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January 25, 2023, 05:14:28 PM
Crazy that Tommy Fury pulled out of his fight with Jake Paul for the third time. I think he’s using Jake Paul’s name to try and become relevant but he knows he can’t box so he’s just dragging this dude out as long as possible to get people to say his name. At this point Tommy Fury looks like a fake boxer. He keeps dropping the chance to secure the biggest bag of his life. He should just take the ass beating and collect a check. This is getting embarrassing.

From what I read, he sends a cryptic message to Jake Paul, that Tommy and his girlfriend Molly Mae Hague is expecting the couple's first child.

So in this case, it might be the reason if he is going to pull out again. The problem is that this is the 3rd time and I don't think he is that really serious in fighting Jake Paul. Yeah, there could be money for this fight, but I doubt that he is willing to risk anything here.

I do agree, this is embarrassing for Tommy Fury and perhaps to Tyson himself.
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January 25, 2023, 05:09:57 PM
Even Casimero was a former champion he can't ask for a shortcut since he move up to this division without holding a belt if he's just wise and he move up before that mandatory fight, maybe the chance of winning the current belt is possible for him, but that's happen from the past and we can't compare both Inoue and Casimero in this division they are different in terms of ranking.

Who said that Casimero's camp is asking for shortcuts?

They are always silent when began stepping into 122 lbs. Even the talks with Akaho just come out of surprise. They surely know what they are doing for Casimero to be included again in the top rankings. For now, they are trying to negotiate as much as possible with those boxers above him. Currently, at WBC, he has now ranked 8, and after another 2 to 3 fights and won it, he might end up in 2nd or 3rd rank.

Just hope for the best and who knows maybe they are really destined to meet inside the ring, they just both need to win and let time dictates their fate.

Casimero is the one that badly needed to always win as Inoue is currently at the top now.

If Inoue will face his first defeat in the hands of Moloney, I'm seeing that Inoue will still be the Rank 1 contender and the rematch might happen.
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January 25, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Inoue clean up that division, won the world bantamweight super series, so he has nothing to proved at 118 lbs, beat everyone has all the belts. And I think in recent years, one of the best accomplished by a fighter in his own division.

Casimero is different case though, yes he become a champion but hasn't proved that much as compare to Inoue so it's going to be a different path for him in 122 lbs that he is now campaigning. He can't just go and ask any boxing bodies that he wants to fight their champion.  He had to take the different route unline Inoue.

Even Casimero was a former champion he can't ask for a shortcut since he move up to this division without holding a belt if he's just wise and he move up before that mandatory fight, maybe the chance of winning the current belt is possible for him, but that's happen from the past and we can't compare both Inoue and Casimero in this division they are different in terms of ranking.

Just hope for the best and who knows maybe they are really destined to meet inside the ring, they just both need to win and let time dictates their fate.
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January 25, 2023, 01:18:59 PM
Crazy that Tommy Fury pulled out of his fight with Jake Paul for the third time. I think he’s using Jake Paul’s name to try and become relevant but he knows he can’t box so he’s just dragging this dude out as long as possible to get people to say his name. At this point Tommy Fury looks like a fake boxer. He keeps dropping the chance to secure the biggest bag of his life. He should just take the ass beating and collect a check. This is getting embarrassing.
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January 25, 2023, 12:27:26 PM
I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Inoue clean up that division, won the world bantamweight super series, so he has nothing to proved at 118 lbs, beat everyone has all the belts. And I think in recent years, one of the best accomplished by a fighter in his own division.

Casimero is different case though, yes he become a champion but hasn't proved that much as compare to Inoue so it's going to be a different path for him in 122 lbs that he is now campaigning. He can't just go and ask any boxing bodies that he wants to fight their champion.  He had to take the different route unline Inoue.
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January 25, 2023, 11:32:42 AM
In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

I like this fight because Casimero and Nery if I'm not mistaken, has been talking trash even before Casimero moved to 122 lbs. But it was during that time that Nery won the WBC super bantamweight title in 2020. However, he lost the belt to Brandon Figueroa in his next fight and the two stop their public brawl. But I still wouldn't mind seeing a Mexican warrior fought Casimero now. It will be a good name for Casimero if he wins against Nery and he could be a step closer to his goal of fighting for a belt in super bantamweight, so yeah, why not.
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January 25, 2023, 10:42:18 AM

Yeah, I like Inoue vs Allem fight, Allem is not that bad, rank number 4 by WBC and IBF, so this is going to be a good test for Inoue, sort of welcoming fight for him in 122 lbs.


He really needs that fight to get used to his new weight division and if he will have no problem beating his opponent, then dominating this division will be an easy job for him. He really works hard to unify all the major belts in his prime and now he is still in good shape to also push forward to create a history for himself that would be another long quest for him until he also becomes a unified champion here. Casimero should really work to get him at this point if he wants to get an opportunity to prove himself against Inoue or else he will retire from boxing thinking about what might gonna happen if they were given chance to fight against each other.

