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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 23, 2024, 12:28:46 AM

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@inthelongrun - it's inevitable though, but Ukrainians are champion right now at 135 lbs. So it can only make sense if they are going to fight and put aside their nationality. But let's see, I mean if they are going to be forced by governing body or if the fight really make sense for the money, then for sure they will go and oblige to face each other in the future. At least in the end, it will still be the Ukrainians that are going to win.

The governing bodies have no right to issue or force unifications so it will be about the money for sure. And as you said, the winner will still be a Ukrainian. But so far, Berinchyk is the least popular among champions consisting of Loma, Tank and Shakur. Tank has the biggest fanbase but we'll see if he is interested in unifying the belts. I felt bad or annoyed on Tank because he keeps on ducking the other champions. He is nearing 30 already. He is so rich but without solid accomplishments he will be forgotten once he retires.

I think they do, they can enforce or stripped anyone if they wanted, but the thing is that they don't want to. We all love to see Tank against those champion and I think even Berinchyk will have a good chance. However, I do agree that Davis is just contented of fighting nobody maybe except Ryan Garcia but we all know that Ryan is dehydrated on that fight. Although Frank Martin is a decent fight for him, nothing is better than facing champion or a unification fight. But his camp doesn't want to risk his 0.

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The division right now seems complicated and could be hard to unify. Tank seems uninterested. Loma is aging and will most likely choose the biggest offer and might duck the young talent but boring Shakur. Berinchyk has no name yet so he is the easiest to negotiate. It might need Saudi's Alalshikh to unify all the belts in the division once again.

Again, it will be still interesting if they will just fight against each other. But it's not that easy, and who knows, maybe HE Alalshikh might involved himself in the lower division for the first time and this is the weight class that he wanted to see some action with those great names.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 22, 2024, 06:19:35 AM

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@inthelongrun - it's inevitable though, but Ukrainians are champion right now at 135 lbs. So it can only make sense if they are going to fight and put aside their nationality. But let's see, I mean if they are going to be forced by governing body or if the fight really make sense for the money, then for sure they will go and oblige to face each other in the future. At least in the end, it will still be the Ukrainians that are going to win.

The governing bodies have no right to issue or force unifications so it will be about the money for sure. And as you said, the winner will still be a Ukrainian. But so far, Berinchyk is the least popular among champions consisting of Loma, Tank and Shakur. Tank has the biggest fanbase but we'll see if he is interested in unifying the belts. I felt bad or annoyed on Tank because he keeps on ducking the other champions. He is nearing 30 already. He is so rich but without solid accomplishments he will be forgotten once he retires.

The division right now seems complicated and could be hard to unify. Tank seems uninterested. Loma is aging and will most likely choose the biggest offer and might duck the young talent but boring Shakur. Berinchyk has no name yet so he is the easiest to negotiate. It might need Saudi's Alalshikh to unify all the belts in the division once again.

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I do think that it could be a smooth negotiations for either of the two, even if Shakur doesn't want to renew his contract although it could be a bottle neck as Shakur might want to get more what Arum will offer to him.

At this stage of his career, Loma doesn't need a Shakur type of fighter because that could only make him look bad in the ring as Shakur's lateral movement doesn't fit for Loma's style of boxing. Loma vs Tank Davis is the best fight for now for Loma as both fighters are crowd drawers and bring good money for either fighter though the negotiation for this fight is hard.

Isn't the fight between Shakur and Loma also part of Bob Arum plan, if these two fighters meet, it could trigger really big hype because many people are also discussing the fight between the two.
But who knows what will happen next, we see how it plays out in this ongoing drama but I sure fight between these two fighters can make more money too.
There are plenty of opportunities that could be created and there is vacant title to justify the fight, title unification could actually happen in the future.

After all, Shakur was great fighter and he had his heyday as an undefeated great fighter at young age.
Just look at how he beat Edwin De Los Santos when fighting for the WBC lightweight title, he put on really great fight.

