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The abuse of social media has finally taken its toll again and Ryan Garcia has officially been dismissed from his WBC membership after making controversial and racist statements in his posts on Instagram, I think what Garcia did should be a lesson for many young boxers who want to start their careers in boxing, for don't do ridiculous things and actually destroy their career as a boxer, In fact, Garcia is a boxer who is quite talented and would probably have a brilliant career if he could avoid things that continue to trigger controversy today, as a boxer who is still very young, of course the way is open for him to get a better career in the future, especially since all this time, Ryan Garcia has been under the promoter of boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya, so it is very likely that Ryan Garcia will be able to get a better opportunity to become a great boxer with help from Oscar de la Hoya, but after everything Ryan Garcia is doing now and after his expulsion from the WBC so we can say that his career is over.

WBC is one of the places that has succeeded in raising Ryan Garcia and now because of his stupidity in doing several uncontrollable things, he has to leave the WBC, everything has been explained by WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman and this expulsion is also stated as form of rejection of acts of racism and discrimination.
We all know that Ryan Garcia is one of the best young boxers, he has had really very satisfying career and has been one of the boxers who was able to unite the 3 title, but unfortunately his stupidity has repeated itself.
I think in the future we will never be able to see how Ryan Garcia fights in this championship again and one thing that is certain is the rematch he wants against Gervonta Davis was guaranteed to fail because Gervonta Davis reject it.
Apart from that there is also serious attitude from the promoter Oscar De La Hoya and the figure of Muhammad grandson Ali is Nico Ali Walsh, but everything has happened and there will be no solution that can really help Ryan Garcia to come back again, I sure this will be complicated problem to solve.

What do you expect? He went overboard with his posts and with the way the social media is right now, they are going to cancel you regardless of who you are. And I think Ryan deserves this, he has been out of control in the past couple of months after he was found guilty of using PEDS and now suspended. But it seems that he doesn't care and when on a tirade in his account, but no one is letting him with this one.

And so WBC has no other options but to issued their statement about Ryan and so there's nothing we can do about it. Oscar though trying to salvage everything by saying that Ryan is going into rehab but it's too late.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 09, 2024, 05:38:59 PM

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The abuse of social media has finally taken its toll again and Ryan Garcia has officially been dismissed from his WBC membership after making controversial and racist statements in his posts on Instagram, I think what Garcia did should be a lesson for many young boxers who want to start their careers in boxing, for don't do ridiculous things and actually destroy their career as a boxer, In fact, Garcia is a boxer who is quite talented and would probably have a brilliant career if he could avoid things that continue to trigger controversy today, as a boxer who is still very young, of course the way is open for him to get a better career in the future, especially since all this time, Ryan Garcia has been under the promoter of boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya, so it is very likely that Ryan Garcia will be able to get a better opportunity to become a great boxer with help from Oscar de la Hoya, but after everything Ryan Garcia is doing now and after his expulsion from the WBC so we can say that his career is over.

WBC is one of the places that has succeeded in raising Ryan Garcia and now because of his stupidity in doing several uncontrollable things, he has to leave the WBC, everything has been explained by WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman and this expulsion is also stated as form of rejection of acts of racism and discrimination.
We all know that Ryan Garcia is one of the best young boxers, he has had really very satisfying career and has been one of the boxers who was able to unite the 3 title, but unfortunately his stupidity has repeated itself.
I think in the future we will never be able to see how Ryan Garcia fights in this championship again and one thing that is certain is the rematch he wants against Gervonta Davis was guaranteed to fail because Gervonta Davis reject it.
Apart from that there is also serious attitude from the promoter Oscar De La Hoya and the figure of Muhammad grandson Ali is Nico Ali Walsh, but everything has happened and there will be no solution that can really help Ryan Garcia to come back again, I sure this will be complicated problem to solve.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 09, 2024, 06:29:50 PM

