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February 20, 2024, 12:05:02 PM
They should really forced Canelo to fight Benavidez if they see him as their interim belt holder.

But Alas, they won't do that, they will let Canelo off the hook and they can do whatever they want as long as the Sulaiman's is still in the WBC.

They will only push that fight if they know Canelo will win easily since this has no assurance, they will just further delay it and brainwash the fans with some other opponents which is not gonna work since everyone in the boxing industry knows already what they are cooking. Unlike before, whenever there is a fighter that could give them a challenging fight, they will quickly fix everything until they make the fight happen as soon as possible because no one wants to delay such a historical fight but today, we always see such kind of thing whenever there is a boxer that could potentially beat them, they avoid them until they became old or no longer have the same skills as he used to be and then they accept the offer.
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February 20, 2024, 11:30:31 AM
Anthony Joshua versus Francis Ngannou in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is getting close (March 8 ) but we have a good boxing fight on March 2.

Amanda Serrano versus Nina Meinke - IBF, WBO, and WBA Featherweight Women Titles are on the line.
It will be held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/108730-serrano-vs-meinke
Jake Paul versus Ryan Bourland will be the Co-main event.
I don't know why Jake Paul is listed here because this is not an entertainment match, but I guess he needs to be serious here. This isn't acting anymore.
But I guess he will win this. Why? Ryan Bourland last fought in September 2022. And before that, his last fight was in October 2018. This is a damn inactive boxer and it will be a damn shame if Paul will be defeated in this fight.

My pick on the main event will be Amanda Serrano. Big fan. Even at the age of 35 years old, I bet she still has the strength to defeat the younger 30-year-old boxer Nina Meinke.
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February 20, 2024, 09:45:52 AM
@inthelongrun - I do agree, I don't know how this boxing organizations specially WBC designated this belt for this champion as there are a lot. They even have, champion in recess, what the hell is that?

They should really forced Canelo to fight Benavidez if they see him as their interim belt holder.

But Alas, they won't do that, they will let Canelo off the hook and they can do whatever they want as long as the Sulaiman's is still in the WBC.
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February 20, 2024, 05:59:42 AM
I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.

The problem with Benavidez is he is only a mandatory. He doesn't bring anything beneficial to Canelo. He's like a super high risk with a decent reward that is not so high. I think Canelo just went the Mayweather way. Floyd was old at that time but he demanded a catchweight against a green 23-year-old Canelo.

I thought Benavidez is the WBC interim super middleweight champion when he beat Lemieux in 2023, then defeated Caleb Plant and Andrade to retain that belt. So him and Canelo should really fight as Canelo held the regular WBC belt.

The WBC interim is a garbage belt along with the other interim belts from the other sanctioning bodies including the WBA regular belt. They don't count as real titles. Canelo gets nothing fighting Benavidez.

But Benavidez deserves a title shot because he is the supposed mandatory of the WBC. The only way for Canelo to not get stripped is to fight him but the WBC is very corrupt. Instead, the WBC issued an interim belt which is nonsense because Canelo is not injured and is active.

Everybody's praising Benavidez but I also feel something for this guy. I believe he will also start ducking once he becomes the top dog. It's because he canceled his fight with fellow prospect and undefeated David Morrell in favor of an old and inactive Andrade. If Benavidez won, he could've become not just the WBC mandatory but also in the WBA since Morrell holds that right.

It is reported that it was Morrell who didn't want to fight or at least that was Benavidez Sr said that Morrell is not ready and so they they go on and fight Andrade. They still insists though that they are willing to fight him next. But obviously, for a more lucrative fight, they are targeting Canelo and I think most of us here wanted to see that fight. Mexican vs Mexican.

Well, that's the excuse of the Benavidez family. In fairness, Andrade is a much easier and financially better opponent than the very dangerous and hungry David Morrell. But they should realize that Canelo can also make the same excuse.
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February 20, 2024, 01:20:21 AM
^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.

He's using his popularity to earn more money. As you mentioned, he's no longer that dominant the way he was before. He knew that after that loss against Bivol he's been exposed and the chance of losing is no longer impossible. Now, he's using all the possible excuses just to escape and prevent what fans wanted from him. Benavidez is the best pick and, for sure, fans love to see Alvarez proving his dominance, but it's not what we are seeing and hearing from Canelo's camp, excuses, and they are doing their best not to give Benavidez a chance.

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

That's the best thing for him to do to gain more popularity, but that means climbing up again in weight, which he failed against Bivol. If Beterbiev wins here via KO, that means he is too much for Bivol, and I don't know if it's wise for Canelo to challenge the boxer that defeated the boxer who defeated him.

