Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 22. (Read 27989 times)

Oh! there is a thread in the forum but that is just for the Artur Beterbiev VS Callum Smith fight and we could surely discuss some of the fights in that event sure this is the whole event I am posting here anyway already edited my post and I included robelneo's thread in my post and for sure people in this thread will also see it, anyway that fight is something to look forward to next week will be a great week as we are witnessing the power of Artur Beterbiev once more, and many fans would love to see Artur Beterbiev VS Dmitry Bivol fight instead but because of conflict it will not happen,


Here is the full card in Tapology, https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/106875-ortiz-vs-lawson

I haven't seen this fight if you didn't post it here, but for sure this fight is something like Vergil Ortiz Jr. is still undefeated against Fredrick Lawson which is not that kind of interesting because for sure Fredrick Lawson is a picked fight for Ortiz Jr. right now the younger Ortiz needs to increase his confidence for sure he is 25 years old while Lawson is already at his 34 years, for sure a younger Vergil Ortiz Jr. can win this while next fight  Ohara Davies looks buff for his opponent as he just has 2 losses and still in his 31st of age while Ismael Barroso is at 40 years and his fight against Rolly or Rolando Romero is a picked one for sure but Barroso is really wanting to fight, for sure Ismael Barroso is the El Cucui of boxing for the UFC he is the Tony Ferguson in boxing

Pacman is a great fighter yes!  And in addition he tricked his opponent into a catch weight that makes his advantage even more. Imagine fighting a dehydrated heavier opponent.  .  Well at least that is one of the issue I read about the reason why some of the boxing fans does not consider Manny's win as legit since he get the title fighting at a lower weight limit.


It does make sense, in order to attract people in the place where venue is located, they need to choose the native of that country after all boxing event needs to profit.

So I guess Casimero need to wait in line before he is given the chance. (or probably might not happen at all)

Oh yeah? John Riel Casimero's manager was Japanese and he was Masayuki Ito, a former world champion and Treasure promotion big boss, that is why the camp of Naoya Inoue was really hesitant in accepting the fight against Casimero I think they are asking why Masayuki Ito wants to promote John Riel Casimero I think they are baffled by it but because Treasure big boss wants a fight to happen for sure it will happen well, thanks for sharing this I didn't realize that the current manager of Casimero is Masayuki Ito, for sure this fight will continue if Ito wants it to happen,

I am currently interested in these two fights and nothing more, these two fights right now are a banger to behold and Artur Beterbiev has a canceled fight against Callum Smith, on August 19, 2023, but because Beterbiev had a Jaw Bone Infection the fight was better to be canceled as the fight was rescheduled as Artur Beterbiev is still undefeated his opponent Callum Smith had 1 lost so this is an interesting fight for sure as it was Canelo Alvarez that have given him that lost record, but for sure Callum Smith is much more younger than Beterbiev but Artur has the significant power to his punches as all of his fights ended in a KO/TKO, Corner stoppage and a solid TKO

While Jason Moloney has a twin brother who is also a boxer and he is Andrew Moloney, Jason Moloney is more popular than his twin brother right now Jason has 2 losses and that was from Emmanuel Rodriguez with a decision lost and against Naoya Inoue with a TKO in round 7 with an overhand right,

This week we have an incredible boxing show. Featured by the return of Vergil Ortiz Jr., once a standout projected to become the next great champion. Fans are waiting for this return to answer whether he is the same boxer as before following the frustrations that occurred in his life.



In other matches, Ohara Davies will show his talent in the USA versus Ismael Barroso. The two boxers have the right to confront the WBA champion Rolly Romero however because of an injury, the victor of this match will acquire the mandatory status.

Arnold Barboza will make his first match under his new promoter. Golden Boy Promotions is making progress having removed Arnold Barboza and Jose Ramirez from Top Rank and bringing them in. Devin Haney also refused a big offer from Top Rank last year and left. Golden Boy Promotions now has three elite boxers in the super lightweight class together with Ryan Garcia.



Information from https://box.live/fights/ortiz-jr-vs-lawson/

^^ It's Arthur Beterbiev.

And we have a separate thread about it, Beterbiev Vs Smith January 13 SATURDAY IBF / WBC / WBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Title. But in the undercard, I'm only familiar with Jason Moloney and his opponent Saul Sanchez has a decent record of 20-2 as per https://boxrec.com/cn/proboxer/746614. So this is going to be a good fight as Moloney is on a winning streak and going to defend the WBO belt he won against Astrolabio

We have a high-profile boxing fight next week and here is the event for sure Artur Baterdiev is a strong boxer,

Beterbiev vs. Smith

DATE: Saturday 01/13/2024
TIME: 09:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Top Rank
VENUE: Videotron Centre
LOCATION: Quebec City, Quebec



MAIN EVENT
Artur Beterbiev VS Callum Smith

MAIN CARD
Christian Mbilli VS Rohan Murdock
Jason Moloney VS Saul Sanchez
Imam Khataev VS Rodolfo Gomez Jr
Leila Beaudoin VS Elizabeth Chavez
Christopher Guerrero VS Sergio Garcia
Mehmet Unal VS Dragan Lepei
Moreno Fendero VS Victor Hugo Florea

The Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/104337-beterbiev-vs-smith
robelneo Thread in the Forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beterbiev-vs-smith-january-13-saturday-ibf-wbc-wbo-light-heavyweight-title-5454259

They can still do that, we all know how corrupt boxing organizations is, we've seen mandatory getting pass by other fighters because of the money that this body are going to make to make their champion fight another guy in their ranking.

So there is a possibility and we could have seen this in the past already.

