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Quote from: Botnake on January 29, 2023, 01:03:22 AM

Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

Beterbiev is really a monster, no one can survive from his punch. I think if there's a fight where he can't knock out his opponent, anyone will think the boxer is capable and has a power to compete with Beterbiev. The odds for Beterbiev to win via decision is high too since everyone know Beterbive always knock out every opponents including the strong boxer like Yarde, Smith Jr, Gvozdyk and Browne.

Could Bivol survive for the complete 12 rounds or he will pull an upset against Beterbiev?

Really hard to see how the Beterbiev vs Bivol will turn out. Obviously, Beterbiev has the power, but Bivol has the footprint and the volume punching.

Yes, I do think that Yarde did very good in this fight and judges awarded him as he was ahead in the 2 cards. But it's just a matter on time before he will be caught by Beterbiev's power and that happen. Just very unfortunately that he was doing good until the 8th, and the right hand had a lot of power as you can see in his eyes that he felt that power.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 28, 2023, 08:02:09 PM

It's a win, yahoo.

Artem Dalakian won on a unanimous decision against David Jimenez.

Arthur Beterbiev knocked down Anthony Yarde with a right hook in the 8th round but after he got up the coach stepped in to save his fighter from more damage and stopped the fight.
I really thought Yarde is going to win it as he had his moments, especially in the 5th round as he hurt Beterbiev at some part but he failed to connect. The champion had some good defense and toughness and even if he doesn't have the speed, they made a good strategy for slowing down Yarde. From 4th round, Yarde's footwork was gone, he said he have the speed as his upper hand but he forgot to add some stamina.
The champion will be keeping all his belts.

Congrats and that's a good observation, it's the stamina and not just the speed, Beterbiev fight so well keeping his defense and make sure that he will have that energy to push the fight when Yarde is already running out of gas, it's a tough call but it's a needed call for the camp to avoid more damages for Yarde, if Beterbiev will connect more strong combinations they will risk the physical health of Yarde.

Better to stop and learn from this mistake and try to improve in case there's another chance of challenging the belt.

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Quote from: Botnake on January 29, 2023, 01:03:22 AM

Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

Beterbiev is really a monster, no one can survive from his punch. I think if there's a fight where he can't knock out his opponent, anyone will think the boxer is capable and has a power to compete with Beterbiev. The odds for Beterbiev to win via decision is high too since everyone know Beterbive always knock out every opponents including the strong boxer like Yarde, Smith Jr, Gvozdyk and Browne.

Could Bivol survive for the complete 12 rounds or he will pull an upset against Beterbiev?

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Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

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It's a win, yahoo.

Artem Dalakian won on a unanimous decision against David Jimenez.

Arthur Beterbiev knocked down Anthony Yarde with a right hook in the 8th round but after he got up the coach stepped in to save his fighter from more damage and stopped the fight.
I really thought Yarde is going to win it as he had his moments, especially in the 5th round as he hurt Beterbiev at some part but he failed to connect. The champion had some good defense and toughness and even if he doesn't have the speed, they made a good strategy for slowing down Yarde. From 4th round, Yarde's footwork was gone, he said he have the speed as his upper hand but he forgot to add some stamina.
The champion will be keeping all his belts.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 27, 2023, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 26, 2023, 07:25:16 AM

Beterbiev is 38 years old, and Yarde is 31 years old. Big difference in the age gap but Yarde said he is faster and younger and although Beterbiev is undefeated he will take advantage of this opportunity given to him. 3 titles in one match, this will be a big one if he wins this match. A big "if".

Power > Speed (at least for me)

Power + toughness < Speed + toughness for me. With speed/reflex and toughness, a boxer can be able to withstand the powerful blow of the opponent if he is hit but most of the time he can evade the punches of the more powerful opponent and at the same time delivering more hits.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 27, 2023, 08:08:55 PM

Speed doesn't matter for me if you can get knocked out in one power punch by your opponent. Beterbiev isn't throwing that much punches, but each of his punches is very strong that it can knock you out. That's why all of Beterbiev's wins are all coming from Knockout.

