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What can you say about Junto Nakatani calling his fellow Japanese for a fight at 122 lbs?

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“I would like to unify the titles or move up to [122] to win the championship there,” he said. “The fight with [Naoya] Inoue is the one I really want. A lot of people are really expecting this fight. I will continue to get stronger and will be ready for that fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/junto-nakatani-targets-bantamweight-unification-calls-out-naoya-inoue--184934

He just knockout Vincent Astrolabio in round 1 with a body punch. So easy work for him and it's a embarrassment for Astrolabio who promise to bring the belt in the Philippines. It will be very attractive fight if Nakatani moves to 122 lbs and fight the Monster.

Or unify that 118 lbs belt, against Naoya's brother or the other Japanese champion in this division.
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I thought though that the proposal is Spence vs Ennis and not Crawford, but obviously I'm wrong here.

When money talks, they'll follow. So, if Crawford wants some good money, he should fight Ennis. Spence is no longer a popular boxer after losing to Crawford. He still needs to come back with a big win and maybe more fights before he can have a rematch or at least a big fight. Promoters are just trying to ensure some good profit here since they are paying big money for the boxers, so their plan should be followed as they are the capitalists of the fight.

Eventually, if Spence can come back strong, we might see a rematch between Crawford and Spence, which would be better than Crawford/Spence vs. Ennis, to be honest.

That's true they are after the money as they'll going to offer decent amount of paycheck for both fighters, if things materialized surely fans and gamblers will bite it and throw money for the fight, a win-win for both camps and the promoters side, though the decision will be on the side of Crawford since he's the one in top side and like what you said Spence after losing he's name is not on that same level of Crawford, though still going to depend from how fans will react and how the promoters will sell this news and earn support.


Crawford is not known to be a good PPV draw, so I guess it's his opportunity to grab the offer as the purse money is already ensured. It's not the US anymore, and we know that all or most of the big fights held in this country are really successful, and boxers are paid well. There's no reason for Crawford not to say yes, as he is at the top now, which means he can fight anyone, as long as the price is right.

And this boxers are demanding huge money, like Crawford, and even his manager Bob Arum says the Crawford is not a draw. But lately though with the involvement of the Saudi, which I think is just a experiment for them, it turns out to be a big success.

Now moving 2024, they have a lot of potential fights in the line, and would love to see Crawford going into Middle East as well as a crowd drawer and be paid handsomely like what he wanted. We will see him in August though for a 154 lbs fight and most likely as the Saudi said, if they will want to have him, Ennis will have to adjust and make the fight at Super Welterweight which I think he can make that weight easy.
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I thought though that the proposal is Spence vs Ennis and not Crawford, but obviously I'm wrong here.

When money talks, they'll follow. So, if Crawford wants some good money, he should fight Ennis. Spence is no longer a popular boxer after losing to Crawford. He still needs to come back with a big win and maybe more fights before he can have a rematch or at least a big fight. Promoters are just trying to ensure some good profit here since they are paying big money for the boxers, so their plan should be followed as they are the capitalists of the fight.

Eventually, if Spence can come back strong, we might see a rematch between Crawford and Spence, which would be better than Crawford/Spence vs. Ennis, to be honest.

That's true they are after the money as they'll going to offer decent amount of paycheck for both fighters, if things materialized surely fans and gamblers will bite it and throw money for the fight, a win-win for both camps and the promoters side, though the decision will be on the side of Crawford since he's the one in top side and like what you said Spence after losing he's name is not on that same level of Crawford, though still going to depend from how fans will react and how the promoters will sell this news and earn support.


Crawford is not known to be a good PPV draw, so I guess it's his opportunity to grab the offer as the purse money is already ensured. It's not the US anymore, and we know that all or most of the big fights held in this country are really successful, and boxers are paid well. There's no reason for Crawford not to say yes, as he is at the top now, which means he can fight anyone, as long as the price is right.
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I thought though that the proposal is Spence vs Ennis and not Crawford, but obviously I'm wrong here.