As far as I know, Shakur will have his last fight with Top Rank against Artem Harutyunyan. And after that he said publicly that he will not extend his contract with Top Rank. So the fight with Loma could be in jeopardy.

@inthelongrun - it's inevitable though, but Ukrainians are champion right now at 135 lbs. So it can only make sense if they are going to fight and put aside their nationality. But let's see, I mean if they are going to be forced by governing body or if the fight really make sense for the money, then for sure they will go and oblige to face each other in the future. At least in the end, it will still be the Ukrainians that are going to win.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 20, 2024, 11:26:19 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 19, 2024, 02:50:26 AM

If Loma wants money then obviously it is Tank Davis due to its huge fanbase. Navarette lost his bid to become champion at 135 today so he is out of Loma's radar while new WBO champ Berinchyk is another Ukrainian that has no fanbase in the western world. We saw how boring Shakur's last fight and there will be less fans in his next fight. Which is why Shakur is hyping himself now, calling the bigger names.

Even if a fight with Berinchyk was marketable, I doubt two Ukranian fighters would really fight each other unless it was absolutely necessary. Picking Tank over Shakur seems like the most logical option. It is the fight which will draw the most fans because of the potential to be an exciting fight. As good as Shakur is, his style is just not appealing in this era where people want to see sensational knockouts.

It all depends on whether Tank is serious about wanting to fight Loma. It’s unclear how much involvement Floyd still has in Tank’s career, but there is some clear animosity between them. Hopefully, Tank will free himself from Mayweather’s control and start making his own decisions. Floyd has been holding him back by being so overprotective.

I am also curious if they're both willing to unify each other. I remember when the Klitschko brothers owned all the belts at heavyweight but are not willing to fight each other. I can't even remember an all Ukrainian world title fight. Wladimir Klitschko nearly had to face his countryman Sascha Dimitrenko for the WBO mandatory but the latter was upset in the eliminator.

I am not sure if Tank still has a contract with Floyd Mayweather but yeah, lately they're not in good terms. But even without Floyd, I cannot hear Tank saying he wants to unify the belts or fight the other champs.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 19, 2024, 02:50:26 AM

If Loma wants money then obviously it is Tank Davis due to its huge fanbase. Navarette lost his bid to become champion at 135 today so he is out of Loma's radar while new WBO champ Berinchyk is another Ukrainian that has no fanbase in the western world. We saw how boring Shakur's last fight and there will be less fans in his next fight. Which is why Shakur is hyping himself now, calling the bigger names.

Even if a fight with Berinchyk was marketable, I doubt two Ukranian fighters would really fight each other unless it was absolutely necessary. Picking Tank over Shakur seems like the most logical option. It is the fight which will draw the most fans because of the potential to be an exciting fight. As good as Shakur is, his style is just not appealing in this era where people want to see sensational knockouts.

It all depends on whether Tank is serious about wanting to fight Loma. It’s unclear how much involvement Floyd still has in Tank’s career, but there is some clear animosity between them. Hopefully, Tank will free himself from Mayweather’s control and start making his own decisions. Floyd has been holding him back by being so overprotective.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 18, 2024, 08:02:11 PM

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I do think that it could be a smooth negotiations for either of the two, even if Shakur doesn't want to renew his contract although it could be a bottle neck as Shakur might want to get more what Arum will offer to him.

At this stage of his career, Loma doesn't need a Shakur type of fighter because that could only make him look bad in the ring as Shakur's lateral movement doesn't fit for Loma's style of boxing. Loma vs Tank Davis is the best fight for now for Loma as both fighters are crowd drawers and bring good money for either fighter though the negotiation for this fight is hard.

Isn't the fight between Shakur and Loma also part of Bob Arum plan, if these two fighters meet, it could trigger really big hype because many people are also discussing the fight between the two.
But who knows what will happen next, we see how it plays out in this ongoing drama but I sure fight between these two fighters can make more money too.
There are plenty of opportunities that could be created and there is vacant title to justify the fight, title unification could actually happen in the future.