True that is why speed should be paired with toughness. This reminds me of Roy Jones, he was quick and has great speed in his prime and be able to evade punches of the opponent while delivering punches. Then later after his prime, he was exposed that he has a glass chin which became the target of his opponent that resulted in consecutive losses.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 27, 2023, 08:08:55 PM

On the other hand, let's still not forget that anything can happen in basketball as well as in boxing. We've seen some upsets in the past years and this fight might be as well, but the chances of it to happen? Close to zero and even though the odds are kind of low, I might put a bet on Beterbiev on this one

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True there is always this variables that can change the tide of the game.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 27, 2023, 06:04:17 AM

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We already know Bob Arum and I'm quite sure that there will be a rematch clause in this fight because even if they are just the challenger, it's still risky on their side because the reputation and value will be heavily affected. Inoue might remain as the #1 contender but a loss is a loss and he will need to prove his name again as it's also the only way towards the top.

Let's say there is no clause about the rematch. It will still depend on the champs camp to decide if it should happen.
I mean, what if Stephen Fulton wins and he felt like there's a chance for Inoue to defeat him on the next one? They would rather let him work his way up by defeating some of the higher contenders who are also asking for a chance at a title match than a rematch so they could prepare more and learn his movements while he is trying to go back up.
I do believe that even if Inoue loses this fight it will mark a great surprise to the champion that will affect the decision for a rematch. They might say no and protect the title, making a reason of "get in line, you are already defeated".

And let's say as well that there's no clause, but what if the opposite thing happens where Fulton was defeated? And they start to make another discussion again so that a rematch will happen, but what if Inoue's camp won't agree? They can't chase them if they won't agree because a clause wasn't written on their contract, and they will be left sorrowful because Inoue's camp is moving-on towards another belt holder.

A rematch clause will be helpful not just for Inoue's camp, it's a two-way road and the ones who will benefit it the most is the camp who possess the belts because they can still have another shot at their title that was once theirs and it's their as well to lessen the risk.

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Quote from: harizen on January 28, 2023, 12:59:06 PM

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But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

He will turn 34 years old next month. They really need to secure a deal this year and try to have at least up to 2 fights to somehow have a chance to move up in the rankings. And for let's say they can secure a fight this year, a mandatory win is necessary as losing one more time will just put him on scratch.

Since the goal is to make some noise, any opponent around his current rank under WBC will do.

As currently rank 8th by WBC, he can take those ranked 5th to 7th. The best option for me is to try securing a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue who defeated 5 PH boxers already in his career. Of course, the fight should be held at 122 lbs.

Yes, I agree. Casimero's camp should at least try and make a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma, because he is currently listed as 5th in WBC's official rankings while Casimero's listed as the 8th, and a fight like that will help Casimero and his camp to make noise again as the Inoues are already known throughout the industry especially in Japan.

At least he needed to secure just a single fight first before they start and about the second bout, I know that Casimero's time is not that vast now because he is getting older and he's still at the bottom but his camp should know the priorities as of now.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 28, 2023, 08:23:06 AM

But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

He will turn 34 years old next month. They really need to secure a deal this year and try to have at least up to 2 fights to somehow have a chance to move up in the rankings. And for let's say they can secure a fight this year, a mandatory win is necessary as losing one more time will just put him on scratch.

Since the goal is to make some noise, any opponent around his current rank under WBC will do.

As currently rank 8th by WBC, he can take those ranked 5th to 7th. The best option for me is to try securing a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue who defeated 5 PH boxers already in his career. Of course, the fight should be held at 122 lbs.

