Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 150. (Read 28993 times)

Very difficult in the case of Butler and any fighter at 118-122 lbs. At 118 lbs, there could still be Donaire and other Filipinos too in contention for a world belt. But if he chooses to go up, then his old nemesis in Casimero and Inoue is waiting as well.

So he is in on man's land, but I guess if his body can't make the 118 lbs like Inoue, he has no option but to move up, fight contenders and see if he will have a chance to fight for a world title belt again.

It seems that the brawl that John Riel Casimero brought to Akaho was pretty much effective and has gotten praise from many who watch this is really a bad image to Ryo Akaho, the referee, and the promoter of the event for Akaho he was now dubbed as the best acting boxer and needs praises to his acting performance, and the Promoters to their bias judgment in their fellow Japanese boxers, that is why even though John Riel Casimero didn't get the belt I think another title shot has given to him so expect a great fight again in his stead,

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We will have a long break from boxing because of the holiday season, I think that there will be fights that I have missed but I think the not-so-well-known fight is really not worth watching anyway but what I am after was the fight between Gervonta Davis vs. Hector Luis Garcia but surely I am for Gervonta Davis on this for sure the odds will surely pour into Gervonta as well, for me Ryan Garcia will be the best match for him but if Ryan Garcia's cherry-picked fight was for the preparation for Davis then  there is a high possibility that this is a hand-picked fight,

Not soon but I think Casimero will surely face a strong opponent next that is at least on the good rank of those 4 well-known boxing organizations.

The rankings that should we refer to are those on the list of those big organizations; WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO.

Although not updated yet, I think Casimero is not on Rank 3 yet at least on this 1 organization. Someone can correct me on this. The possible title match for Casimero should be based on the rankings given by these big organizations I have mentioned.

It looks like Butler doesn't want to be left behind, after the beatings he received from Inoue, it looks like Butler is asking for more.  I watched some clips on youtube[1] and it stated Butler planned to leave his weight division and possibly will go up in weight division.  So Butler planned to mix it up again against Inoue, and Casimero if ever he goes up in weight division. 

While Casimero after his fight against Akaho is now ranked 3rd by boxingrec.com. So it is possible to have a title fight for Casimero soon.

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFOXs8yuQNg

An 18 wins 3 losses Filipino boxer I really think his record is not bad and really promising, with 13 KOs in his record that is surely a lot of KO wins, he also defeated Guillermo Rigondeaux where Rigondeaux is down in round 8, for me he doesn't have any bad record and much promising maybe a high chance in getting a belt, but I will leave that on my another verdict when I already watched his highlights because even though I am a Filipino I really don't know him at all, his name doesn't ring a bell at all,


Actually, I was really late when it comes to Filipino boxers still haven't watched some video of his fight but maybe I will give my assessment of him in some of my posts next time, will be very eyes wide open to Vincent Astrolabio this time and will search for some training regime, of his, maybe there are some stream,

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Some Upcoming Boxing Schedule that I have seen online,

Gervonta Davis vs. Hector Luis Garcia - Jan. 7: Washington D.C. (Showtime PPV)

Artur Beterbiev vs. Anthony Yarde - Jan. 28: London (ESPN+)

Jermell Charlo vs. Tim Tszyu - Jan 28: Las Vegas (Showtime)

It's interesting that Vincent Astrolabio had promised Manny Pacquiao before the fight that he would give Pacquiao a knockout to Nikolai Potapov as a gift for Pacquiao's 44th birthday, he fulfilled his promise by managing to knock out Nikolai Potapov over Emmanuel Rodriguez in the 6th round to fight Vincent Astrolabio, it will be a very interesting fight, I believe that Vincent Astrolabio can win this fight, I'll wait for more information about the fight, then I'll do analysis and on the day of the fight I'll see who I'll bet on

If there was a boxing match today, I would have bet, I would have made a world cup match multibet, an NBA match and a boxing match, I would have made a good profit, but whatever. for today I can only bet on the world cup and NBA games

Yeah, the lightweight title seems to be one of the hottest of all as two Garcia's (not related) are trying to snatch it from the Gervonta "Tank" Davis.
But I doubt it will be that easy, the firepower of that dude is crazy, almost like trying to break every skull of his opponents.

Anyway, Ryan Garcia said he will go directly to fight Davis and will cancel the tune-up fight against Filipino fighter Mercito Gesta.
https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-opts-go-straight-gervonta-davis-fight-with-mercito-gesta-no-longer-play--171219
So he will be preparing until April if ever Davis wins on January 7.

For Filipino boxing fans, we have another one who might end up fighter for one of the belt that Inoue will vacated. His name is Vincent Astrolabio.

He won against Nikolai Potapov in the sixth round of their IBF bantamweight elimination.


https://www.boxingscene.com/vincent-astrolabio-drops-potapov-three-times-stops-him-sixth--171252

So will face  Emmanuel Rodriguez for the IBF bantamweight belt next.

Of course we can't compare the legendary Manny to anyone. I'm just showing how special Manny is as it is hard to duplicate what he had done. Not even with the likes of Inoue who is also Asian by the way to climb and become a three or four divisional champion.

If ever he has plans to 130 lbs and could be his last stop, I do agree that let his body goes to that natural phase to gain mass, not necessarily muscles not just pound.

But it's too early for us to predict though, maybe in the next 3-4 years if Inoue can continue with his career, some of us can go back and see how our predictions are regarding his moving up to 126 lbs or 130 lbs.

