biased on the result when it comes to the scorecard.  So it is not a surprise that Franco did not win, but kinda surprising that it resulted in a draw  .

Right now the event Lifetime Boxing Fights 12: Ioka vs. Franco has been settled and here is the result of the fight

Kazuto Ioka DRAW Joshua Franco

Hayato Tsutsumi DEF Peter Apolinar

Kai Watanabe DEF Ryo Nakai

Ryuto Owan DEF Robin Langres

Satsuki Ito DEF Wassana Kamdee

Taiga Ito DEF Kentaro Miyamoto

Kazuki Ogiwara DEF Ayato Mochizuki

Kantaro Nakanishi DEF Akira Nakashima

Pretty much the main event turns into a draw and right now I really don't know what happens because I don't want to waste money watching it and surely just going to wait for the replay on youtube, for this fight, well most Japanese were the winners and sad to say the two Filipino lost the fight Peter Apolinar lost to Hayato Tsutsumi with a unanimous decision, while Robin Langres defeated by Ryuto Owan with a unanimous decision aswell,

Title of becoming a champion again, yes of course. However, it will not be an easy journey for him as he hasn't challenged the champion of this new weight class he is in. His first win was a great statement that he still has the power, and with that, I believe he will be a very dangerous challenger, I hope Inoue will also move up.

Yes, and there's conditioning too. After rigorous training, they don't just battle the next day. They are giving them rest with a non-exhausting training plan, just to preserve their rhythm.
I agree, no boxer can make this happen, it will be too much for their body.
Then, there's no manager that would risk his boxer to do that kind of thing, a waste of money, because the chances of losing the fight will be higher.

Casimero made a mistake before but I am sure he wants his title back. Having more fights in a year will not be the solution. He needs a match with higher boxer seeds to gain the rankings.

He can do that in two fights, but it has to be someone that is recognized, like the name of Nery or someone among the top 5 and if he wins then go for the top 3 name, (although Nery is too high already as he is a former champion).

Casimero is not short of highlights that's for sure, he is more powerful at 122 lbs and if he touches anyone at this weight class even the champion and high rank boxers, they are going to be for a rude awakening.