After all, Shakur was great fighter and he had his heyday as an undefeated great fighter at young age.
Just look at how he beat Edwin De Los Santos when fighting for the WBC lightweight title, he put on really great fight.

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At this stage of his career, Loma doesn't need a Shakur type of fighter because that could only make him look bad in the ring as Shakur's lateral movement doesn't fit for Loma's style of boxing. Loma vs Tank Davis is the best fight for now for Loma as both fighters are crowd drawers and bring good money for either fighter though the negotiation for this fight is hard.

Wouldn't that be a challenge to him which would make him more stronger right? I think that it would make him more famous for trying to fight boxers that are of a different playstyle or where he's at a disadvantage, people would love to watch that one in my opinion and that would probably make him more money compare that with Tank Davis where the money is good but when he fights Shakur, that would probably get his boxing career go up to a newer heights but then again, it's up to how Lomachenko's management will deal with this one or what can be their strategy.

I haven't heard of a mid 30s fighter became better. Loma is obviously on the decline although he is still good because he is special. He has enough credentials to enter the Hall of Fame once he retires so there is definitely no need to prove unless he is wanting to gain more money.

If Loma wants money then obviously it is Tank Davis due to its huge fanbase. Navarette lost his bid to become champion at 135 today so he is out of Loma's radar while new WBO champ Berinchyk is another Ukrainian that has no fanbase in the western world. We saw how boring Shakur's last fight and there will be less fans in his next fight. Which is why Shakur is hyping himself now, calling the bigger names.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 18, 2024, 08:02:11 PM

At this stage of his career, Loma doesn't need a Shakur type of fighter because that could only make him look bad in the ring as Shakur's lateral movement doesn't fit for Loma's style of boxing. Loma vs Tank Davis is the best fight for now for Loma as both fighters are crowd drawers and bring good money for either fighter though the negotiation for this fight is hard.

Wouldn't that be a challenge to him which would make him more stronger right? I think that it would make him more famous for trying to fight boxers that are of a different playstyle or where he's at a disadvantage, people would love to watch that one in my opinion and that would probably make him more money compare that with Tank Davis where the money is good but when he fights Shakur, that would probably get his boxing career go up to a newer heights but then again, it's up to how Lomachenko's management will deal with this one or what can be their strategy.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 18, 2024, 06:16:49 PM

I do think that it could be a smooth negotiations for either of the two, even if Shakur doesn't want to renew his contract although it could be a bottle neck as Shakur might want to get more what Arum will offer to him.

At this stage of his career, Loma doesn't need a Shakur type of fighter because that could only make him look bad in the ring as Shakur's lateral movement doesn't fit for Loma's style of boxing. Loma vs Tank Davis is the best fight for now for Loma as both fighters are crowd drawers and bring good money for either fighter though the negotiation for this fight is hard.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 18, 2024, 04:34:26 AM

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Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

I still believed he still has a couple of fights inside of him, maybe a Davis or Shakur might will cemented his legacy. Just imagine if Loma at this age will beat both of those young and great fighters.

It's too early for him to retire, if he wants to make more money, then he should take the opportunity to earn that while he is now the champion. It would be easier for him to find an opponent since he is a champion, maybe if he lose that's the time for retire, but for now, he should have a big fight next. Davis or Shakur are good but I prefer to see Davis as the latter is very popular than Shakur, and imagine if Loma would beat him.

Yes, and it seems that will be the plan by Bob Arum for Loma, either to give him Tank Davis, which is a good matchup for Loma as we will see against this technical skills against a power puncher like Davis. Or Shakur Stevenson, although others doesn't like this matchup because Shakur is someone who plays defense and it could be boring and a snoozefest fight for boxing fans. So hopefully, after the Tank Davis fight and he won against Frank Martin, Top Rank will wait and open a discussions with Team Davis so that him and Loma can fight maybe at the end of the year.