The abuse of social media has finally taken its toll again and Ryan Garcia has officially been dismissed from his WBC membership after making controversial and racist statements in his posts on Instagram, I think what Garcia did should be a lesson for many young boxers who want to start their careers in boxing, for don't do ridiculous things and actually destroy their career as a boxer, In fact, Garcia is a boxer who is quite talented and would probably have a brilliant career if he could avoid things that continue to trigger controversy today, as a boxer who is still very young, of course the way is open for him to get a better career in the future, especially since all this time, Ryan Garcia has been under the promoter of boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya, so it is very likely that Ryan Garcia will be able to get a better opportunity to become a great boxer with help from Oscar de la Hoya, but after everything Ryan Garcia is doing now and after his expulsion from the WBC so we can say that his career is over.

I already posted it here.

Regarding the fight between Conceicao and Foster, yeah, I think it was controversial as I give that to Foster, and so it's hard for him to take that fight and then seeing his belt gone after the judges took it away from him and rewarded Conceicao.

Not sure if there were rematch clause, but it looks none, but hopefully Conceicao will gave one and see that his win is not a fluke. It could be the fight was boring though, as Conceicao is the aggressor here, although not hitting Foster but it seems that's what the judges see in this fight.

Yes, I think it's not only ESPN that score and say that Foster has won, but there could be a lot watching live and scoring the fight itself. And he has all the right to demand a rematch because it's really controversial and you have to look at the background of those judges.

Of course Top Rank's Bob Arum is all fuming that his boy winning has been criticized and say that punch stat says nothing. But hopefully, he will allow Robson to rematch Foster to settle this. But with the way Bob talks, it seems he is not keen on that second fight with Foster though.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 08, 2024, 04:49:21 AM

Funny this is, after he was announced the winner, he wear this t-shirt.
https://x.com/Gametimeguru1/status/1809809127553507706
I don't think that Shakur though could win against Loma even if Loma is old. Shakur might be too technical, but Loma has fought a lot of fighters in his resume that tends to be tactical, but they say No Mas to him.

It will be Loma vs Tank first and so Shakur will have to wait if the winner is willing to face him because his style is boring.

Shakur is the very definition of being all bark and no bite. He may act tough on social media but when he is inside of the ring, he couldn’t even hurt a fly. He is not entitled to a Loma fight. Now that he is a free agent, Top Rank has no obligation to match him against one of their most marketable and exciting fighters. From a business perspective it is better for Loma to fight Tank.

Promoters will only pursue a match if they are seeing good money out of it. And since he is a free agent now, hard for him to push thru the fight he wants. Unless, boxing fans are calling for it and they see a huge demand for the fight. Otherwise, he needs a very good convincing power from the boxing world to get a very good fight.

And remember, a lot of boxing fans want a toe-to-toe fight. If you are a boring boxer, I don't think the boxing world would be eager to call for you inside the boxing ring. Let alone without a promoter. Most boxing fights happen because of the promoters involved, not because of the boxer's will. At the end of the day, the promoters are the ones pushing thru the fights.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 08, 2024, 04:49:21 AM

Funny this is, after he was announced the winner, he wear this t-shirt.

https://x.com/Gametimeguru1/status/1809809127553507706

I don't think that Shakur though could win against Loma even if Loma is old. Shakur might be too technical, but Loma has fought a lot of fighters in his resume that tends to be tactical, but they say No Mas to him.

It will be Loma vs Tank first and so Shakur will have to wait if the winner is willing to face him because his style is boring.

Shakur is the very definition of being all bark and no bite. He may act tough on social media but when he is inside of the ring, he couldn’t even hurt a fly. He is not entitled to a Loma fight. Now that he is a free agent, Top Rank has no obligation to match him against one of their most marketable and exciting fighters. From a business perspective it is better for Loma to fight Tank.