Well, judging that it is Allem and not Canelo or Bivol, it seems to me that this is a good thing for Inoue to start taking his first steps in that category, I think that he must not adapt much either9, however I think that he must still have some pressure, maybe a bit of shit, because it is known that the category he dominated was totally his, it is indisputable, but I think that if he is like that he can do the same for this category, if we put all this on the table , we can realize that this will be like a walk for him, even if he touches Allem , or whoever, the result will be the Welcome and possibly a victory.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

Well, I am very sure of something, it is that Casimero always wants to face the best, it is not surprising that he wants that, so he is a boxer of that style, and it is one of the things I like, because that makes to his way of fighting and in turn pleases the fans, if he manages to put up a fight against him, it is a magnificent achievement, and it is the most correct thing, a boxer to be the best has to beat them all, earn the respect of all so that later they do not say that he only got there by sheer luck or because he lacked fighting against X opponent, all criticism is canceled there.
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January 25, 2023, 09:17:33 AM
Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.
Is it correct that this is the last match of Josh Taylor in this division? Instead of holding on to Catterall, why not concentrate on the next weight? After becoming undisputed in this division, Josh Taylor, in my opinion, is losing his dedication. In his most recent match with Catterall, he did poorly. When that match took place in his home country, everyone expected him to defeat Catterall easily, but he didn't. Similar to what occurred with Paul Butler, an interim match should be given to Catterall.
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January 25, 2023, 08:44:27 AM
He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.

Beides, Nonito Donaire's situation now is already different from before because he doesn't have all the time in the world anymore to fight some other guys at 118 lbs or to do some clean-up, and that is why he should be picky for his future fights and arrange all his schedules while he is still viewed as one of the threats in the bantamweight division.
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January 25, 2023, 08:28:10 AM
He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.
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January 23, 2023, 06:57:58 PM
In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.
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January 23, 2023, 04:27:57 PM
Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.
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January 23, 2023, 03:56:28 PM
I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Simple as that, Casimero needs to keep on winning to bring his rank up and to have that chance to challenge a top caliber contender from this division for him to get that access to negotiate and challenge the belt holder, unlike with Inoue who can shortcut his way to challenge whoever he wanted, either  a belt holder or another known name from this division.
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January 23, 2023, 02:25:14 PM
I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.
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January 23, 2023, 02:07:22 PM
There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

True, I still wanted to see Donaire dance on the ring.  Even though the flash has aged, a fan will still be a fan, and wanted his supported boxer to see fighting and winning in the ring again.
We all talk about his age but that's a common thing to him and yes, we all remain to be a fan of his. We're giving him the support until he decides to retire or stop his passion.

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.
Give him the chance and no doubt that he's going to dominate there just as how he dominated his past weigh division.

He knows what he's doing and that's why he has to move there, I'm not a fan of his but wishing him success there.
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January 23, 2023, 09:02:20 AM
If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.
What's done and done and that match won't happen again. I don't think that he'll ever chase Casimero as he's done with him, and Casimero's career.
He still got a few years left to prove himself and I'm sure that the fire that he's got inside after the two losses that he's got from Inoue, it will brought on with the possible upcoming fight that he's got for the vacated title that Inoue has left.
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January 23, 2023, 04:40:34 AM
I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.
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January 23, 2023, 03:47:05 AM

I can't imagine what this guy will do once he makes a record in super bantamweight as he did in the previous one. Will he climb higher weights again after he is done with this? That sure is something to look forward to.

We want him to fully use his remaining time to conquer every division he is in and not to arrogantly spoil his moment like most boxers did when they were at the best time of their career. Inoue is really disciplined enough not to cause trouble and he will surely be the next pound-for-pound champion if he can also dominate his current weight division without a problem.

If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.
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January 23, 2023, 03:40:24 AM
Anyone seen Liam Smith knocking out Chris Eubank in their fight his weekend? This is at a weight of 160 lbs and that is too much for Liam Smith if I'm not mistaken, but he surprises everyone when he knock out Eubank in just 4 rounds.

Now they are talking about a rematch and since Liam Smith has the leverage now, he wanted to fight at a catchweight of 157 lbs. At least this is closer to his fighting weight of 154 lbs.

He was just caughtby Liam Smith perfectly, I initially thought that there are no power behind that, but obviously Eubank was hurt on the first punch that Liam landed on him, he tries to get up but Smith finishes him off. There are some controversial though before the fight and there are comments about by Smith on Chris and the BBBoC didn't take that lightly. I will just leave it to guys to look  that in youtube.

In any case, Eubank vs Benn might be delayed because of this upset, and obviously, Eubank is looking for a rematch but I doubt that he can make 157 lbs, he looks drain at 160 lbs already in my opinion. So it's going to be suicide for him if he fights in this rematch at 157 lbs catch weight.
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January 22, 2023, 11:26:52 PM

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

All I want for him now is a positive thought that he will achieve what he wants so he will not regret anything moving forward, I think that he had a rough time while defeated by the younger Naoya Inoue, you will also have the same feeling of regret that you didn't win that fight and in his 2nd attempt it was a total failure and he was now dominated by the younger opponent, I think he is still thinking his path, loosing to those fighters that are bigger than him, and winning against he smaller once, I think his mindset to continue is the one that is pushing him to go even further, for him I really wish him the best,



Right now we got a great fight coming this Saturday, and it is Beterbiev vs. Yarde fight here is the link for the Bitcointalk forum so you can discuss it in full details with some people that are interested with discussing the Main Event but here are the full fight for this event,



MAIN CARD

WBC, WBO, IBF World Light Heavyweight Title
Artur Beterbiev VS Anthony Yarde

CO-MAIN CARD

WBA World Flyweight Title
Artem Dalakian VS David Jimenez

MAIN CARD

WBO Inter-Continental Light Heavyweight Title
Willy Hutchinson VS Emil Markic

Umar Khan VS Sandeep Singh Bhatti
Charles Frankham VS Joshua Ocampo
Josh Frankham VS Joe Hardy
Sean Noakes VS Santiago Garces
Khalid Ali VS Ivica Gogosevic
Tommy Fletcher VS Darryl Sharp

WBC International Light Heavyweight Title
Karol Itauma VS Ezequiel Maderna

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