It's because that is the logical fight for Loma this point in his career. Admit it or not, although he says that he still wanted to be a unified champion everything boils down to money as what Bob Arum says. And this is the only fighters that can give Loma millions again and so this is what Arum wanted for Loma.

I do think that it could be a smooth negotiations for either of the two, even if Shakur doesn't want to renew his contract although it could be a bottle neck as Shakur might want to get more what Arum will offer to him.

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Good news for boxing. Jermall Charlo was already stripped of his WBC belt a few days ago. Interim champ Carlos Adames is now the new WBC champion. Maybe it is time for these champion to face each other again so we'll have a new undisputed champ in this division. But I doubt PBC allows Lara and Adames to face Top Rank's unified WBO and IBF champ Janibek Alimkhanuly.

Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

Maybe if he losses this fight against Kambosos, he might be thinking of retiring. But him winning in this kind of fashion, dominating the fight and showing that he still has that technique that he is famous for, I don't see Lomachenko of seriously considering retiring after this big win.

And as what we expect, either Davis or Shakur will be good for him. It's going to be a acid test for either this young fighter to face one of the best at 135 lbs and Lomachenko still commands respect at this division and so both fighters would like to test themselves against the great Lomachenko and it's good to have his name in their resume. Lomachenko might not be the cash cow, but he is still the gold standard as far as lightweight division goes.

In that fight, it was Kambosos who would probably retire. Some are suggesting that Loma should retire now while he is still ahead because he is getting older already and might suffer a loss against a younger champion. But for me, I like to see him challenge Tank Davis or accept a challenge just for us to know if Tank Davis could really beat a technical fighter like Loma.

What we are reading now is probably just rumors but this is close to reality as they are on the same division, and fans would always want to see a unification fight of both champions, so PPV revenue is already guaranteed.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 13, 2024, 05:54:57 AM

Good news for boxing. Jermall Charlo was already stripped of his WBC belt a few days ago. Interim champ Carlos Adames is now the new WBC champion. Maybe it is time for these champion to face each other again so we'll have a new undisputed champ in this division. But I doubt PBC allows Lara and Adames to face Top Rank's unified WBO and IBF champ Janibek Alimkhanuly.

Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

Maybe if he losses this fight against Kambosos, he might be thinking of retiring. But him winning in this kind of fashion, dominating the fight and showing that he still has that technique that he is famous for, I don't see Lomachenko of seriously considering retiring after this big win.

And as what we expect, either Davis or Shakur will be good for him. It's going to be a acid test for either this young fighter to face one of the best at 135 lbs and Lomachenko still commands respect at this division and so both fighters would like to test themselves against the great Lomachenko and it's good to have his name in their resume. Lomachenko might not be the cash cow, but he is still the gold standard as far as lightweight division goes.

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Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

I still believed he still has a couple of fights inside of him, maybe a Davis or Shakur might will cemented his legacy. Just imagine if Loma at this age will beat both of those young and great fighters.

It's too early for him to retire, if he wants to make more money, then he should take the opportunity to earn that while he is now the champion. It would be easier for him to find an opponent since he is a champion, maybe if he lose that's the time for retire, but for now, he should have a big fight next. Davis or Shakur are good but I prefer to see Davis as the latter is very popular than Shakur, and imagine if Loma would beat him.

Yes, and it seems that will be the plan by Bob Arum for Loma, either to give him Tank Davis, which is a good matchup for Loma as we will see against this technical skills against a power puncher like Davis. Or Shakur Stevenson, although others doesn't like this matchup because Shakur is someone who plays defense and it could be boring and a snoozefest fight for boxing fans. So hopefully, after the Tank Davis fight and he won against Frank Martin, Top Rank will wait and open a discussions with Team Davis so that him and Loma can fight maybe at the end of the year.

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Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

I still believed he still has a couple of fights inside of him, maybe a Davis or Shakur might will cemented his legacy. Just imagine if Loma at this age will beat both of those young and great fighters.

