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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

I guess they still given preferential treatment to Canelo as this point in time. He had decline already and as you have said, cherry picking his fight after his lost to Bivol.  I like Bam Rodriguez and it seems to be that his could be the one to break the monopoly of Japanese fighters in the lower rank right now.

As for Haney, yes, he could not be in the top 10. But it seems that we have the weakest of the champions right now, they don't even include 140 lbs like Teo Lopez or even Pitbull Cruz to represent that weight class.

Canelo is more for the money, he's taking his time knowing that he's no longer on his prime so cherry picking his next opponents just to secure decent profits, though he still got that fame especialy from those who organize this kind of listing, but in terms of capabilities he might lose if he will take the challenge from a fighter who can compete the he did, after that fight against Bivol when he see that his tactics is no longer effective he just quitely observing and waiting for good offer with secure benefits.

Yes, that is very clear since he lost to Bivol, he should have lost to GGG though. But now since Canelo is getting old, for sure his adviser is telling him to carefully select an opponent that will not be a treat or very easy fight. Now fighting Berlanga next this September and most like he will be getting the bigger purse split again.

No denying though that even if Canelo is declining, still other boxer sees him as the cash cow and so they are willing to fight even if the purse split favors Canelo. After all if they upset him, it will be a good stepping stone for them just like what Bivol is right now.

And talking about Canelo, David Morrell, will also be moving up at 175 lbs to face Radivoje Kalajdzic on the pay-per-view undercard of Israil Madrimov vs. Terence Crawford. It another fighter at 168 lbs that Canelo doesn't want to fight.
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I don't know if it has much to do with the topic of boxing but it's more Olympic but I find what happened with the Algerian athlete really in bad taste and I think that my bet fell through precisely because she didn't want to fight, I don't know if I The choice of retiring seems very right

Tell me more about this boxer.

I haven't really followed the boxing fights in the Olympics, but I read there are boxers in the women's division complaining about the organizers allowing a transgender to participate, and they are dominating now. Does that issue fall into that category?

And another girl in question has won her match as Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting beat Sitora Turdibekova. And I think you are referring to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif who beat Angela Carin. And according to Angela, she quit because she can't take it anymore as Khelif, quitting in just 46 seconds.

So this is really controversial decision from IOC to let both boxers to compete because of some gender issues or testing. And it's more from that, I mean they are ban by IBA, however IOC stripped of responsibility from this year's Olympics that's why the two female boxers are allowed to compete now.
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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

I guess they still given preferential treatment to Canelo as this point in time. He had decline already and as you have said, cherry picking his fight after his lost to Bivol.  I like Bam Rodriguez and it seems to be that his could be the one to break the monopoly of Japanese fighters in the lower rank right now.

As for Haney, yes, he could not be in the top 10. But it seems that we have the weakest of the champions right now, they don't even include 140 lbs like Teo Lopez or even Pitbull Cruz to represent that weight class.

Canelo is more for the money, he's taking his time knowing that he's no longer on his prime so cherry picking his next opponents just to secure decent profits, though he still got that fame especialy from those who organize this kind of listing, but in terms of capabilities he might lose if he will take the challenge from a fighter who can compete the he did, after that fight against Bivol when he see that his tactics is no longer effective he just quitely observing and waiting for good offer with secure benefits.

Yes, it's all for the money for Canelo now, he had a fight with Berlanga and if he gets pass him for sure he will be looking for Crawford. Crawford is a brand ambassador for HE His Turki Alalshikh. And so Canelo is banking that they are going to make that fight happen and give him what he is asking for.

Crawford will have a fight with Madrimov at 154 lbs, so this is a great start for him. If he shows and knockout Madrimov here, then there will be hype on Canelo and him fighting as he might call out Canelo post fight interview.
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I don't know if it has much to do with the topic of boxing but it's more Olympic but I find what happened with the Algerian athlete really in bad taste and I think that my bet fell through precisely because she didn't want to fight, I don't know if I The choice of retiring seems very right
Tell me more about this boxer.

I haven't really followed the boxing fights in the Olympics, but I read there are boxers in the women's division complaining about the organizers allowing a transgender to participate, and they are dominating now. Does that issue fall into that category?
What being talked about about Imane Khelif?
She was indeed accused of being transgender but that was only proven because the basic testosterone hormone she had was so high like man, there was nothing else that could state about this accusation and even called woman who was born with high testosterone levels.
It is difficult to be able to confirm everything more clearly and last year Imane Khelif when she participated in the 2023 World Boxing Championship was banned from fighting in the final and that was all because of the provisions and regulations of the International Boxing Association (IBA).
But for the 2024 Olympics she became one of the legitimate boxers and could continue her struggle to win the gold medal, maybe for some championships in the international boxing association she will get ban like last year.
I don't know what really happened but if it is proven, the certainty of whether she is real woman or transgender will definitely be known sooner or later in the future.
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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

I guess they still given preferential treatment to Canelo as this point in time. He had decline already and as you have said, cherry picking his fight after his lost to Bivol.  I like Bam Rodriguez and it seems to be that his could be the one to break the monopoly of Japanese fighters in the lower rank right now.