Canelo has never been KO'd in his career as a boxer, and maybe that will be the time that he'll suffer his worst defeat at the hands of Beterbiev, who is a 100% KO artist. I'm not sure he is up for that challenge as his legacy is also at stake big time.

If the outcome turned against him, it might be a worse decision that he take instead of keeping his legacy, by that kind of loss it will bring his name down, though, that's a kind of risk that may give him more popularity as if by chance he beat the champ who beats him from the said division, he will gain more and will be added to his resume of success.
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February 19, 2024, 11:06:09 AM
Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

That's the best thing for him to do to gain more popularity, but that means climbing up again in weight, which he failed against Bivol. If Beterbiev wins here via KO, that means he is too much for Bivol, and I don't know if it's wise for Canelo to challenge the boxer that defeated the boxer who defeated him.

Canelo has never been KO'd in his career as a boxer, and maybe that will be the time that he'll suffer his worst defeat at the hands of Beterbiev, who is a 100% KO artist. I'm not sure he is up for that challenge as his legacy is also at stake big time.
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February 19, 2024, 10:45:45 AM
^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.
Canelo had cemented his place among the greats. Maybe this is the explanation he is selecting to battle the safer boxers. I am certain he took some lessons from his previous experiences and boxers like Mayweather. The manner in which Mayweather safeguarded his 0 and picked soft boxers.

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.
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February 19, 2024, 07:55:52 AM
^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.
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February 19, 2024, 07:49:32 AM
Ideal yes, but Canelo as we have been saying, is hiding on the reason that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican, so strike it out, Munguia and Benavidez. Charlo though trying to deny for now that he will be the next opponent, so if not him and not Crawford, who will be?

Bivol will have his fight already against Beterbiev, and so he is also out of the equation, and if we look at the champions at 168 lbs, David Morrell is the only one for him. Unless he is willing to fight the number 1 rank in two divisions its, Christian Mbilli. But who the hell is Mbilli? He is not American, not Mexican but a French fighter.

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.

Yes, I do agree his record is good, but it's a question on how they can market him in the US, or what will be the storyline for him to fight Canelo, as fans might think that this is just another John Ryder performance for Canelo.

Right, we all get the clear picture after that announcement of Canelo that Benavidez is not on his time table for at least this year. Benavidez could go to Light HW, but I think he is hell bent and his father to fight Canelo, biggest paycheck and the chance to upset and get all his belt and maybe sort of like passing the torch for him to be the next big thing in boxing.

All going to depend with how Canelo will give him that chance, but we all know that there's no interest from Canelo's camp and they are really avoiding him, maybe if there's really something that may force Canelo more on the money on the line it might change the direction but till this date, there's no plan or no update from Canelo's camp to give Benavidez that chance to meet him inside the ring.

Canelo as the cashcow promoters will follow his desire and if he doesn't want to take the fight then there's nothing the promoter can do to force him. That's how business works and that's the edge from a cashcow like Canelo.
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February 19, 2024, 07:45:19 AM
I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.

The problem with Benavidez is he is only a mandatory. He doesn't bring anything beneficial to Canelo. He's like a super high risk with a decent reward that is not so high. I think Canelo just went the Mayweather way. Floyd was old at that time but he demanded a catchweight against a green 23-year-old Canelo.

I thought Benavidez is the WBC interim super middleweight champion when he beat Lemieux in 2023, then defeated Caleb Plant and Andrade to retain that belt. So him and Canelo should really fight as Canelo held the regular WBC belt.

Everybody's praising Benavidez but I also feel something for this guy. I believe he will also start ducking once he becomes the top dog. It's because he canceled his fight with fellow prospect and undefeated David Morrell in favor of an old and inactive Andrade. If Benavidez won, he could've become not just the WBC mandatory but also in the WBA since Morrell holds that right.

It is reported that it was Morrell who didn't want to fight or at least that was Benavidez Sr said that Morrell is not ready and so they they go on and fight Andrade. They still insists though that they are willing to fight him next. But obviously, for a more lucrative fight, they are targeting Canelo and I think most of us here wanted to see that fight. Mexican vs Mexican.

Earlier Canelo said he is facing an American next which means not Mungia. Thought it was either Bud or maybe Jermall. But just lately, he denied Crawford saying he does not want the fans to say he beat a smaller guy who moved up 3 divisions. So I guess it is Jermall against Canelo this Cinco De Mayo. Revenge of the twin will be the theme. Cheesy

I agree, regardless of who is Canelo facing next, they will have to go up 2-3 weight classes and fight him as his comfort zone of 168 lbs. I'm not sure if intelligent boxing fans are going to fall for the revenge story board. Canelo should have known better to put that kind of promotion.
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February 19, 2024, 03:59:23 AM
~snip~

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.
M'billi is boxer who has the nickname the undefeated knockout king because in total of 26 fights he has won overall and in 22 fights he won by knockout, this is an achievement for professional boxer from France.
But as boxing fan I would say that it would be more interesting to see him fight not against Canelo but with David Benavidez because Benavidez is also an undefeated boxer and managed to win total of 28 fights with 24 by knockout.
Obviously this would be very heated encounter and although it is very unlikely to happen we really want to see and expect these two undefeated boxers to meet.

