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Quote from: Hirose UK on June 17, 2024, 03:20:31 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:58:15 PM

Let's see, Inoue seems to be pushing for greatness as well and maybe if Tank is willing to stay at 135 lbs and then waits for Inoue to go up in weight. Maybe this kind of hypothetical fight is going to happen.

But the question is how long Tank Davis will have to wait for it and whether he will really be willing to do all that, at his current weight Tank Davis has achieved many great achievements and holding on will also not bring satisfaction in his career.
There is possibility that Tank Davis will move up in weight and fight up class to fight for another title, but who knows whether Tank Davis will remain the same as his previous his stance or decide to try to meet Inoue in the future.
What is clear is that both of them are currently the best fighters in their respective classes and they will move up in class to be able to hunt for more championship titles, at their current age, Inoue and Tank Davis have bright future by collecting more wins and holding several other titles.

It just that if they actually meet I will make Tank Davis the favorite in their fight because obviously Tank Davis is much more used to the weight that Inoue will be aiming for.

To be honest, he hasn't done anything yet in the 135 lbs division and what others have said, he is a paper champ here. He didn't face Haney at this division, and then we have Shakur and Loma still lurking. Loma is a regular champion now and so there is a chance that Davis could step up and fight Loma or even Shakur. And in this fight, he weigh in at a slim and trim 133 lbs, so meaning he can still make weight here and probably have time to make it in the next coming years. And I don't think that money will be a problem as for sure there will be a lot of promotions or even the Saudi to cover for this big fight if Davis wants it.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on June 17, 2024, 03:20:31 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:58:15 PM

Let's see, Inoue seems to be pushing for greatness as well and maybe if Tank is willing to stay at 135 lbs and then waits for Inoue to go up in weight. Maybe this kind of hypothetical fight is going to happen.

But the question is how long Tank Davis will have to wait for it and whether he will really be willing to do all that, at his current weight Tank Davis has achieved many great achievements and holding on will also not bring satisfaction in his career.
There is possibility that Tank Davis will move up in weight and fight up class to fight for another title, but who knows whether Tank Davis will remain the same as his previous his stance or decide to try to meet Inoue in the future.
What is clear is that both of them are currently the best fighters in their respective classes and they will move up in class to be able to hunt for more championship titles, at their current age, Inoue and Tank Davis have bright future by collecting more wins and holding several other titles.

It just that if they actually meet I will make Tank Davis the favorite in their fight because obviously Tank Davis is much more used to the weight that Inoue will be aiming for.

Davis is one of the best fighters in the world, but Inoue is currently the best fighter in Japan. As long as Inoue continues fighting in Japan, he won't achieve the same level of popularity that Davis enjoys. Although he is currently the top pound-for-pound boxer according to records, he will not be in the Hall of Fame if he doesn't take bigger risks and push his limits.

Tank Davis could move up in weight, but he might end up like Pacquiao due to his height. Honestly, I don't see him being better than Pacquiao in his prime, so he might not move up much and will just stay in his comfort zone.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:58:15 PM

Let's see, Inoue seems to be pushing for greatness as well and maybe if Tank is willing to stay at 135 lbs and then waits for Inoue to go up in weight. Maybe this kind of hypothetical fight is going to happen.

But the question is how long Tank Davis will have to wait for it and whether he will really be willing to do all that, at his current weight Tank Davis has achieved many great achievements and holding on will also not bring satisfaction in his career.
There is possibility that Tank Davis will move up in weight and fight up class to fight for another title, but who knows whether Tank Davis will remain the same as his previous his stance or decide to try to meet Inoue in the future.
What is clear is that both of them are currently the best fighters in their respective classes and they will move up in class to be able to hunt for more championship titles, at their current age, Inoue and Tank Davis have bright future by collecting more wins and holding several other titles.

It just that if they actually meet I will make Tank Davis the favorite in their fight because obviously Tank Davis is much more used to the weight that Inoue will be aiming for.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2024, 02:28:51 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

It will really cemented their legacy specially for the winner of this fight and I think it will be bigger than Tank vs King Ry specially if Inoue can continue to win and become a champion and dominated his opponent, similar to what Tank Davis might also do.