And we might also bank on Inoue's manager as a Japanese that can easily make this negotiations easy and of course, if the money is right. We will just have to wait as there could be twist and turns, just saying.

I support John Riel Casimero but against Naoya Inoue, he will end up just like Marlon Tapales, we can not take away from John Riel Casimero that his fight IQ, although Naoya Inoue also has his fight IQ, was shattered when he fights Nonito Donaire their 1st fight he didn't imagine that Donaire could withstand his punches and that liver shots that are why he only got 3 Decision win because he got high Knockout power, so for sure Naoya Inoue would win this but he can not underestimate Casimero,


For sure they can choose what to do, and who is Inoue's next opponent, but for sure if there is a challenge for Naoya Inoue and there is big cash involved Naoya and his team can surely choose what to pick because Casimero is just there and poking the Undisputed and saying that he is a Japanese turtle (meaning keeps on picking a fight) it is still not clear if Casimero can defeat Inoue for sure,

Indeed, there's no problem even he will secure smaller percentage of total share as long as he will get his chance to fight Inoue and show to the world that he really have that fighting capabilities to beat the monster, that's everything as if he achieved that goal his value will surely increase, that's Inoue and his name is currently hot right? beating someone like him would bring you on top and for sure pomoters will offer huge amount of money on your next fight.

The pressure is on Inoue, he got lot of things to lose in case Casimero manage to bring him down, let see if there's pressure to push this possibility and wait if Inoue's camp will agree.

@Ziskinberg. It would be headshaking to think Casimero would win against Inoue in his prime ehehehe. It would be something similar to saying some boxer in super featherweight would win against Pacman during his prime. However, it might not be a good comparison because much of Pacman's opponents were good fighters who could win against him also.

Also because we are given the impression that Inoue's team wants their fighter to fight in Las Vegas then Luis Nery would be the best opponent to promote for an American audience. Nery lost only to Brandon Figueroa.

In terms of split, I think Casimero would not mind if he will get a small percentage of the total. His goal now is to prove to the world that he could beat Inoue, he isn't a champion anymore so it's already an opportunity if Inoue will fight him.

The real jackpot price here is if he beats Inoue, that would certainly make the world recognize Casimero as the best in the Super Bantamweight, and all Inoue's hype will die, which I think there's a lot at stake for Inoue in this fight, and I would understand if he would not fight Casimero because the latter has a decent chance of beating him.

All roads to Inoue and I do agree that 70/30 split is already fair for Inoue. But that its if Top Rank or the Japanese manager of Inoue wanted Casimero. But so far Casimero doesn't have anything to bring in the negotiable table, he is not a champion, neither the mandatory challenger for any belt of Inoue.

And so with that, I think we could all agree that Neri is really the front runner for the sweepstakes race for a Inoue fight.

The good thing is that the fight is likely to be held outside of Japan and it could be better if Inoue will go back to USA and show his talent their. It's not that they haven't seen Inoue, but in the last 4 fights of his, he has broken at least in the top 3 pound for pound and American fans should witnessed him live.

Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck.  It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.

I wouldn't say that Inoue is a cash cow, I mean he only fight in Japan, and so for me the definition of a cash cow is that the boxers can bring a lot of money and fans in the arena, in terms of PPV and live gates. But we can also say that if Inoue is fighting in US, but majority of his fight are in his native Japan.

If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.

They are comparing him to Pacman as he's following the footpronts of Pacman, trying to keep winning in different divisions but in today's era where there are so many fighters who can beat him in different division, not sure if they are willing to bring him up, he's the current cashcow so for sure his handlers will make a good use of it, his next opponent will be for making money as he's now holding all he belts and if he decide to keep it and stay in his current divsion,

there's a chance that money wise, they might bring's Casimero's name in the table as there are fans who would love to see them fighting to prove who's better among them.

Salute to the boxers who agreed to battle in the New Year. Josber Perez traveled far from Valenzuela to Japan. The two boxers were on a consistent eating regimen and were preparing hard. They were unable to enjoy the Christmas Day celebrations because they were required to sacrifice. Furthermore, after the battle, they presumably cannot eat well with swollen jaws and other damage from their bodies.

I have not heard from Estrada for some time. To my understanding, he had no belt as of now. The bantamweight division is compelling again after Naoya Inoue left and went to another class. Perhaps Ioka and Estrada can move and join the party.

Well, even though I am Filipino and want John Riel Casimero to win against Naoya Inoue, I agree with you my doubt just increased after I saw his fight with Naoya Inoue's training partner that was the time when I thought John Riel Casimero was just bluffing in saying he can take on Naoya Inoue or maybe he is also bluffing that he can not handle the Sparring Partner of Naoya Inoue but for sure If he does that Naoya Inoue would never want to fight him because he doesn't have a belt that a Naoya Inoue would want,


His fight with Lomachenco was a banger Vasiliy Lomachenko has the speed his jab was so fast that he could surely get to Devin Haney but for sure the defense of Devin Haney was so tight and he could surely get his counter but that fight you can clearly see that Vasiliy Lomachenko is winning the fight the announcers also are shouting Lomachenko's name it was a controversial result on why there are so many strikes for Lomachenko but still Devin haney was the Victory


probably the camp of Inoue has seen something after that fight of John Riel Casimero against the sparring partner of Naoya Inoue they are clear that Inoue is not needed to fight Casimero, as it doesn't do any great against his sparring Partner then they already think that Casimero would not be able to defeat Inoue, and that Casimero doesn't have the interest of Inoue because he doesn't have the target belt,

There was a New Year fight in Japan,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU

It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.

So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.

Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.

And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.

Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)

Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.


Yes, Emanuel Navarrete fought 3 times this year.
You can look https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/602423