Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 151. (Read 29009 times)

Paul Butler knew that he can't withstand the power of Inoue especially the punch to the body.  This is one reason why Butler's arm is clipped to his body to avoid a direct hit from Inoue's punches. This is the reason why I think Butler is unable to counter even though he seen Inoue open many times.


I believe Nonito will dominate the 115 lbs and possibly can still won a title fight even though he is past his prime.  The lesser weight means a lesser maximum punching power input, so Donaire may possibly withstand any strong punches in that division.

Yes, there has always been a plan for this boxers in the beginning, whether they will executed it is a different story.

And it seem the corner of Butler was satisfied on what he is doing so he just go one with that, just prevent himself getting hit and then just throw counter with Inoue is coming. But still though, him countering Inoue is worst because he open himself to counter from Inoue as Naoya has also a quick hands that's why when Butler throws, he immediately goes to the body as well. So far, there is no blue print to beat Inoue, unfortunately.

Well, he ought to praise him because he doesn't have much a choice. I think he already knew what would happen that is why he just came to survive the whole bout but his body failed him because it gave up during the 11th round. Still for me, Butler also deserves some credits because what he did is not really easy, imagine weathering all those punches in 11 good rounds? Anyway, that's what he can do because he doesn't have the strength to defeat Inoue, either way, Inoue will still win the fight.


I would like to think the same way because I know how impressive he is especially against strong opponents as he can evolve more rather than fighting a much weaker opponent where he can't learn a thing or two. But that will be a question for now because the next weight class is an unknown water for him, better to get used to it first and to answer your question, there's no opponent for him yet.

Well, plans are just plans until it's executed.

And on Butler's part, yeah maybe that's really a plan for him but he didn't thought on how things will be changed based on what he has done. So, that's why words will just be words not until they've proved it.

At the earliest, it's also like a motivator to them so that they won't belittle themselves even before the match.

Ok, I remember now, yes, I read that he wants to target the winner of Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada, just the question if he can make 115 lbs because Nonito is a tall fighter for that weight division and he is not getting any younger so it might affect his body if he go that low.

But if he targets his natural weight class which is bantamweight, then this could be a good decision for him since Inoue has left this division already.

Could be challenge, but I think he could beat the majority of rank fighters here if not beaten by him already.

Yes mate, doesn't make sense to beat or even parlay at ML at it's not worth it, just better wait for the result of it, hehehe.

As for Donaire, make sense for him to comeback, although he didn't retire officially, but Inoue is no longer in the bantamweight so him and maybe Butler can fight it out for the belt or maybe Jason Moloney or Emmanuel Rodriguez.

So still good fight for Donaire in this weight class and he has a good chance as well to become another belt holder.

Some of the remaining fight do in the calendar for this year is similar to that. But next year, January there are good line up already for boxing.

There's a chance that he will become a champion again as only Inoue can beat him. I like to see him to become a champion again so he will be fully fulfilled when they think of retiring. Also, Butler can still try to be a challenger again since no more Inoue, which means the competition is very tight.

Yes I do agree with @YuginKadoya - this boxers doesn't want to admit that they are hurt but you can see at the face and reaction of Butler when he is hit by Naoya, he circle and then trying to avoid the punches and then grimace in pain from body and head punch by Inoue.

And obviously, if Inoue goes up, then there will be a vacuum left in the 118 lbs and if Nonito still want to fight and be a world champion again then he can still go for the last time to become a champion until he retires.

Although before Nonito says he will go down to 115 lbs and probably now that we seen who won between Estrada and Chocolatito, he might go for Juan Estrada, but let's see.

I think Nonito Donaire now got his eyes targeted on a major world title match and this is the ARTICLE well, despite his major knockout lost to the monster Naoya Inoue that is not given him any doubt to himself, and I think that is the good quality of most Filipino's it is hard for them to learn how to give up, and right now Nonito Donaire in the article said that he is targeting Roman Gonzalez and Juan Franciso Estrada,


Poor guy, it goes to show that the level of Naoya Inoue is really different now, it is just sad that the 1st match of Nonito Donaire VS Naoya Inoue was a close one, but on an interview with Nonito Donaire even though he did not say what did happen with their rematch it was really bleak that Naoya Inoue is not a different boxer from their last fight, Inoue now overtakes Donaire tremendously that Donaire now is taking a step backward of the division, because he knows how the Monster Naoya Inoue power and speed can be devastating, and even though Paul Butler won't admit it, his reaction to all the punches he receives to Naoya Inoue is truly different from other boxers he faced,

Next event it is.
I may have tried just guessing what round it will end on Inoue's side because the rewards were too small enough to put the risk at just betting for him to win.

Tomorrow morning for GMT+8 there will be a boxing fight.
Dec. 16, 2022 Quebec, Canada 7 p.m. ET

Makhmudov, Arslanbek vs Wallisch, Michael
Butler, Steven vs Conley, Joshua
Spencer, Mary vs Hermans, Femke

3 heavy favorites, even a 3-way parlay is not profitable enough. 

Probably that was his plan in the beginning, but when he taste the power of Inoue, all plan was throw out of the window and so he goes on the survival moved. And then he just run around trying to avoid that power punches. But the accumulation throughout the first 10 rounds might be enough for Butler because once he goes down in round 11th it was clearly over.

So props for Donaire for going out toe to toe with Inoue but the gamble didn't pay off as he was knock out in just 2 rounds.

These words from boxers on what they'll do are just actually words from them giving answers to what has been asked to them.