So it will be good though, no matter how you look at it and then we have the comparison again with Manny Pacquiao going up in weight limit and then punishing Miguel Cotto at his best weight class. So this is very much possible to happen, hopefully both can sit down and talk if the opportunity presents itself.

I very much agree, especially if the Japanese fans want to compare him to Pacman. Inoue should accept great challenged vs. great boxers who might be bigger than him. However, if he is happy to be less than Pacman and all of the great boxers then this is also okay. But the Japanese fans should never say that Inoue is on a similar level as Pacman. Also, I am aware that this is arguable, but I reckon Mayweather is lesser than Pacman in boxing greatness.

Also, another comparison is Pacman vs. Antonio Margarito who is very much bigger than Pacman. After he won the championship against him, Pacman said he can keep the championship because he will not fight in the heavier middleweight division again hehehehe.

In terms of magnitude of a fight, yes we can compare Pacman the bigger Margarito and then simply demolishing him with his fast hands as Margarito is too slow. But that's it, I think Davis is the bigger and the faster guy at 135 lbs if they are going to fight in the future.

Let's see, Inoue seems to be pushing for greatness as well and maybe if Tank is willing to stay at 135 lbs and then waits for Inoue to go up in weight. Maybe this kind of hypothetical fight is going to happen.

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 13, 2024, 08:25:26 PM

^^ That is going to be huge if they will have their new organization and maybe take out all the corruption with just one body. But I don't think that the governing body will approved it though. They might have to compete with them and it's up to the promoters like Matchroom, GBP and Top Rank and PBC on how they are going to help set up this big league from the Saudis.

And who can refuse it? With billions on their hand and the whole government behind HE Turki Alalshikh, for sure this can be done and done right. Probably this is going to happen in the next 2 years.

The plan is to buy out the whole boxing organization so it's very ambitious already, but we will see what will be the reaction of the governing bodies here. But yes, maybe they are going to be offered with huge money that they can't refuse. So here is another moved by them,

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8J9V4QCISU/

They make Crawford, Jarod Anderson and Hamza Sheeraz as their ambassador. So meaning this fighters are going to promote Saudi now.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 14, 2024, 04:46:07 AM

To be fair, I don't see Inoue backing down from any challenges, he has tasted the canvass already and so it might make him hungry and motivated the next time and doesn't want that to happen to him. But we really don't know though on the side of Tank Davis. He has publicity said that he will not fight Inoue because Inoue is too small for him. Although he said that will be a fun fight.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lCYj39ZAi9E

Davis is just trying to jump on the popularity of Inoue so he'll be talked about again. I mean, Inoue is currently at the top of the pound-for-pound rankings, so he is one of the most popular boxers now. We don't yet know Inoue's side..whether he is ready to accept the challenge from Davis. If that does happen, I think it is a risky move for Inoue, as he could choose an easier path and avoid Tank Davis for now.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 13, 2024, 09:55:16 PM

Also, another comparison is Pacman vs. Antonio Margarito who is very much bigger than Pacman. After he won the championship against him, Pacman said he can keep the championship because he will not fight in the heavier middleweight division again hehehehe.

Pacquiao was really hurt in that fight. He admitted that he took him weeks to recover specially the body blows that he took and there are rounds that he almost knock down from a huge body shot from Margarito.

But Inoue vs Davis is not something similar. Margarito is just too big and too tall for Pacman, that's why Pacman realized that he'll not fight anymore on that division even if he suceeded. Pacman is more like pushing his limit since he isn't undefeated anyway, but Inoue's case is different as he will try to stay undefeated but still winning championships.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 13, 2024, 09:55:16 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2024, 02:28:51 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

It will really cemented their legacy specially for the winner of this fight and I think it will be bigger than Tank vs King Ry specially if Inoue can continue to win and become a champion and dominated his opponent, similar to what Tank Davis might also do.