When money talks, they'll follow. So, if Crawford wants some good money, he should fight Ennis. Spence is no longer a popular boxer after losing to Crawford. He still needs to come back with a big win and maybe more fights before he can have a rematch or at least a big fight. Promoters are just trying to ensure some good profit here since they are paying big money for the boxers, so their plan should be followed as they are the capitalists of the fight.

Eventually, if Spence can come back strong, we might see a rematch between Crawford and Spence, which would be better than Crawford/Spence vs. Ennis, to be honest.

That's true they are after the money as they'll going to offer decent amount of paycheck for both fighters, if things materialized surely fans and gamblers will bite it and throw money for the fight, a win-win for both camps and the promoters side, though the decision will be on the side of Crawford since he's the one in top side and like what you said Spence after losing he's name is not on that same level of Crawford, though still going to depend from how fans will react and how the promoters will sell this news and earn support.

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I thought though that the proposal is Spence vs Ennis and not Crawford, but obviously I'm wrong here.

When money talks, they'll follow. So, if Crawford wants some good money, he should fight Ennis. Spence is no longer a popular boxer after losing to Crawford. He still needs to come back with a big win and maybe more fights before he can have a rematch or at least a big fight. Promoters are just trying to ensure some good profit here since they are paying big money for the boxers, so their plan should be followed as they are the capitalists of the fight.

Eventually, if Spence can come back strong, we might see a rematch between Crawford and Spence, which would be better than Crawford/Spence vs. Ennis, to be honest.
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^^ There's no question that HE Turki Alalshikh is willing to do that, shell out big money. They even mentioned that they are going to create somewhat of a big boxing league and potentially buy out the governing bodies and established like a UFC type of boxing events so that they can have total control and no one can duck anyone and we could be watching the fights that we wanted to see specially fighters are in their prime. So the ball will be on Spence, if he offered that money that he can't refused to fight Ennis in the Middle East for the 147 lbs belt. But obviously, the bigger fish for Ennis is Crawford as he is the undisputed champion but Ennis will have to wait. Crawford is still the man to beat and I doubt that in his last showing Ennis could win against Bud.

Time is running out for Ennis though, Crawford and Spence might go for a rematch at 154 lbs. It might be a win-win for Ennis as the 147 lbs belt are going to be open for everyone and there could be fighters from 140 lbs that will move up in weight.

As for the Saudi here is a good link to read: Turki Alalshikh Proposes Terence Crawford Vs. Jaron “Boots” Ennis At 154.

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His Excellency Turki Alalshikh has confirmed on X that he wants to make the fight between Terence Crawford and Jaron ”Boots’ Ennis at 154 “soon.”

And I think Ennis though will take this opportunity even it will be at 154 lbs. But really depends on how Crawford will react, I mean he could have his mind set on the rematch with Spence. But if we know that if the Saudi is involved, there is no problem with the money here.

I thought though that the proposal is Spence vs Ennis and not Crawford, but obviously I'm wrong here.

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^^ There's no question that HE Turki Alalshikh is willing to do that, shell out big money. They even mentioned that they are going to create somewhat of a big boxing league and potentially buy out the governing bodies and established like a UFC type of boxing events so that they can have total control and no one can duck anyone and we could be watching the fights that we wanted to see specially fighters are in their prime. So the ball will be on Spence, if he offered that money that he can't refused to fight Ennis in the Middle East for the 147 lbs belt. But obviously, the bigger fish for Ennis is Crawford as he is the undisputed champion but Ennis will have to wait. Crawford is still the man to beat and I doubt that in his last showing Ennis could win against Bud.
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The weigh-in for Ennis vs Avanesyan:



We will see this fight in the next couple of hours, both make the weight, Jaron Ennis is set to defend his IBF welterweight title.

David Avanesyan though is a 14:1 underdog here so expect Ennis to win and then still go after Spence or Crawford as this is still two of the biggest fight for him at 147 lbs. That is, if both of them are going to stay at that weight class, but it looks like they are not as Crawford will have a fight against Madrinov at 154 lbs.