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Quote from: harizen on January 27, 2023, 06:39:47 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on January 27, 2023, 06:12:21 PM

That super champion is the shortcut for Inoue to move up and be the top contender on the next weight division. We may call it perk or advantage but still, it is a shortcut because he is cutting lines of the top contender on that division to fight for the title bout.

I don't think we can consider it a shortcut. Cutting lines on other contenders? Honestly, Inoue is already overqualified that's why it just makes sense for him to be up against a champion already at the Super Bantamweight. Again, 118 to 122 doesn't really have that difference that's why it should be obvious that Inoue, after moving up to 122 as a unified bantamweight champion with no loss record, can consider a top contender already at that weight.

Honestly, just be grateful since Bob Arum agrees to negotiate this fight as early as Inoue moved up since as we know, Arum's Top Rank doesn't really do business with PBC. They gave the fans the most requested fight once Inoue moved up and we will now witness it in a few months.

Well explained, indeed! Yes, it can't be considered as a shortcut because Naoya Inoue has earned the rights because he managed to be the undisputed boxer at 118 lbs. and it's not that he got helped by anyone who got influence, he himself is the reason why he got the chance to fight Steph Fulton right away. Bob Arum and WBO just helped to pave way to make this fight happen. In fact, this is rare because we know that PBC and Top Rank doesn't have any good relation ship and Bob Arum doesn't want a direct fight with the champion specifically if it's a first time for a boxer to step on that division.

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Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

Casimero's camp needs to work it out and find a best fighter to negotiate, he needed to keep winning to bring his name up and gain the interest from the top rank fighters, so far, there's no update yet regarding to Casimero's next fight maybe it will be announce once they close a schedule and a sign contract was done.

Waiting to hear some good news for Casimero as he's not getting any younger, better to keep chasing to earn the spot of being top challenger for the belt.

No choice for Casimero but to settle the fight at those mid-rankings. Nice try though that they negotiate with Nery's camp but it's obvious that Nery has another target as Casimero is, no offense, just currently an ordinary boxer now with no strong status.

I believed that Casimero's camp and everyone on his team is doing their best to have Casimero at least settle a fight this year.

As you pointed out, Casimero is not getting any younger. For me, it's best to just deal for the meantime at those 5th to 7th rankings since as soon as he keeps on winning, the boxing council itself will recognize him.

That's one thing though that Casimero doesn't have in his side, time.

He had wasted it in the last 2 years, those 2 fights with Butler that didn't happen, and he should be the one facing Inoue already. Now he has to go back to zero again. But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 28, 2023, 05:33:19 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on January 27, 2023, 06:59:37 PM

Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

Casimero's camp needs to work it out and find a best fighter to negotiate, he needed to keep winning to bring his name up and gain the interest from the top rank fighters, so far, there's no update yet regarding to Casimero's next fight maybe it will be announce once they close a schedule and a sign contract was done.

Waiting to hear some good news for Casimero as he's not getting any younger, better to keep chasing to earn the spot of being top challenger for the belt.

No choice for Casimero but to settle the fight at those mid-rankings. Nice try though that they negotiate with Nery's camp but it's obvious that Nery has another target as Casimero is, no offense, just currently an ordinary boxer now with no strong status.

I believed that Casimero's camp and everyone on his team is doing their best to have Casimero at least settle a fight this year.

As you pointed out, Casimero is not getting any younger. For me, it's best to just deal for the meantime at those 5th to 7th rankings since as soon as he keeps on winning, the boxing council itself will recognize him.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 27, 2023, 06:59:37 PM

Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

Casimero's camp needs to work it out and find a best fighter to negotiate, he needed to keep winning to bring his name up and gain the interest from the top rank fighters, so far, there's no update yet regarding to Casimero's next fight maybe it will be announce once they close a schedule and a sign contract was done.