So it will be good though, no matter how you look at it and then we have the comparison again with Manny Pacquiao going up in weight limit and then punishing Miguel Cotto at his best weight class. So this is very much possible to happen, hopefully both can sit down and talk if the opportunity presents itself.

I very much agree, especially if the Japanese fans want to compare him to Pacman. Inoue should accept great challenged vs. great boxers who might be bigger than him. However, if he is happy to be less than Pacman and all of the great boxers then this is also okay. But the Japanese fans should never say that Inoue is on a similar level as Pacman. Also, I am aware that this is arguable, but I reckon Mayweather is lesser than Pacman in boxing greatness.

To be fair, I don't see Inoue backing down from any challenges, he has tasted the canvass already and so it might make him hungry and motivated the next time and doesn't want that to happen to him. But we really don't know though on the side of Tank Davis. He has publicity said that he will not fight Inoue because Inoue is too small for him. Although he said that will be a fun fight.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lCYj39ZAi9E

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 13, 2024, 09:55:16 PM

Also, another comparison is Pacman vs. Antonio Margarito who is very much bigger than Pacman. After he won the championship against him, Pacman said he can keep the championship because he will not fight in the heavier middleweight division again hehehehe.

Pacquiao was really hurt in that fight. He admitted that he took him weeks to recover specially the body blows that he took and there are rounds that he almost knock down from a huge body shot from Margarito.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 13, 2024, 09:55:16 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2024, 02:28:51 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

It will really cemented their legacy specially for the winner of this fight and I think it will be bigger than Tank vs King Ry specially if Inoue can continue to win and become a champion and dominated his opponent, similar to what Tank Davis might also do.

So it will be good though, no matter how you look at it and then we have the comparison again with Manny Pacquiao going up in weight limit and then punishing Miguel Cotto at his best weight class. So this is very much possible to happen, hopefully both can sit down and talk if the opportunity presents itself.

I very much agree, especially if the Japanese fans want to compare him to Pacman. Inoue should accept great challenged vs. great boxers who might be bigger than him. However, if he is happy to be less than Pacman and all of the great boxers then this is also okay. But the Japanese fans should never say that Inoue is on a similar level as Pacman. Also, I am aware that this is arguable, but I reckon Mayweather is lesser than Pacman in boxing greatness.

Also, another comparison is Pacman vs. Antonio Margarito who is very much bigger than Pacman. After he won the championship against him, Pacman said he can keep the championship because he will not fight in the heavier middleweight division again hehehehe.

And that what separates Manny Pacquaio to the likes of Floyd or even Oscar Dela Hoya, his greatness can't be argued because on how he face bigger opponents than he is. And all of his opponents did underestimated this Asian and thought that they can just bully him. But Pacquiao proved them wrong although he has reach his top I guess when he fought Antonio Margarito and did received a lot of damage although he also dishes one of the worst punishment when he permanently blinded Margarito for life.

So hopefully, Inoue will go up in weight and Tank not backing out for that big challenge. But he has a fish to fry against a more determined Frank Martin this weekend so let's see if Tank is still that destructive.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2024, 02:28:51 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

It will really cemented their legacy specially for the winner of this fight and I think it will be bigger than Tank vs King Ry specially if Inoue can continue to win and become a champion and dominated his opponent, similar to what Tank Davis might also do.

So it will be good though, no matter how you look at it and then we have the comparison again with Manny Pacquiao going up in weight limit and then punishing Miguel Cotto at his best weight class. So this is very much possible to happen, hopefully both can sit down and talk if the opportunity presents itself.

I very much agree, especially if the Japanese fans want to compare him to Pacman. Inoue should accept great challenged vs. great boxers who might be bigger than him. However, if he is happy to be less than Pacman and all of the great boxers then this is also okay. But the Japanese fans should never say that Inoue is on a similar level as Pacman. Also, I am aware that this is arguable, but I reckon Mayweather is lesser than Pacman in boxing greatness.

Also, another comparison is Pacman vs. Antonio Margarito who is very much bigger than Pacman. After he won the championship against him, Pacman said he can keep the championship because he will not fight in the heavier middleweight division again hehehehe.