That way, there will be one who loses and changes his record, the sentiment of everyone will be able to improve and by bringing these two boxers together they can also make much more money.
They can make real deal if they really want to face each other on the ring, with the title at stake I don't think it possible to refuse.
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February 18, 2024, 11:50:43 PM
Then there's David Benavidez and he is entitled to have that chance. And if the news is correct, WBC already ordered Canelo to fight him and discussions are being made.
https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/18/65d26b2922601d2e408b45cc.html
Canelo Alvarez to face David Benavidez by order of the WBC
I believe the boxing fans would welcome this and would love to see this happen.

That article is kind of clickbait. Sulaimain gave a 20 second soundbite to a YouTube channel in which he said Benavidez would be ratified as Canelo's mandatory challenger but it still seems like they are dragging their feet on actually ordering that fight to take place. There is currently no deadline for when Canelo has to face him. Being mandatory is meaningless if they won't really enforce it.

Sulaiman also said there have been talks between their management because they are both with PBC but we don't know how serious those talks even were. Sampson Lewkowicz, who is Benavidez' official promoter, has stated that Canelo has no interest in facing David this year. I am taking Sulaiman's statement with a huge grain of salt as there is no reason why the president of one of the most corrupt sports organizations should be considered a trustworthy source.
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February 18, 2024, 07:43:12 PM
^^ He is not going to retire, he just said that he will not fight Mexican next. And there are noises from within the boxing community and even in social media that his next opponent will be Jermall Charlo. And we boxing fans want to see him against David Benavidez, but it's not going to happen for now. David though is the interim WBC champion while Canelo is their regular champion. But WBC doesn't want to force Canelo as he is the cash cow and obviously Sulaiman's favorite and so he can dictate who he wants to fight. And base on his contract with PBC, they have Jermall Charlo in their stable so it's going to be easy to set up the fight. It's that if the fans are going to buy the tickets. But I will assumed that they will, as we all know that Canelo is still the cash cow and no matter who his opponent will, fans are more willing to see him either live or PPV.

I am pretty sure that retirement is not in his mind right now. I think it is a strategy. Yes, strategy of avoiding good fighters who might cause problems. I don't think he has actually anything against fighting a fighter of his own nationality. He just knows that the fighter might actually be a good competition for him.

Retirement is definitely not in his mind and I can say that with so much confidence because of the reason that you stated. He is still in the money fight. Fans want to see him. So he still has the capability of generating a lot of revenue. And nobody is going to pass on such opportunities.
No, I don't think so too. Not until he is forced to fight a strong boxer by the organization itself (like Yaunfitda said), especially if they want to make a good money flow.
But, he is the champion so he can decide who or when to fight unless he is not doing it at the specific amount of time given, then WBC will probably step in.

Who's next? They say it will happen in May but there's still no news about who he will fight next. Because of that, a lot of speculation are coming out and challengers are also voicing out.
Terence Crawford was one who voiced out that he would even try to climb three divisions just to test Canelo.
Then there's David Benavidez and he is entitled to have that chance. And if the news is correct, WBC already ordered Canelo to fight him and discussions are being made.
https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/18/65d26b2922601d2e408b45cc.html
Canelo Alvarez to face David Benavidez by order of the WBC
I believe the boxing fans would welcome this and would love to see this happen.
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February 17, 2024, 08:01:58 AM
Ideal yes, but Canelo as we have been saying, is hiding on the reason that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican, so strike it out, Munguia and Benavidez. Charlo though trying to deny for now that he will be the next opponent, so if not him and not Crawford, who will be?

Bivol will have his fight already against Beterbiev, and so he is also out of the equation, and if we look at the champions at 168 lbs, David Morrell is the only one for him. Unless he is willing to fight the number 1 rank in two divisions its, Christian Mbilli. But who the hell is Mbilli? He is not American, not Mexican but a French fighter.

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.

Yes, I do agree his record is good, but it's a question on how they can market him in the US, or what will be the storyline for him to fight Canelo, as fans might think that this is just another John Ryder performance for Canelo.

Right, we all get the clear picture after that announcement of Canelo that Benavidez is not on his time table for at least this year. Benavidez could go to Light HW, but I think he is hell bent and his father to fight Canelo, biggest paycheck and the chance to upset and get all his belt and maybe sort of like passing the torch for him to be the next big thing in boxing.
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February 17, 2024, 04:53:08 AM
Ideal yes, but Canelo as we have been saying, is hiding on the reason that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican, so strike it out, Munguia and Benavidez. Charlo though trying to deny for now that he will be the next opponent, so if not him and not Crawford, who will be?