Waiting to hear some good news for Casimero as he's not getting any younger, better to keep chasing to earn the spot of being top challenger for the belt.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 26, 2023, 07:25:16 AM

Beterbiev is 38 years old, and Yarde is 31 years old. Big difference in the age gap but Yarde said he is faster and younger and although Beterbiev is undefeated he will take advantage of this opportunity given to him. 3 titles in one match, this will be a big one if he wins this match. A big "if".

Power > Speed (at least for me)

Speed doesn't matter for me if you can get knocked out in one power punch by your opponent. Beterbiev isn't throwing that much punches, but each of his punches is very strong that it can knock you out. That's why all of Beterbiev's wins are all coming from Knockout.

On the other hand, let's still not forget that anything can happen in basketball as well as in boxing. We've seen some upsets in the past years and this fight might be as well, but the chances of it to happen? Close to zero and even though the odds are kind of low, I might put a bet on Beterbiev on this one

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Yes, anytime that a boxer has power, he is really very dangerous as he can game the complexion of the fight. Just like what we have seen in the Ruiz vs Joshua I. Anthony Joshua was dominating until he was hit with that one punch and it was literally over for him as he can't recover from that.

But in this case, the favorite has the power, maybe Yarde has the speed, but if he can't catch Beterbiev, then his speed is negated.

It need to hit something, so let's see tomorrow night if I'm not mistaken US time.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 28, 2023, 01:35:36 AM

I put my money on Beterbiev too as I don't believe speed can win fights in boxing. The KO puncher is what I am always expecting to win matches like this.
But, the odds are too low and it's not really rewarding so I am making it a parlay on the co-main event between Artem Dalakian vs David Jimenez.
I got a total of @1.94 because of that.
Well, I just need Dalakian to win first then we will see if the parlay will connect. Because the bookies seem really sure that Beterbiev will win the next one.
It also gives me a window for cash out if ever the fight goes sideways on my bet.

Although Dalakian is a favorited boxer, but Jimenez shouldn't be underestimated because he have high KO rate and have fight with a strong boxer e.g. Rafael Sandoval. Rafael Sandoval is one of strong boxer in flyweight bout and have a good record too, it was a close fight but Jimenez still win via majority decision. The fight may likely not end via knock out, but I expect it will be close and maybe the judges could end the fight with controversial scores.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 27, 2023, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 26, 2023, 07:25:16 AM

Beterbiev is 38 years old, and Yarde is 31 years old. Big difference in the age gap but Yarde said he is faster and younger and although Beterbiev is undefeated he will take advantage of this opportunity given to him. 3 titles in one match, this will be a big one if he wins this match. A big "if".

Power > Speed (at least for me)

Speed doesn't matter for me if you can get knocked out in one power punch by your opponent. Beterbiev isn't throwing that much punches, but each of his punches is very strong that it can knock you out. That's why all of Beterbiev's wins are all coming from Knockout.

On the other hand, let's still not forget that anything can happen in basketball as well as in boxing. We've seen some upsets in the past years and this fight might be as well, but the chances of it to happen? Close to zero and even though the odds are kind of low, I might put a bet on Beterbiev on this one

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I put my money on Beterbiev too as I don't believe speed can win fights in boxing. The KO puncher is what I am always expecting to win matches like this.
But, the odds are too low and it's not really rewarding so I am making it a parlay on the co-main event between Artem Dalakian vs David Jimenez.
I got a total of @1.94 because of that.
Well, I just need Dalakian to win first then we will see if the parlay will connect. Because the bookies seem really sure that Beterbiev will win the next one.
It also gives me a window for cash out if ever the fight goes sideways on my bet.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 26, 2023, 07:25:16 AM

Beterbiev is 38 years old, and Yarde is 31 years old. Big difference in the age gap but Yarde said he is faster and younger and although Beterbiev is undefeated he will take advantage of this opportunity given to him. 3 titles in one match, this will be a big one if he wins this match. A big "if".

Power > Speed (at least for me)

Speed doesn't matter for me if you can get knocked out in one power punch by your opponent. Beterbiev isn't throwing that much punches, but each of his punches is very strong that it can knock you out. That's why all of Beterbiev's wins are all coming from Knockout.