Despite some ring rust, Ennis still dominated Avanesyan and forced his corner to stop the fight from the amount of punishment he was taking. Even if Boots had fought the original opponent, Cody Crowley, I think the outcome would have been the same. His matchmakers will have a hard time fighting an opponent who can be competitive against him. The elite names like Crawford don’t have any interest in facing him. We will have to settle for one-sided mismatches until he is given the opportunity to prove himself against the best.

And I don't think that though that he can beat either Spence or Crawford on this version of him against Avanesyan. He chooses to stay in the pocket, but if that is either Spence or Crawford, he will be hit hard and could be punished.

Obviously, he will change his style, but I don't think that he belongs to the elite though, he really need to work very hard and give us impressive wins. However, both of them might be moving to super Welterweight so I don't see him fighting either Spence or Crawford in the future.
I just go on my social media and there are speculations that the Saudis are very interested on putting up a Ennis vs Spence fight. If that will be the case then there's no more excuse for Spence not to give Ennis a crack at him as the money will be huge specially if this is what the Saudi's want. And it will still be good for both, they will cement their legacies not unless Spence is going to chase for Crawford at 154 lbs. For the win of Ennis, I think  Crawford has laid down the blue print already when they fought as he target the body of David first to soften him up before taking his head off and this is what Ennis this in this fight.

For what it's worth, it will really be a good fight, at 147 lbs, and yes, it that is, Spence is willing to stay. But if you look at Spence right now, he is is no hurry to make a comeback after that devastating lost he suffered from Crawford. It seems that he is taking his sweet time and if I'm not mistaken, it was said that he activated his rematch clause against Crawford.

But Crawford will have a fight in the next two weeks so maybe Spence is just waiting for that. However, it will be a question whether it will be in 147 lbs are Bud has move up already. Of if Crawford will totally vacated his belt and doesn't want to find Ennis or Spence at Welterweight.

So for the Saudi to make the fight, they will really have to shell out big money and make an offer that Spence will not refused to make the Ennis fight.
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The weigh-in for Ennis vs Avanesyan:



We will see this fight in the next couple of hours, both make the weight, Jaron Ennis is set to defend his IBF welterweight title.

David Avanesyan though is a 14:1 underdog here so expect Ennis to win and then still go after Spence or Crawford as this is still two of the biggest fight for him at 147 lbs. That is, if both of them are going to stay at that weight class, but it looks like they are not as Crawford will have a fight against Madrinov at 154 lbs.

Despite some ring rust, Ennis still dominated Avanesyan and forced his corner to stop the fight from the amount of punishment he was taking. Even if Boots had fought the original opponent, Cody Crowley, I think the outcome would have been the same. His matchmakers will have a hard time fighting an opponent who can be competitive against him. The elite names like Crawford don’t have any interest in facing him. We will have to settle for one-sided mismatches until he is given the opportunity to prove himself against the best.

And I don't think that though that he can beat either Spence or Crawford on this version of him against Avanesyan. He chooses to stay in the pocket, but if that is either Spence or Crawford, he will be hit hard and could be punished.

Obviously, he will change his style, but I don't think that he belongs to the elite though, he really need to work very hard and give us impressive wins. However, both of them might be moving to super Welterweight so I don't see him fighting either Spence or Crawford in the future.
I just go on my social media and there are speculations that the Saudis are very interested on putting up a Ennis vs Spence fight. If that will be the case then there's no more excuse for Spence not to give Ennis a crack at him as the money will be huge specially if this is what the Saudi's want. And it will still be good for both, they will cement their legacies not unless Spence is going to chase for Crawford at 154 lbs. For the win of Ennis, I think  Crawford has laid down the blue print already when they fought as he target the body of David first to soften him up before taking his head off and this is what Ennis this in this fight.
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The weigh-in for Ennis vs Avanesyan:



We will see this fight in the next couple of hours, both make the weight, Jaron Ennis is set to defend his IBF welterweight title.