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^^ That is going to be huge if they will have their new organization and maybe take out all the corruption with just one body. But I don't think that the governing body will approved it though. They might have to compete with them and it's up to the promoters like Matchroom, GBP and Top Rank and PBC on how they are going to help set up this big league from the Saudis.

And who can refuse it? With billions on their hand and the whole government behind HE Turki Alalshikh, for sure this can be done and done right. Probably this is going to happen in the next 2 years.

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Exclusive: Saudi wealth fund holding talks to create boxing league

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Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF) is in discussions with multiple boxing stakeholders to create a league, potentially reshaping the competitive landscape of the sport, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.
PIF is looking to invest in a joint venture with some of the sport's stakeholders that would feature more boxing bouts, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
A handful of leading promoters including Matchroom Boxing and Golden Boy Promotions are involved in the discussions that could result in a deal valuing the new entity between $4-5 billion, one of the people said. PIF wants to create a venture that would bring the main sport's organisers together, in which it would take a minority stake, the person added.

So it's going to be a take-over from the Saudis, but it's obvious that this if forthcoming, I mean they have been holding a lot of big events already in the Middle East. So it's just a matter of time before they become the forefront of boxing.

And from the way I understood it, might be similar to UFC, wherein each weight class will only have 1 champion and unlike the current wherein it's a 4 body (WBC,WBO,IBF, WBA).

What is your thoughts on this?

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 13, 2024, 09:53:34 AM

Apparently they have found the replacement for Mike Tyson and Jake Paul is rumoured to face Mike Perry on 20th July.
I think most would be familiar with Mike Perry, but for those who aren't, he's a former MMA fighter who's now a bare-knuckle fighting superstar.
Given he's not retired as most of Paul's previous opponents, it could be a biggest challenge Paul has faced to date.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-13520037/Jake-Paul-new-opponent-Mike-Tyson-postponed.html

So they already have plans to replace Iron Mike which I think is for the good of him. He tried but fighting at his age is just not for him anymore.
Mike Perry vs Jake Paul is not what people wanted to see but it is what it is if Iron Mike is not going to make it. It's still named Mike though. Perry is 5-0 in BKFC by the way. He improves after UFC, he is still young but I still think he is not enough to win against Jake in boxing.

They should change the rules to MMA, let's see how Jake handles it, he trained with Izzy the last time he bragged about his training. It makes sense since this is LW vs HW.

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Apparently they have found the replacement for Mike Tyson and Jake Paul is rumoured to face Mike Perry on 20th July.
I think most would be familiar with Mike Perry, but for those who aren't, he's a former MMA fighter who's now a bare-knuckle fighting superstar.
Given he's not retired as most of Paul's previous opponents, it could be a biggest challenge Paul has faced to date.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-13520037/Jake-Paul-new-opponent-Mike-Tyson-postponed.html

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

It will really cemented their legacy specially for the winner of this fight and I think it will be bigger than Tank vs King Ry specially if Inoue can continue to win and become a champion and dominated his opponent, similar to what Tank Davis might also do.

So it will be good though, no matter how you look at it and then we have the comparison again with Manny Pacquiao going up in weight limit and then punishing Miguel Cotto at his best weight class. So this is very much possible to happen, hopefully both can sit down and talk if the opportunity presents itself.

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@Hirose UK. I agree on your argument that Inoue does not need this fight, however, I very much disagree that this fight will be worthless if this was negotiated by their teams, approved by the fighters and promoted by the promoters. This will be one of the biggest fights in boxing similar to Tank vs. King Ry. If they are not fighting for a championship, this fight will also be a legacy fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 12, 2024, 01:46:26 AM

@FinneysTrueVision. I will apply to be the personal adviser of Inoue and I will advise him to accept a fight from the scammer Tank Davis with an agreement that this fight will be in super featherweight and Tank should also sign an agreement that he will not be more than 137 pounds after the weight cut and during the fight hehehehe. He will not be very brave to accept this. Tank does not care about boxing. He only wants to take money. Do not pay for his payperviews hehehhehe.