On the other hand, let's still not forget that anything can happen in basketball as well as in boxing. We've seen some upsets in the past years and this fight might be as well, but the chances of it to happen? Close to zero and even though the odds are kind of low, I might put a bet on Beterbiev on this one

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Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

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What's done and done and that match won't happen again. I don't think that he'll ever chase Casimero as he's done with him, and Casimero's career.
He still got a few years left to prove himself and I'm sure that the fire that he's got inside after the two losses that he's got from Inoue, it will brought on with the possible upcoming fight that he's got for the vacated title that Inoue has left.

The only boxer I see winning because he punches to the back of the head although it is just a graze because the real thing that happens is Ryo Akaho just acted that Casimero hit him in the back of his head, yeah acting that he was hit on the back of the head, this is because Akaho was a great and brilliant actor that I think deserves an award,

Well, John Riel Casimero can not change the past any more than fight with Paul Butler and after that a clash with Naoya Inoue I think it will never happen because Naoya Inoue is now going up the division to unified the belts in that division aswell, if he can,

Quote from: Kemarit on January 25, 2023, 11:32:42 AM

I like this fight because Casimero and Nery if I'm not mistaken, has been talking trash even before Casimero moved to 122 lbs. But it was during that time that Nery won the WBC super bantamweight title in 2020. However, he lost the belt to Brandon Figueroa in his next fight and the two stop their public brawl. But I still wouldn't mind seeing a Mexican warrior fought Casimero now. It will be a good name for Casimero if he wins against Nery and he could be a step closer to his goal of fighting for a belt in super bantamweight, so yeah, why not.

There is no official news or announcement about that fight, but these two are getting on beef at each other on social media, and many are surely intrigued about the situation that these two are getting at, may be a great fight to see and an opportunity for John Riel Casimero to get up the rankings faster, but I really doubt Luis Nery would fight a lower rank Casimero and risk it just because of their beef, but who knows, some sponsor would surely like to see that fight and maybe we could see that for sure, in the future,

On the contrary, Nery will be facing Azat Hovhannisyan on February 18.

And if ever he wins this fight, he is looking at both champions, Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev to be his next opponent and claim his belt back.

I haven't check Hovhannisyan but he seems to be rated number 2 by WBC and number 1 by WBA, so he is a great boxer. And with that, I'm seeing a great war between this two, might go for the full 12 rounds though.

I would like to see another war here, Nery is known to be a warrior, just check his fight with Brandon Figueroa. Just two boxers going at each other and throwing leather and not playing any defense hehehe.

So I do agree that this fight might go to 12 rounds or Hovhannisyan though is the older of the two and maybe bettors should look at this factor, just saying. But he is more a methodical fighter as compare to Nery who just throw bombs after bombs. So it's a clash of styles that's why this fight is going to be good to watch.

On the contrary, I have change my mind, I'm seeing that Hovhannisyan has a good chance to score a knockout hehehe.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on January 27, 2023, 06:12:21 PM

That super champion is the shortcut for Inoue to move up and be the top contender on the next weight division. We may call it perk or advantage but still, it is a shortcut because he is cutting lines of the top contender on that division to fight for the title bout.

I don't think we can consider it a shortcut. Cutting lines on other contenders? Honestly, Inoue is already overqualified that's why it just makes sense for him to be up against a champion already at the Super Bantamweight. Again, 118 to 122 doesn't really have that difference that's why it should be obvious that Inoue, after moving up to 122 as a unified bantamweight champion with no loss record, can consider a top contender already at that weight.

Honestly, just be grateful since Bob Arum agrees to negotiate this fight as early as Inoue moved up since as we know, Arum's Top Rank doesn't really do business with PBC. They gave the fans the most requested fight once Inoue moved up and we will now witness it in a few months.

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