As for Haney, yes, he could not be in the top 10. But it seems that we have the weakest of the champions right now, they don't even include 140 lbs like Teo Lopez or even Pitbull Cruz to represent that weight class.

Canelo is more for the money, he's taking his time knowing that he's no longer on his prime so cherry picking his next opponents just to secure decent profits, though he still got that fame especialy from those who organize this kind of listing, but in terms of capabilities he might lose if he will take the challenge from a fighter who can compete the he did, after that fight against Bivol when he see that his tactics is no longer effective he just quitely observing and waiting for good offer with secure benefits.
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I don't know if it has much to do with the topic of boxing but it's more Olympic but I find what happened with the Algerian athlete really in bad taste and I think that my bet fell through precisely because she didn't want to fight, I don't know if I The choice of retiring seems very right

Tell me more about this boxer.

I haven't really followed the boxing fights in the Olympics, but I read there are boxers in the women's division complaining about the organizers allowing a transgender to participate, and they are dominating now. Does that issue fall into that category?
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I don't know if it has much to do with the topic of boxing but it's more Olympic but I find what happened with the Algerian athlete really in bad taste and I think that my bet fell through precisely because she didn't want to fight, I don't know if I The choice of retiring seems very right
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@Kemarit. Agreed! My list would be Usyk, Crawford then Inoue on the 3rd slot. However, Inoue has a very good chance to become no.1 within 4 years if he chooses the correct opponents. He cannot do this by choosing opponents similar to TJ Doheny hehehe.

On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.

Inoue has a clear path to become number 1, he had clean up the bantam and super bantamweight already. And if goes up to featherweight and win undisputed that will be the first time that we will see a fighter in modern belt era to do that.

Crawford though will be ahead of him again at he will go and fight Madrimov and chances are very high that he will win a new belt at a new division. But going undisputed? I don't think that Crawford has enough time though, he might be looking for many fights after his win against Madrimov and no longer looking for just belts as his legacy is already cemented.
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On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.

I'm not sure what the legal team of Dana will do though if they are the one who handle the case of Ryan Garcia. We don't know that names of them, but perhaps they have a lot of experience with this and representing UFC fighters caught with illegal substance in their body.

I don't agree to Haney being in there, if only he handles well on his defeat to Ryan Garcia, maybe there is a chance that i would agree that he could be in the top 10. Crying as if somebody took his candy makes Devin Haney looks amateur. I don't if could come back in the ring sooner but one thing is for sure, he will not be same before he fought Ryan Garcia.

Same here, I don't think he deserves to be in this list. But I guess there are no other boxers right now that might take his spot. I was even surprised to see Nakatani on the strength of his win against Astrolabio with a one punch body punch and in just one round. But for the best 3 pound for pound right now, there is no question about it. They are all undisputed and hasn't lost any in their fights.
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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

I guess they still given preferential treatment to Canelo as this point in time. He had decline already and as you have said, cherry picking his fight after his lost to Bivol.  I like Bam Rodriguez and it seems to be that his could be the one to break the monopoly of Japanese fighters in the lower rank right now.

As for Haney, yes, he could not be in the top 10. But it seems that we have the weakest of the champions right now, they don't even include 140 lbs like Teo Lopez or even Pitbull Cruz to represent that weight class.
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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.
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In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

I don't agree to Haney being in there, if only he handles well on his defeat to Ryan Garcia, maybe there is a chance that i would agree that he could be in the top 10. Crying as if somebody took his candy makes Devin Haney looks amateur. I don't if could come back in the ring sooner but one thing is for sure, he will not be same before he fought Ryan Garcia.
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@Kemarit. Agreed! My list would be Usyk, Crawford then Inoue on the 3rd slot. However, Inoue has a very good chance to become no.1 within 4 years if he chooses the correct opponents. He cannot do this by choosing opponents similar to TJ Doheny hehehe.

On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.
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^^ Any of the top 3 can be interchangeable, in my opinion, Inoue becoming a 2 time undisputed champion and so is Crawford. And then Usyk becoming the undisputed champion in HW. Crawford has a upcoming fight at 154 lbs so he might be go up as high as number 1 if he knockout Madrimov in his new division.

Not sure about Haney getting into the top 10, he just lost to Ryan Garcia isn't it? Although Ryan has been allege to have used PEDS, but still he was completely outclassed and dominated by Ryan. I'm still thinking though who could have been in 10th spot. Shakur? but he is boring, but so is Haney as well. And so it just shows that this pound for pound ranking is full of s**t.
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@Jating. I am quite certain that Freddie Roach and Pacman's most trusted team members have known of this injury on his shoulder. I am also quite certain Freddie Roach has given him the advice to postpone the fight. However this Mayweather, who is very much similar to the scammer Tank, they can use tactics to trick Pacman that the fight might not be organized anymore if this is postponed again. I reckon there was 2 postponements the have occurred already before Pacman agreed to fight with an injury. Floyd knew it was his chance to win against a legend very easily.