But when in actuality, it's going to be not what they are able to say. It's a different world when they're inside the ring and the situation varies from the stance of his and his opponent and that's why those are just like their plans.

And the plans that they've made and said, don't go accordingly.

I remember Butler saying that he will do what Donaire did on the first match against Inoue, Butler stated that he won't show respect to Inoue because lots of boxers whom Inoue beats easily are those who give Inoue lots of respect.  So Butler stated that he wouldn't give respect to the power of Inoue when facing him.  But it turns out that Butler not only respects the power punching of Inoue but rather left him unable to do what he wanted because he was terrified by the power of Inoue.



As I stated, Butler was terrified of the punching power of Inoue.  Inoue even teases Butler during the fight, inviting Butler to engaged but Butler just did nothing.

Well, whenever a boxer wants to fight, it is something that we are passionate about, what happens is that there are some boxers who seek to have more fame and more recognition, this is something that is sometimes not achieved, be it for the reason that the boxer does not he wants and looks for other opponents who can raise the ranks and who can give him more fame, but on the other hand, many look for the best, such as the case of Crawford, the case of Canelo (something that caught my attention what he threw at Messi I really saw it badly there, that even Mike Tyson threatened him) So sometimes boxers want to have a lot of fame and they can't get it because of their attitudes, that's something that can be recognized.


I cannot deny that I did not expect something like this, in fact I did have faith in Butler, but not so much, there came a time during the fight where I saw him so badly that I had no ideas that I said, they knocked him out, the truth is Inoue He is a very strong boxer who fully trusts his technique and who can make a difference with anyone who stands in front of him, for me it is something that very few boxers have, however I hope that for his next encounters it will not complicate it so much. Inoue came to give a series of combinations that violated the class and elegance with which he fights, he did not lose his temper and remained calm, I think that speaks very well of a boxer.


I would like to highlight the praise that Butler gave Inoue:

Paul Butler Offers No Excuses, Gives High Praise To Naoya Inoue




Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-offers-no-excuses-gives-high-praise-naoya-inoue--171181

What Inoue awakens in the other boxers is impressive, for me he is one of the best that we have had the privilege of seeing, I think that if he continues with that streak when he decides to move to a new category, he can do the same job, I really pay my respects to the Japanese, does anyone know if he already has another opponent to fight?

I haven't heard the news that Nonito Donaire will compete for the WBC belt. But in any case that Inoue vacated all the belt, obviously it will be open and Nonito once held that belt and probably he is still the number 1 contender not just for WBC or even for the other belts that Inoue held before.

So does make sense if the governing body will allow Nonito to fight for the belt right away and I can't remember if Nonito held either any belts, how many times he become a bantamweight champion and he could be the oldest.

That will be surprising if that indeed happen in about two or three years from now, but anyway, that is not really likely to happen given that the competition will be intense and yes, political issues between promoters will also impede for the younger generation to become the new undisputed champion.


Is that so? I thought he will climb the lower weight class which is super-fly because I think that's what he said, but it really makes sense that he will remain in bantamweight given that Inoue won't be in the picture anymore.

Yes, a specific fight needs specific thread so that it won't be messy, it's understandable that we're talking here in this thread about all sorts of fights because as the name suggests: Boxing Speculations, Odds and Predicitions.

But most odds and predictions in a particular fight falls under that specific thread and what we're talking here is just pure speculations because if the fight will be announced, then, it's safe to assume that we can see that thread in gambling discussion.

That might be good for Donaire if he's not planning to retire yet, he can chased for that vacant belt it will be nice to see him showing that he can still perform and if he still fits for another belt to hold. The Pinoy flash unable to bounce back with Inoue as we see the fighting difference between the two, no excuses but Inoue is for real, he was a monster with a huge skills and knowledge in these sport.

Well, I have missed the match aswell and am watching only on replays, but still, a great fight to watch we can see that Sandor Martin has some great movement and that Knockout from Martin I think it was just a graze and Lopez just slipped but it was counted as a knockdown, and at 1st I really thought that Martin was going to win against Lopez, but Teofimo Lopez just rallies some points at the last of the rounds so it was a great fight to watch,

but yeah Teofimo Lopez will surely get a hardtime with Regis Prograis but still I am excited because now this is not a picked fight by Teofimo Lopez this is the real deal fight for me and I am surely excited about taking a glimpse is looking forward to that fight,


You can try to bet on the next event, but yeah I thought the fight will be morning aswell yeah it was on a different timeline the fight was at 02:30 AM ET in Japan, and it will be 3:30 PM here in the Philippines, so I have missed it, and it was truly a remarkable match I feel so back for Paul Butler, he doesn't really know what hit him or why does Naoya Inoue had such great skill, speed, and strength in just small body that he had, well Inoue just got a remarkable record indeed, but for me, he still got a long way surpassing Pacquiao, he needs to still proved that he can make it, and yeah because Butler doesn't want to show his face the whole fight it was covered by his gloves, Naoya Inoue is showboating his way for Paul Butler in giving away his face for him to hit,

If there is someone who are going to open a specific thread for a specific fight then we can discussed everything under the sun there.

But if there is no specific thread maybe the fight is not that huge for boxing fans, then it falls on this thread simply as that. If could be disorganized as you have described it, but there are boxing fans that knows when to discussed that fight that is buried on this thread or just continue with the latest fight not having a specific thread.

So I disagree with your thoughts, and if you have look at this thread and back read, your point has been discussed as well. So we don't need to discussed it again, just saying. If you want specific fights to discussed then you can open a thread about it, simply as that.