That time when you don't want to accept that you are losing so much and don't want anybody to see your real reaction to your pain I think this is what happen to Paul Butler he was on the verge of giving up but surely the sense of keeping his pride intact in not showing it still goes on even though he was knockout the pride and pursue to not giving up you can really see in the 11th round, so I really salute him in hanging on until he can not anymore,

I think Nonito Donaire is now getting the strength to push through I think he really needs the courage to be built before he can ever face Naoya Inoue again, so going below the Bantamweight is the thing he can think of, while Naoya Inoue is not pursuing the Super Bantamweight for him if he can dominate if

The thing is when Juan Francisco Estrada won that fight Nonito Donaire was watching and was invited in getting inside the ring aswell, and when the fight was over and Juan Francisco Estrada won the fight I think he will go and challenged Estrada but the security had him go down the ring that security was really disrespectful to Nonito Donaire in my opinion,


I agree his age is not getting younger anymore and getting down the division might be a hard time for him, but let's wait and see, because I think he got an entire plan with this upcoming division shift and some fighter when going down division are getting much more have the advantage because they have experience with the heavy gun in the upper division, in the previous Juan Francisco Estrada VS Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez fight and sadly to say Nonito Donaire was just disrespected by security, knowing that it was Nonito Donaire and was invited inside the ring,

Bulking up with muscle can add strength in power but just like adding strength having too much resistance to movement will surely make a person slower.  We saw that in the one you described.  Besides boxing isn't all about power, a combination of speed and devastating punching power is better than the "a little more" devasting strength alone.


I agree, he should do things normally.  He already have that tremendous punching power, and we must also know speed kills.   Sharp fast straight can render anyone stunned.  And I think the strenth added by bulking up will not compensate for his lost speed.  Speed is way more important than adding a tiny fraction of strength.  Speed is also the reason why a tiny bullet when fired is more devastating and dangerous than a bigger rock thrown.

Not sure if bulking up or getting more muscles could do good thing for boxers, we have seen Canelo climb to 175 lbs with more muscles but he tends to be slower and that's why he lost to Bivol. Perhaps if Inoue is a natural 130 lbs, because he can still grow and physically as we aged our body weight is going to adjust as well.

So much better if he won't bulk up at all, just let his body goes to the cycle of gaining a normal weight. So that his power and speed won't be affected that much if he reaches 126 lbs or if he have plans to go higher as expected to 130 lbs.

We can't tell what will be the fate of Inoue once he decided to climb up, though he's fit with 126 he just need to add some muscles and be trained to keep his speed and his power punch, and like what you said, moving to 130 might be a tough one but who knows? Maybe after 126 he will again climb if he feels that he got the shot, making his way to collect more belts and to build his own statue in this sport.

Bob Arum knows where to bring his man. He already has that blue print to secure more money to earn from Inoue.

We can't compare Manny though to Inoue's climb, the only similarities is that they both under Top Rank's Bob Arum. So of course he has the blue print to make champions already, but Inoue is different he is already several weight classes already when he started, while Manny started as low as 108 lbs if I'm not mistaken.

So at 126 lbs, it could still be a perfect fit for Inoue's body with some minor adjustment maybe and I do really think that he can still bring his power to that division.

But the next one at 130 lbs might be a different story for him.

I have no doubts about that he could climb as high as 126 lbs. but I seriously do think that it's best for him at the moment to take his time first and climb the respective weight class before he reaches 126 lbs. as that is much safer as well because he will be used to the weight rather than climbing directly and risks the chances that he will be surprised with what the weight class could give him and the guys who are much natural in that category.
He's still 29 years old, so there's no need to be hasty because his weight will be more natural as he grows older.

I think Inoue is only need a short time if he want in Super bantamweight since the champions are only 2 boxers: Fulton and Akhmadaliev. If Inoue can beat both of the champions, maybe he will only need at least 4 fights, a first fight and rematch for both boxers. Then he can climb to feather weight and need much more longer time to collect each belt (if the current champions doesn't dare to risk their own belts).

Manny Pacquiao is starting from bottom where his body is still flat and then bulking after he's more matured.

Yeah, I think he can still fit in the featherweight division of 126 lbs. But then again, it will define his greatness if he can become a champion first in super bantamweight, remain unbeaten and then go up to 126 lbs and get another belt.

And it just shows how legendary Manny is in his career, started as a flyweight and climbing up.

Not many boxers can go up five division north when they started, Manny did it eight.

Regarding Inoue, he says that he can go as high as featherweight division, at 126 lbs.

So that will be a big accomplished indeed if he can jump as high as the featherweight, not sure though if  this is the final weight class for him. Maybe he can push as high as 130 lbs in the future.

And besides, those champion in 122 lbs might be soon jumping to 126 lbs as well, so the chase is still there. Fulton for one has been saying that he might just to 126 lbs, but hopefully we can see him and Inoue fight at super bantamweight with the belt on the line.

Paul Butler knew that he can't withstand the power of Inoue especially the punch to the body.  This is one reason why Butler's arm is clipped to his body to avoid a direct hit from Inoue's punches. This is the reason why I think Butler is unable to counter even though he seen Inoue open many times.


I believe Nonito will dominate the 115 lbs and possibly can still won a title fight even though he is past his prime.  The lesser weight means a lesser maximum punching power input, so Donaire may possibly withstand any strong punches in that division.

Yes, there has always been a plan for this boxers in the beginning, whether they will executed it is a different story.

And it seem the corner of Butler was satisfied on what he is doing so he just go one with that, just prevent himself getting hit and then just throw counter with Inoue is coming. But still though, him countering Inoue is worst because he open himself to counter from Inoue as Naoya has also a quick hands that's why when Butler throws, he immediately goes to the body as well. So far, there is no blue print to beat Inoue, unfortunately.