For sure, they have known the extend of Pacquiao's injury, but it was only Manny that can decide whether to continue the fight or not. And so his decision is to go and not to postponed the fight for another months. It could be that Floyd trick him, but in any case, the decision is totally on Manny to go on with that fight and probably he thinks that he can still win.

In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.
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@Jating. I am quite certain that Freddie Roach and Pacman's most trusted team members have known of this injury on his shoulder. I am also quite certain Freddie Roach has given him the advice to postpone the fight. However this Mayweather, who is very much similar to the scammer Tank, they can use tactics to trick Pacman that the fight might not be organized anymore if this is postponed again. I reckon there was 2 postponements the have occurred already before Pacman agreed to fight with an injury. Floyd knew it was his chance to win against a legend very easily.
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@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That fight in my opinion should have happened much earlier, Pacman was already a damage good already, he had many lost and probably his shoulder injury have been the result of wear and tear already. So even if it healed or he didn't suffer any, and even if we see the full power of Pacman, I don't think it will enough to pull an upset.

Floyd Mayweather is one of the most defensive fighter we have seen in the last century so even a not hurt Pacman, 100% could do damage Floyd. And the closest that we can see them fight again is in exhibition. However, Pacman doesn't look good against Anpo last night, and so Floyd is going to win in the exhibition match, I reckon.

Agreed that the fight should have happened earlier. However, I very much argue that Pacman would certainly have a better performance against Floydy if Pacman has given his body to rest and let the doctors fix his injury. We have witnessed this already on Pacman's fight against Keith Thurman. Everyone speculated that Pacman has left the ring very long, however, this long absence also gave his old body much rest.

Yeah, this is just one of the "what if" in boxing, a healthy and 100% Pacquiao against a prime version of Floyd Mayweather, didn't happen as Pacquiao had a serious shoulder injury that he didn't disclosed maybe to some close individuals and advise him to take a rest or go seek medical attention before going for the fight of the century. So he will really regret and as fans we really don't know if he can beat Floyd with his power.

Not only Nakatani did sign with Top Rank, but there is also Jaime Munguia after being promoted by many years by Oscar, also move to Bob Arum and he will be fighting Erik Bazinyan on Sept. 20 in the Phoenix area. So that is a change for Munguia now, and perhaps after this one, it will be Berlanga vs Munguia. Berlanga though has a scheduled fight with Canelo first so maybe at the start of next year, we might see this two going up against each other.
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Speaking of Nakatani, Top Rank announces co-promotional deal with WBC champ Junto Nakatani. So it looks like he is following Inoue's path here, to work with Top Rank and then maybe he will get what he wishes for. Fight Naoya Inoue or if he is not yet available, maybe a unification fight with Takuma Inoue. So this is a good move by him and his handler to be able to have co-promotional deal with Bob Arum. And who knows, maybe he can travel to the USA and show his talent there instead of just fighting inside Japan. The Japanese is clearly dominating the lower division now, but it will be really interested for boxing fans if they are going to USA to defend their belts.
What is clear is that his age is still very supportive for his career as great boxer, if there is determination and goal to achieve greater achievements then it can be done in the next few years, it just not yet clear what Nakatani will do next.
If from now on he starts to increase his weight and really trains hard then in the next two or three years Nakatani can be ready enough to face the monster, but that if Inoue doesn't go to higher class because we all know that Inoue definitely do it.
Yes Takuma Inoue could be the next close opponent, we see what he does next but it very good choice to start more brilliant career for Nakatani.
As predicted by Bob Arum, if Nakatani is Inoue successor in the future, his potential is really visible and he has very good opportunity, I sure that Bob Arum will bring Nakatani to reach the peak of his glory days.
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@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That fight in my opinion should have happened much earlier, Pacman was already a damage good already, he had many lost and probably his shoulder injury have been the result of wear and tear already. So even if it healed or he didn't suffer any, and even if we see the full power of Pacman, I don't think it will enough to pull an upset.

Floyd Mayweather is one of the most defensive fighter we have seen in the last century so even a not hurt Pacman, 100% could do damage Floyd. And the closest that we can see them fight again is in exhibition. However, Pacman doesn't look good against Anpo last night, and so Floyd is going to win in the exhibition match, I reckon.

Agreed that the fight should have happened earlier. However, I very much argue that Pacman would certainly have a better performance against Floydy if Pacman has given his body to rest and let the doctors fix his injury. We have witnessed this already on Pacman's fight against Keith Thurman. Everyone speculated that Pacman has left the ring very long, however, this long absence also gave his old body much rest.
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In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That is subjective though, we really don't know if Pacman can beat Floyd even if he is 100%. Many of us will think that he can, hand speed and power and the volume. But we have seen in the fight that Floyd is not damage although Pacman had some rounds that he won and he clip Floyd.

So it's very hard to answer, maybe if we see a version of Pacman like in the Cotto fight against the defensive version of Floyd? Who knows. It's just very unfortunate that after the fight, it's only the Pacman reveals that he has a injured shoulder.
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