Bivol will have his fight already against Beterbiev, and so he is also out of the equation, and if we look at the champions at 168 lbs, David Morrell is the only one for him. Unless he is willing to fight the number 1 rank in two divisions its, Christian Mbilli. But who the hell is Mbilli? He is not American, not Mexican but a French fighter.

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.

Possible, so who is next after Charlo? David Morell? We have been hearing his name as well together with Benavidez and Munguia. Usually Canelo fights in May (Cinco de Mayo), and then September (Mexican Independence Day).

So if he wins against Charlo then and so he will just have 1 fight left in PBC. Probably Benavidez will have to look for other options then, yeah, why not move to 175, I think he could be natural 175 lbs for all we known as he is very tall like Bivol as compare to Canelo who is more stockier built and rightly for a super middle weight class.
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February 17, 2024, 03:55:48 AM
I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.

The problem with Benavidez is he is only a mandatory. He doesn't bring anything beneficial to Canelo. He's like a super high risk with a decent reward that is not so high. I think Canelo just went the Mayweather way. Floyd was old at that time but he demanded a catchweight against a green 23-year-old Canelo.

Everybody's praising Benavidez but I also feel something for this guy. I believe he will also start ducking once he becomes the top dog. It's because he canceled his fight with fellow prospect and undefeated David Morrell in favor of an old and inactive Andrade. If Benavidez won, he could've become not just the WBC mandatory but also in the WBA since Morrell holds that right.

Earlier Canelo said he is facing an American next which means not Mungia. Thought it was either Bud or maybe Jermall. But just lately, he denied Crawford saying he does not want the fans to say he beat a smaller guy who moved up 3 divisions. So I guess it is Jermall against Canelo this Cinco De Mayo. Revenge of the twin will be the theme. Cheesy
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February 16, 2024, 11:05:56 PM
@Baofeng. What fight would make more money, if Munguia fights Canelo or if Charlo fights Canelo?

Depends on the location, if it will be in Mexico, then Munguia vs Canelo might be huge. Or if it is wherein there are a lot of Mexicans like in San Antonio or Munguia's home town of Phoenix, then it will be a lot of money as well.

He will be fighting a Charlo that has been out for almost a 2 years because of mental health, and then a career middle weight fighter.

So it's going to be a hard sell, but then again when he fought Jermell, a 154 lbs it did make good money, 650,000-700,000 pay per view buys. So still Canelo is the cash cow.

very expensive if the price per view is up to 700k dollars. everyone will choose to watch live at the boxing match venue. or watch it on pay TV services. because there are many pay tv whose prices are much cheaper for just watching boxing matches live. almost certainly will not sell if the pay per view price is up to 700k dollars.
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February 16, 2024, 10:56:43 PM
Ideal yes, but Canelo as we have been saying, is hiding on the reason that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican, so strike it out, Munguia and Benavidez. Charlo though trying to deny for now that he will be the next opponent, so if not him and not Crawford, who will be?

Bivol will have his fight already against Beterbiev, and so he is also out of the equation, and if we look at the champions at 168 lbs, David Morrell is the only one for him. Unless he is willing to fight the number 1 rank in two divisions its, Christian Mbilli. But who the hell is Mbilli? He is not American, not Mexican but a French fighter.

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.
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February 16, 2024, 07:35:38 PM
^^ He is not going to retire, he just said that he will not fight Mexican next. And there are noises from within the boxing community and even in social media that his next opponent will be Jermall Charlo. And we boxing fans want to see him against David Benavidez, but it's not going to happen for now. David though is the interim WBC champion while Canelo is their regular champion. But WBC doesn't want to force Canelo as he is the cash cow and obviously Sulaiman's favorite and so he can dictate who he wants to fight. And base on his contract with PBC, they have Jermall Charlo in their stable so it's going to be easy to set up the fight. It's that if the fans are going to buy the tickets. But I will assumed that they will, as we all know that Canelo is still the cash cow and no matter who his opponent will, fans are more willing to see him either live or PPV.

Still precise to his statement that he will not going to fight his fellow Mexican and just like what you mentioned he can dictate what he wants as he still bringing money they will keep it that way. In terms of those many fans who keeps on calling for him to face this prime Benavidez, they will continue to see more dissapointment, unless Canelo will change his position and take their call.

For now, we will see him inside the ring again, and all those bettors and fans who loves Canelo will surely support him and the cycle of bringing money will continue.
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February 16, 2024, 06:49:32 PM
I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.
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