David Avanesyan though is a 14:1 underdog here so expect Ennis to win and then still go after Spence or Crawford as this is still two of the biggest fight for him at 147 lbs. That is, if both of them are going to stay at that weight class, but it looks like they are not as Crawford will have a fight against Madrinov at 154 lbs.

Despite some ring rust, Ennis still dominated Avanesyan and forced his corner to stop the fight from the amount of punishment he was taking. Even if Boots had fought the original opponent, Cody Crowley, I think the outcome would have been the same. His matchmakers will have a hard time fighting an opponent who can be competitive against him. The elite names like Crawford don’t have any interest in facing him. We will have to settle for one-sided mismatches until he is given the opportunity to prove himself against the best.

And I don't think that though that he can beat either Spence or Crawford on this version of him against Avanesyan. He chooses to stay in the pocket, but if that is either Spence or Crawford, he will be hit hard and could be punished.

Obviously, he will change his style, but I don't think that he belongs to the elite though, he really need to work very hard and give us impressive wins. However, both of them might be moving to super Welterweight so I don't see him fighting either Spence or Crawford in the future.
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The weigh-in for Ennis vs Avanesyan:



We will see this fight in the next couple of hours, both make the weight, Jaron Ennis is set to defend his IBF welterweight title.

David Avanesyan though is a 14:1 underdog here so expect Ennis to win and then still go after Spence or Crawford as this is still two of the biggest fight for him at 147 lbs. That is, if both of them are going to stay at that weight class, but it looks like they are not as Crawford will have a fight against Madrinov at 154 lbs.

Despite some ring rust, Ennis still dominated Avanesyan and forced his corner to stop the fight from the amount of punishment he was taking. Even if Boots had fought the original opponent, Cody Crowley, I think the outcome would have been the same. His matchmakers will have a hard time fighting an opponent who can be competitive against him. The elite names like Crawford don’t have any interest in facing him. We will have to settle for one-sided mismatches until he is given the opportunity to prove himself against the best.
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The weigh-in for Ennis vs Avanesyan:



We will see this fight in the next couple of hours, both make the weight, Jaron Ennis is set to defend his IBF welterweight title.

David Avanesyan though is a 14:1 underdog here so expect Ennis to win and then still go after Spence or Crawford as this is still two of the biggest fight for him at 147 lbs. That is, if both of them are going to stay at that weight class, but it looks like they are not as Crawford will have a fight against Madrinov at 154 lbs.
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Funny this is, after he was announced the winner, he wear this t-shirt.
https://x.com/Gametimeguru1/status/1809809127553507706
I don't think that Shakur though could win against Loma even if Loma is old. Shakur might be too technical, but Loma has fought a lot of fighters in his resume that tends to be tactical, but they say No Mas to him.

It will be Loma vs Tank first and so Shakur will have to wait if the winner is willing to face him because his style is boring.

Shakur is the very definition of being all bark and no bite. He may act tough on social media but when he is inside of the ring, he couldn’t even hurt a fly. He is not entitled to a Loma fight. Now that he is a free agent, Top Rank has no obligation to match him against one of their most marketable and exciting fighters. From a business perspective it is better for Loma to fight Tank.

Promoters will only pursue a match if they are seeing good money out of it. And since he is a free agent now, hard for him to push thru the fight he wants. Unless, boxing fans are calling for it and they see a huge demand for the fight. Otherwise, he needs a very good convincing power from the boxing world to get a very good fight.

nowadays fights are no longer limited to just inside the ring, nowadays fighters make an effort to make scandals that will get a lot of attention and fans and fighters are starting to carry out campaigns to have more big fights. in each fight, the fighters create more confusion before the fights to generate more attention, this has become a form of fighting outside the ring.

Fighters who cannot have these ideas that they have to create uncomfortable situations before a fight to generate a lot of people's attention, risk having a fight and being forgotten. Unfortunately, many fighters have exaggerated this type of marketing: " creating problems to attract attention ", just look at the case of Ryan Garcia, who is constantly in the media for unnecessary reasons, and is always involved in controversies. I see Shakur Stevenson as moderate when it comes to not getting involved in too many controversies, unfortunately this can also make him not get much attention.



source: https://x.com/ShakurStevenson/status/1811955755068653886

Some people made funny comments on his post, it seems like they don't have high expectations
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News update.