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Quote from: stadus on July 08, 2024, 08:34:51 AM

The abuse of social media has finally taken its toll again and Ryan Garcia has officially been dismissed from his WBC membership after making controversial and racist statements in his posts on Instagram, I think what Garcia did should be a lesson for many young boxers who want to start their careers in boxing, for don't do ridiculous things and actually destroy their career as a boxer, In fact, Garcia is a boxer who is quite talented and would probably have a brilliant career if he could avoid things that continue to trigger controversy today, as a boxer who is still very young, of course the way is open for him to get a better career in the future, especially since all this time, Ryan Garcia has been under the promoter of boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya, so it is very likely that Ryan Garcia will be able to get a better opportunity to become a great boxer with help from Oscar de la Hoya, but after everything Ryan Garcia is doing now and after his expulsion from the WBC so we can say that his career is over.

I already posted it here.

Regarding the fight between Conceicao and Foster, yeah, I think it was controversial as I give that to Foster, and so it's hard for him to take that fight and then seeing his belt gone after the judges took it away from him and rewarded Conceicao.

Not sure if there were rematch clause, but it looks none, but hopefully Conceicao will gave one and see that his win is not a fluke. It could be the fight was boring though, as Conceicao is the aggressor here, although not hitting Foster but it seems that's what the judges see in this fight.

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The abuse of social media has finally taken its toll again and Ryan Garcia has officially been dismissed from his WBC membership after making controversial and racist statements in his posts on Instagram, I think what Garcia did should be a lesson for many young boxers who want to start their careers in boxing, for don't do ridiculous things and actually destroy their career as a boxer, In fact, Garcia is a boxer who is quite talented and would probably have a brilliant career if he could avoid things that continue to trigger controversy today, as a boxer who is still very young, of course the way is open for him to get a better career in the future, especially since all this time, Ryan Garcia has been under the promoter of boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya, so it is very likely that Ryan Garcia will be able to get a better opportunity to become a great boxer with help from Oscar de la Hoya, but after everything Ryan Garcia is doing now and after his expulsion from the WBC so we can say that his career is over.

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What can you say about Robson Conceicao winner over a controversial decision against O'shaquie Foster

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Minutes later, the 8,412 in attendance received more of a jolt from the result than the fight itself, when Brazilian Robson Conceicao, trying for the fourth time to win a world junior lightweight title, pulled off a shocker, winning the WBC belt by controversial split decision over O’Shaquie Foster, despite being outlanded 109-76 in total connects and in 10 of 12 rounds.

However, Conceicao (19-2-1, 5 knockouts) did enough to convince judges Paul Wallace (115-113) and Anthony Lundy (116-112) that he won, overruling judge Ron McNair’s 116-112 scorecard for Foster and what everyone else saw on the undercard of the Shakur Stevenson-Artem Harutyunyan WBC lightweight title fight.

At ringside, The Ring had Foster winning 118-110, giving Conceicao the fourth and 11th rounds.

https://www.ringtv.com/678230-robson-conceicao-wins-a-controversial-upset-over-oshaquie-foster-for-wbc-junior-lightweight-title/

It could be one of the biggest robberies for this year, the numbers are not lying but perhaps the two judges are watching other fights. There could be highlights in Youtube for now and maybe some of you are going to watch it and see it for yourself if the judges make the correct decision or not.

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Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2024, 08:27:56 AM

And it was said that Shakur turns down a $15 million 5 fight from Top Rank,

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“Yeah, it's not chump change,” Stevenson said in an interview that aired on ESPN immediately before his win against Harutyunyan. “But I know my worth and I know who I am now. I understand my value, from when I first signed with them to now – it’s a lot higher.

https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-turns-down-5-fight-15m-top-rank-deal-arums-saving-son-lomachenko-from-ass-whooping--184715

Hopefully it will not back fire on his as obviously he is not a crowd draw like Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia. And he might not able to fight the winner of Tank Davis vs Loma, and if ever he will be given the chance, he will not be the A-side for that fight and he might just be that same value that Top Rank is offering to him. And then we will see excuses that he was low balled and what's not, but it's the business of boxing.

That's the kind of risk he is taking. We can't blame him as he wants a bigger slice of the pie, so he'll get out and prove his worth. There are a lot of boxers who have tried the same strategy but failed. Hopefully, for Stevenson, he will be able to keep his value and find a real opponent that could excite the fans, like an opponent that is not cherry-picked by him or probably Bob during his time. Maybe he needs to get more aggressive, as boxing is not really about keeping the undefeated record, but about how to entertain the fans since that's where the money comes from.