But I think Inoue doesn't need that fight because basically he has got what he wants to achieve success in his career as great, undefeated boxer and has succeeded in holding several titles together.
There is no benefit in making deal with Tank Davis and of course this will just be worthless fight, for money reasons maybe it could be considered but if something bad happens then Inoue name will not be what it is today.
Apart from that, Tank Davis also doesn't need fight with Inoue and if that could be done then of course they would have been able to meet some time ago, Tank Davis also rejected a fight against Inoue when previously there was an offer to meet.
Difference in weight also looks quite large, even though Tank Davis could decrease it or Inoue could increase it, but if this is done then one of them will suffer loss.
In the future it might happen but there will never be any certainty, it just that there is news that Inoue is targeting the class above him.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 12, 2024, 12:49:02 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 07, 2024, 05:15:09 AM

Potential fight in the horizon?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/07/cPHGj.png

https://x.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1798977039317467432

One of the dream fights for sure as boxing fans wanted to see this hypothetical fight happening in the future. In case though, how do you see the odds here? Who will be the favorite?

@Finestream - that is the true odds for now, so much disrespect for Estrada though.

Inoue doesn’t need this fight as much as Davis does. Inoue is a top pound for pound fighter with a hall of fame worth resume. Tank should be more focused on champions that are in the divisions he competes in like Loma and Shakur, but it is very clear that he is avoiding them. There is absolutely no reason for Inoue to make all kinds of concessions to give Tank an advantage.

If PBC wants to make that fight, Tank should be the one going down in weight or at least agree to a reasonable catchweight. There is also no obligation for Inoue to go to Tank’s country. They can make it happen on neutral territory, like Saudi Arabia.

Tank Davis might be wise though and will not go on a catch weight, he will demand a full class weight of 135 lbs because that's what Tank Davis most comfortable weight. Well it's because of the news that Inoue is walking about 137 lbs off season that this dream fight might have happen.

But Tank will go up in weight for sure at 140 lbs if he can't secure any good fight at 135 lbs. And Inoue might stay at the range of 126 lbs to 130 lbs and conquer more belts. However, if there's so much money in the line like Saudi sponsoring this kind of dream fight so maybe Inoue is willing to go.

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@FinneysTrueVision. I will apply to be the personal adviser of Inoue and I will advise him to accept a fight from the scammer Tank Davis with an agreement that this fight will be in super featherweight and Tank should also sign an agreement that he will not be more than 137 pounds after the weight cut and during the fight hehehehe. He will not be very brave to accept this. Tank does not care about boxing. He only wants to take money. Do not pay for his payperviews hehehhehe.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 07, 2024, 05:15:09 AM

Potential fight in the horizon?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/07/cPHGj.png

https://x.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1798977039317467432

One of the dream fights for sure as boxing fans wanted to see this hypothetical fight happening in the future. In case though, how do you see the odds here? Who will be the favorite?

@Finestream - that is the true odds for now, so much disrespect for Estrada though.

Inoue doesn’t need this fight as much as Davis does. Inoue is a top pound for pound fighter with a hall of fame worth resume. Tank should be more focused on champions that are in the divisions he competes in like Loma and Shakur, but it is very clear that he is avoiding them. There is absolutely no reason for Inoue to make all kinds of concessions to give Tank an advantage.

If PBC wants to make that fight, Tank should be the one going down in weight or at least agree to a reasonable catchweight. There is also no obligation for Inoue to go to Tank’s country. They can make it happen on neutral territory, like Saudi Arabia.

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It's almost zero chance of Naoya Inoue to face Tank Davis in the future. Tank might even move up to 140 or catchweight below 140 once he enters in his 30s. And as for Inoue, 126 could be his last or he tries at 130 like Pacman did at 154 and then drop down again in weight. This is just like Bob Arum speculating the possibility of Nonito Donaire facing then undefeated Yuriorkis Gamboa at 130. It didn't happened. The weight difference is just too much. Inoue first became champion at 108 while Tank became champ at 130 which is 6 divisions apart.

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