It appears that negotiations for Loma vs. the scammer Tank Davis has begin! This is confirmed by Bob Arum. This is also quite shocking because it appears uncle Bob is changing his tactics on creating fights. Did he not like creating superfights before? I might be mistaken, however, I reckon he will only do this rarely. Has he learned something after Bud Crawford left Top Rank?

In any case, I wish that Loma will not agree to Tanks's rehydration clauses.



Top Rank promoter Bob Arum states the Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis vs. Vasily Lomachenko lightweight unification fight is in the works for November in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand or T-Mobile Arena.

Arum says Carl Moretti of Top Rank is negotiating with Luis Decubas to make the Tank vs. Lomachenko fight happen in November in Las Vegas, provided they can hammer out a deal.


Source https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/arum-confirms-tank-davis-vs-lomachenko-fight-in-the-works-for-november-in-las-vegas/280359

It's probably what they could have verbally agreed upon, Tank winning his fight against Martin and then Loma getting a win and a belt against Kambosos. And probably this is a way for Bob to rub it in to Shakur as Stevenson openly said that he wont' sign back with Top Rank.

So Shakur will have to wait first a little longer before he can either face the winner.

I don't think that rehydration clause could be an issue, Loma is not that big for 135 lbs, and this is his comfortable weight. Maybe the size of the ring though or even the size of their gloves or what gloves they are going to used as Tank is a knockout artist.

But yes, Arum already confirmed the news right away after Tank won against Frank. So let's wait if this is going to be official in the next coming weeks or months.
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News update.

It appears that negotiations for Loma vs. the scammer Tank Davis has begin! This is confirmed by Bob Arum. This is also quite shocking because it appears uncle Bob is changing his tactics on creating fights. Did he not like creating superfights before? I might be mistaken, however, I reckon he will only do this rarely. Has he learned something after Bud Crawford left Top Rank?

In any case, I wish that Loma will not agree to Tanks's rehydration clauses.



Top Rank promoter Bob Arum states the Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis vs. Vasily Lomachenko lightweight unification fight is in the works for November in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand or T-Mobile Arena.

Arum says Carl Moretti of Top Rank is negotiating with Luis Decubas to make the Tank vs. Lomachenko fight happen in November in Las Vegas, provided they can hammer out a deal.


Source https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/arum-confirms-tank-davis-vs-lomachenko-fight-in-the-works-for-november-in-las-vegas/280359
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So at least Manny can at least breath a sigh of relived as he won't pay $5 million to PSM because of the breach of contract. But just imagine though if the fight happens back then, Connor could have another biggest paycheck and it could break his record with Floyd in terms of PPV numbers.
That's good for him. This case was long over due and I just remembered it by now after reading the update.

It's a lot of money if it will go to punishment. The MVP here is Pacquiao's legal counsel and was able to convince the judge to reverse the verdict and vacate the first one.

Pacquiao did really saved more money than paying the penalty.
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Just an update on the Manny Pacquiao case against  PSM,

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Reports mushroomed back then that PSM was setting up a Pacquiao-McGregor mega match, but this did not come into fruition when McGregor was knocked out by Dustin Poirier in January 2021.

Pacquiao proceeded to fight Cuban Yordenis Ugas in August 2021 for another promotional banner. This drew the ire of PSM and a lawsuit was filed against Pacquiao.

PSM accused Pacquiao of not disclosing other agreements he had signed before he inked a deal with PSM.

In May 2023, a California jury (Superior Court of Orange County, California) ruled in favor of PSM.

Pacquiao's team sought declaratory relief from the judgment. In a stunning reversal, California Superior Court Judge Walter P. Schwarm vacated the earlier verdict against Pacquiao.

The previous verdict was vacated because it was established that PSM was not properly licensed in California to act as manager as required by state law.