Correct, it's a big risk on Shakur's end to not sign with Top Rank anymore and pursue being his own promoter or work with others as it is business. But for now, the way we look at it, he is not worth to be a PPV star because his style is not meant to be in the main event as he can't draw crowd. He did in his several last fights but it's all on his native city. But now even his local fans are leaving early and booing him because of his style. So let's see who's his new manager, I'm also seeing that maybe Eddie Hearn has pitch already and that he could have promised a Tank Davis fight for him in the future. So let's see how it goes, Bob Arum though says that Tank and Loma are going to fight next.

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Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2024, 08:27:56 AM

And it was said that Shakur turns down a $15 million 5 fight from Top Rank,

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“Yeah, it's not chump change,” Stevenson said in an interview that aired on ESPN immediately before his win against Harutyunyan. “But I know my worth and I know who I am now. I understand my value, from when I first signed with them to now – it’s a lot higher.

https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-turns-down-5-fight-15m-top-rank-deal-arums-saving-son-lomachenko-from-ass-whooping--184715

Hopefully it will not back fire on his as obviously he is not a crowd draw like Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia. And he might not able to fight the winner of Tank Davis vs Loma, and if ever he will be given the chance, he will not be the A-side for that fight and he might just be that same value that Top Rank is offering to him. And then we will see excuses that he was low balled and what's not, but it's the business of boxing.

That's the kind of risk he is taking. We can't blame him as he wants a bigger slice of the pie, so he'll get out and prove his worth. There are a lot of boxers who have tried the same strategy but failed. Hopefully, for Stevenson, he will be able to keep his value and find a real opponent that could excite the fans, like an opponent that is not cherry-picked by him or probably Bob during his time. Maybe he needs to get more aggressive, as boxing is not really about keeping the undefeated record, but about how to entertain the fans since that's where the money comes from.

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And it was said that Shakur turns down a $15 million 5 fight from Top Rank,

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“Yeah, it's not chump change,” Stevenson said in an interview that aired on ESPN immediately before his win against Harutyunyan. “But I know my worth and I know who I am now. I understand my value, from when I first signed with them to now – it’s a lot higher.

https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-turns-down-5-fight-15m-top-rank-deal-arums-saving-son-lomachenko-from-ass-whooping--184715

Hopefully it will not back fire on his as obviously he is not a crowd draw like Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia. And he might not able to fight the winner of Tank Davis vs Loma, and if ever he will be given the chance, he will not be the A-side for that fight and he might just be that same value that Top Rank is offering to him. And then we will see excuses that he was low balled and what's not, but it's the business of boxing.

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And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Ohh, this must be the reason of his lackluster performance tonight hehe. Honestly, i fall asleep watching the fight, i just don't know the reason why Shakur didn't threw that much punch to at least hurt his opponent as he could hit him at will.

Anyways, with his performance tonight i don't think Bob Arum would be eager to re-sign him as he is such a boring fighter at least for me.

Everyone fell asleep watching the fight and I do agree that he was boo'ed by the crowd. Others says he put a masterclass there, but fans alike says that it was really a snoozer and even if he wins by a huge margin, still it was not impressive at all. Pacman would have won in that kind of score but we knows that he throws a lot of punch and he entertained us.

But here, he will just wait and then counter and move back. If this is his last fight with Top Rank, the most likely he will go with Matchroom, I see interview of Eddie Hearn praising him, Grin

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 07, 2024, 06:26:20 AM

And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Ohh, this must be the reason of his lackluster performance tonight hehe. Honestly, i fall asleep watching the fight, i just don't know the reason why Shakur didn't threw that much punch to at least hurt his opponent as he could hit him at will.

Anyways, with his performance tonight i don't think Bob Arum would be eager to re-sign him as he is such a boring fighter at least for me.