It's too early for him to retire, if he wants to make more money, then he should take the opportunity to earn that while he is now the champion. It would be easier for him to find an opponent since he is a champion, maybe if he lose that's the time for retire, but for now, he should have a big fight next. Davis or Shakur are good but I prefer to see Davis as the latter is very popular than Shakur, and imagine if Loma would beat him.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 13, 2024, 05:54:57 AM

Good news for boxing. Jermall Charlo was already stripped of his WBC belt a few days ago. Interim champ Carlos Adames is now the new WBC champion. Maybe it is time for these champion to face each other again so we'll have a new undisputed champ in this division. But I doubt PBC allows Lara and Adames to face Top Rank's unified WBO and IBF champ Janibek Alimkhanuly.

At least, finally we will see a new champion as Charlo has been a champion but he didn't defend it against his mandatory, so it's like he held the belt hostage for many years. The only name I recognized is Lara though. But he is old if I'm not mistaken and could be lucky that he has a belt right now. But it open up the division obviously and hopefully there could be unification fight as well.

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 13, 2024, 05:54:57 AM

Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

I still believed he still has a couple of fights inside of him, maybe a Davis or Shakur might will cemented his legacy. Just imagine if Loma at this age will beat both of those young and great fighters.

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Good news for boxing. Jermall Charlo was already stripped of his WBC belt a few days ago. Interim champ Carlos Adames is now the new WBC champion. Maybe it is time for these champion to face each other again so we'll have a new undisputed champ in this division. But I doubt PBC allows Lara and Adames to face Top Rank's unified WBO and IBF champ Janibek Alimkhanuly.

Last weekend, we saw the great Lomachenko became champion again by methodically breaking down ex unified champion George Kambosos. I want to see Loma retiring. He has nothing to prove in this division and I highly doubt he unifies all the belts as he is already running out of time.

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There is a video circulating about Haney and Tank getting into a heated argument,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jq3oMrHUQLo

Lol, only to settle their beef is to really face each other and fight. Although Tank is at 135 lbs and Haney move up to 140 lbs, maybe they can face each other at a catch weight? Or better yet, Tank goes to 140 lbs, he already fight once at this division when he fought Barrios.

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And if Ryan Garcia vs Errol Spence happen this year, another money fight for Ryan and as what we have seen, he is becoming a cash cow and Oscar is going to be happy to see him fight Spence and for sure they are going to oblige but we will see who will be the A-side and hopefully we get some news about the split and some details.

However, there are news that the Garcia vs Haney fight did only around 500,000 PPV, way below the projected numbers of around 1 million.

But they say the source of the data is not to be trusted, - Rick Glaser.

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And so Ryan is still cashing out from his popularity, now Spence is his target. Gonna be 50/50 as Spence is already damage and damage badly by Crawford and it's hard to make a comeback from that kind of beating unless you fight a so-so fighter as a tune-up fight. But if Spence goes after Ryan, then he could still be mentally damage as Ryan is strong at 147 lbs and I think he can bring that power to that division. But let's see, the table is now on Spence to answer Ryan, and see if he doesn't want any part of him right now and will go for a easy fight next just to shake that cobwebs and gain the confidence back.

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@inthelongrun. This is my reply in King Ry vs. Haney thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64042433

I reckon if that is correct, everyone who has said many negative things will feel stupid again very much similar when they felt stupid after King Ry's victory because they have been tricked again by team Ryan heehhehe.

And then again Ryan is cleared for the banned substance. The sentence about his being suspended for 24 months I guess is just something they will have to void. I'm not sure if it's true actually but that was just what I've read on some news.

This accusation is just from Haney conspiring with some agencies because he is just too hurt. A very sour boy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2024/05/08/ryan-garcia-has-been-cleared-for-1-ped-but-what-about-the-ostarine/

And with that, Ryan is calling out Errol Spence,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1788363658743194089

Haney should move forward already, it's very obvious that even without this PED or whatnot in Ryan Garcia's system, he can't win that fight as Garcia is too big and that left hook of him is lethal and very fast that Haney although prepared, wasn't able to cover.

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