The California Business and Professions Code requires a license for a person to participate in any contest or service as agent, manager, trainer or second.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/other/big-win-for-pacquiao/ar-BB1pOFG8?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=NMTS&cvid=159fe1bca752478d8e54f61373ad5e4b&ei=32

So at least Manny can at least breath a sigh of relived as he won't pay $5 million to PSM because of the breach of contract. But just imagine though if the fight happens back then, Connor could have another biggest paycheck and it could break his record with Floyd in terms of PPV numbers.
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And then there are more drama, as it was reported:

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Ryan Garcia apparently broke inside the house he lived in with his ex is to see his kids and went on to destroy the place

https://x.com/oocmma/status/1810884944496824378

And there is also this this news that he is texting a underage girl, not really sure what's going on with Ryan's life, but obviously, it has took a toll on him with regards to his suspension I guess. I thought that he can handle it well, but with so much on what's going on in his life with the divorce and other personal stuff, his like is going on a downward spiral.

It seems like his mental problems got worse after what happened in Haney's fight. He was suspended, and I don't know when he'll be able to come back. So most of his time is probably spent going out with his friends and doing some stupid things, including this one. Ryan wasted his talent if he ends up going to jail. What's the use of his money if his freedom will be taken from him?

It's not good news when it already involves abuse of a woman, and now this new rumor that he is texting a minor? For real?

It is not good news definitely, Ryan is old enough to know what he is doing is wrong and no one is above the law here. It's really ironic as well that he praises God when he will be interviewed before and after the fight but then his actions are totally different on what he says.

So by now we really know that he is mentally unstable, it could be because of the success that he had or this is really in-born that he has personality disorder that was not check and as he grew, this illness takes it's shape and form in Ryan. And I do agree that it will really ruin everything for him unless he straighten things up and just be sober because I think his under the influence of something when he did this disgusting actions.
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Funny this is, after he was announced the winner, he wear this t-shirt.
https://x.com/Gametimeguru1/status/1809809127553507706
I don't think that Shakur though could win against Loma even if Loma is old. Shakur might be too technical, but Loma has fought a lot of fighters in his resume that tends to be tactical, but they say No Mas to him.

It will be Loma vs Tank first and so Shakur will have to wait if the winner is willing to face him because his style is boring.

Shakur is the very definition of being all bark and no bite. He may act tough on social media but when he is inside of the ring, he couldn’t even hurt a fly. He is not entitled to a Loma fight. Now that he is a free agent, Top Rank has no obligation to match him against one of their most marketable and exciting fighters. From a business perspective it is better for Loma to fight Tank.

Promoters will only pursue a match if they are seeing good money out of it. And since he is a free agent now, hard for him to push thru the fight he wants. Unless, boxing fans are calling for it and they see a huge demand for the fight. Otherwise, he needs a very good convincing power from the boxing world to get a very good fight.

Indeed, he needs that push to gain the attention else, since that he doesn't have any good back up then there's nothing for him, seeing him fighting brings boredom for those live viewers, unless there's a big call from another good opponents that he will accept and the fans will react greatly, anyway he can use the influence of social media to create noise for his name, let see if how him and his camp will find that good money making fight that he'll earn a lot.
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And then there are more drama, as it was reported:

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Ryan Garcia apparently broke inside the house he lived in with his ex is to see his kids and went on to destroy the place

https://x.com/oocmma/status/1810884944496824378

And there is also this this news that he is texting a underage girl, not really sure what's going on with Ryan's life, but obviously, it has took a toll on him with regards to his suspension I guess. I thought that he can handle it well, but with so much on what's going on in his life with the divorce and other personal stuff, his like is going on a downward spiral.

It seems like his mental problems got worse after what happened in Haney's fight. He was suspended, and I don't know when he'll be able to come back. So most of his time is probably spent going out with his friends and doing some stupid things, including this one. Ryan wasted his talent if he ends up going to jail. What's the use of his money if his freedom will be taken from him?

It's not good news when it already involves abuse of a woman, and now this new rumor that he is texting a minor? For real?
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