Funny this is, after he was announced the winner, he wear this t-shirt.

https://x.com/Gametimeguru1/status/1809809127553507706

I don't think that Shakur though could win against Loma even if Loma is old. Shakur might be too technical, but Loma has fought a lot of fighters in his resume that tends to be tactical, but they say No Mas to him.

It will be Loma vs Tank first and so Shakur will have to wait if the winner is willing to face him because his style is boring.

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And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Ohh, this must be the reason of his lackluster performance tonight hehe. Honestly, i fall asleep watching the fight, i just don't know the reason why Shakur didn't threw that much punch to at least hurt his opponent as he could hit him at will.

Anyways, with his performance tonight i don't think Bob Arum would be eager to re-sign him as he is such a boring fighter at least for me.

I didn't even watch this fight as I know it will be an easy win by him, and in fact I wasn't wrong because he won by unanimous decision. And thanks for saying it was a boring fight, at least I didn't waste my time watching this. So if he'll break his tie with Top Rank, will he be promoting himself? And if that will happen, will he be eager to fight a true champion that he has a 50/50 chance of winning?

Yes, if he insist to push his way on his own he needs to sell his name and like what you mentioned he needs to fight or challenge a true champion where the ratio from wining and losing are the same, I guess with how it was been describe aside from his loyal fans thsoe who loves seeing real actions will hesitate to watch his fight as they knew what will be the outcome, else, there's a competition that will give him a great fight if he accept challenge from someone who can really beat him if mistakenly prepared for it.

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And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Ohh, this must be the reason of his lackluster performance tonight hehe. Honestly, i fall asleep watching the fight, i just don't know the reason why Shakur didn't threw that much punch to at least hurt his opponent as he could hit him at will.

Anyways, with his performance tonight i don't think Bob Arum would be eager to re-sign him as he is such a boring fighter at least for me.

I didn't even watch this fight as I know it will be an easy win by him, and in fact I wasn't wrong because he won by unanimous decision. And thanks for saying it was a boring fight, at least I didn't waste my time watching this. So if he'll break his tie with Top Rank, will he be promoting himself? And if that will happen, will he be eager to fight a true champion that he has a 50/50 chance of winning?

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 06, 2024, 01:48:36 AM

And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Ohh, this must be the reason of his lackluster performance tonight hehe. Honestly, i fall asleep watching the fight, i just don't know the reason why Shakur didn't threw that much punch to at least hurt his opponent as he could hit him at will.

Anyways, with his performance tonight i don't think Bob Arum would be eager to re-sign him as he is such a boring fighter at least for me.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 06, 2024, 01:48:36 AM

I'm surprised that no one is talking about Shakur Stevenson vs Artem Harutyunyan fight.

Where's our underdog boxing fans at? Are we going to see a upset or Shakur is not just overhype and will win this fight although it could be another snoozer of a fight, LOL. So let's see if Shakur win's here and call Tank Davis or Loma for his next big fight.

And if I'm not mistaken, this is Shakur's last fight with Top Rank and he says that he will not longer re-sign with Bob Arum.

Shakur’s fights tend to be boring sometimes, and it is hard to build excitement for those kind of fighters. Lightweight has some good fighters like Loma, Tank, Berinchyk, and Zepeda. Out of all those, Berinchyk seems the most willing to fight him, but he is with Top Rank so I’m not sure how well he can do by switching promoters. He could end up like Demetrius Andrade, because of his style everyone avoided him and he faded into irrelevance.

And the fight ended on judges scorecard, Shakur won, but then again, even in his own Newark, fans are booing him because of this boring fight. So it's tends to be the style of Stevenson, he is more technical but the thing is that the fans doesn't appreciate if a boxer wins in a one sided decision with no action in the ring and punches thrown are way below the average at 135 lbs.

So I doubt that fighters are avoiding him, it's not his style are not tailor fit for anyone as again, he tends to be more defensive and doesn't want to engage and just waiting to counter his opponents. And I believed if Tank fight him next, Davis power will be to much for Shakur and he will suffer his first loss against Tank.

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