Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 218. (Read 31941 times)

I am also curious about what may happen during their fight, pretty much that fight will trigger sales that we didn't expect and many people are pretty much curious about the result, I don't want to really push on with John Riel Casimero but in that short of a time that Naoya Inoue has proven that he upped his game in a short time against Nonito Donaire, this is looking pretty much bad for Casimero, but I am still looking forward to their fight,

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Result of the fight for

Teofimo Lopez VS Pedro Campa ROUND 7 KO/TKO - Teofimo Lopez win,

I don't really want to say that this fight is fixed but after seeing that fight pretty much it was a one-sided match, Tiofimo Lopez Speed was really creating that volume of punches, and he is really moving and punching at the same time, it was really meant for Teofimo Lopez to get this win, it was like Pedro Campa was set up for this fight, cherry picking him to be eaten by Teofimo Lopez, and on round 7 because Campa is taken so much punch to the face from Lopez the referee had stopped the fight and Lopez have won this fight via KO/TKO,

We could have seen the result between Inoue and Casimero if their fights weren't canceled due to the pandemics.  I am also curious about the result if ever Casimero and Inoue decided to continue their canceled fight way back years ago.  There is a lot of hype around Casimero but I can say, he is a tough fighter, so I am wondering if Casimero's toughness can withstand Inoue's devastating body blows.  Or Inoue can have an early knockout win against Casimero or vice versa.

Yes but that doesn't mean that Donaire is already overconfident just like what jossiel said above, he's aiming for a one punch KO because he can make that happen instead of taking so much time digging deep punches in his opponents. I understand him because why would you wait and drag the fight longer and risk of depleting your stamina if you can finish the fight much earlier and you have what it takes to make it happen. Makes sense, right?

Many do agree for having that thought that he should really give himself a rest and just retire for good and focus on things like helping the young calibers.

We know that there's still some power left from him and he doesn't want to let it go. Well, he can proceed as much as he can and we'll support him. It is that many thinks that it's best for him to give himself a break.

A wise thing to do indeed considering that his numbers are growing day by day and he won't able to withstand stronger punches and stronger opponents in the upper divisions like in the bantamweight. Sure, he does have a chance to defeat some boxers if he will stay at the bantamweight, and no doubt that he can defeat Butler in the process but then again he'll face Inoue after that fact. We already know what would likely happen if these two will face again.

I can't really say if Casimero has what it takes to defeat Inoue but I want to see what would be the result though.

The truth is that I would like Garcia to win, also because you can see that he is having a good time, and that he has prepared himself with great enthusiasm, you can see that, I also like one thing, that the other boxers are seeing that boxing is a path to be able to be filled with glory and also with money, I have been following some flyweight boxers, who have gone to the Olympics and have been interested in fighting professionally, this time not to get medals, but to get money, and I do not appreciate wrong, if they see boxers who are inspired by this type of fight, then let it continue happening and with that the business model grows and we would be seeing level 1A fights.

Well, I don't know, but I think that Nonito still has a lot of cartridges left to burn, I know that now he is in a situation where they don't want him anymore, but it's normal for all boxers, for me it still doesn't help him to retire and if he's going to do it, he'll have to prepare a good round of fights where he won them all, it is better to go out through the 'big door and have a good memory of him, he is not a good boxer, only that he lacks a bit of alignment, it should be noted that now the boxers demand themselves a little more, maybe since he is from the old school he thinks that with what he knows he can leave everything that way, but every day he has to prepare with more intensity.

It's just my opinion guys, sometimes I over exaggerate statements and sometimes I admit my wrong understanding from those statements.

Moving on.

Majority of us want him to retire already but I guess that we're not going to see it happen anytime soon.

Nothing wrong though with Donaire's plan to come back to ring again after being badly beaten by Naoya Inoue. Only he can feel if he can still fight despite being in the retirement age now. Maybe one last run to build his fame while earning money before hanging his gloves for good.

With his plan to go down weight before a possible return to Bantamweight, once he experiences losing in that lower division, expect him to retire right away as if he's not capable to win in a lower division, how much more on the Bantamweight division? He knows how to quit for sure but it's just that he is against a big monster in his last fight so he needs to test his strength below that level to see if he still has the power to beat his opponents.

Nonito is already old, I didn't even expect that he would give Inoe a problem in their first fight, it was the toughest fight of Inoue as he was injured that time but he had a better game plan in the rematch and beat Inoue using his power where he is well known at. Nonito's career is not over, but if I would suggest, I think he should retire already.

Right, boxer needs to be very positive and motivate himself, and picturing winning the fight. And that's why boxers predict what round they are going to beat and knock out their opponents. But it doesn't mean that they are overconfident, more of putting themselves and their mind to wi. It's a practice not only boxers, but for any sports, focusing on and approaching the fight with the expectation that you are going to win, no matter what the odds are. Unfortunately, Nonito get the short end of the stick, as Naoya makes it very easy and score a knock out.

What do you expect Donaire to say, " I can't beat Inoue?" hehe.

Of course, he will say he's going to beat Inoue. It doesn't mean that he is overconfident but it's just the usual statement from any boxers to say that they are going to beat their opponent as was it's supposed to be.

If his statement includes, "Inoue can't harm me, Inoue is nothing, I can easily beat Inoue" we can consider him overconfident in that fight.

^^ Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez is one boxing legend as well, hard to summarized his career, but you can see his records here: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/319725

Maybe you can search about his fight with Juan Estrada in Youtube.

As for Boots Ennis, he will be the future of the welterweight division. Both Spence Jr and Crawford said that it's possible that they will fight Ennis down the line, if there is money on the line.

I disagree. Donaire is a humble man and he never underestimates his opponents. Inoue developed more as a boxer and has only become more superior than Donaire. Donaire is also now too old to be a bantamweight boxer. This is only a good example for the old to give way to the young.


This Gonzales in 115 pounds, is he a power puncher? He might knockout Donaire.

Also, it appears no one is talking about Boots Ennis in welterweight. He is the price if Spence and Crawford are the kings of welterweight hehehehe.

Still not, it's not over confident, all boxers said that about their opponent on how they are going to beat them, but when the opponent happens, it doesn't mean that they are overconfident, it's that the other boxer is way better than them, (in this case, a prime Inoue destroying the legendary Donaire).

And we should factor Donaire's age in the equation, he seems to be slower now. In the first fight he lasted 12 full rounds, but with this version of Inoue, the fight only lasted 2 rounds.

On his match with Inoue, he said that he's going to beat Inoue and that's what I think that he became overconfident on that time. That's just my opinion and if you think guys that it's not a sign that he's overconfident with those words, that's okay.

It is what I've thought of him.

But I want the best for him if he ever will have another match again. We all love to see him back and healthy again with a win.

Yes, there are news already that Donaire wants to go down to 115 lbs and challenge another legend in Roman Gonzalez. And agree that this could be a bad idea for him as he is not getting any younger, but if that is the case then he still wants to continue fighting then all we can do is watch if see if he can be successful at 115 lbs division.

As for Vergil Ortiz, he will be a good contender for either Spence and Crawford in 147 lbs. But I think those guys are still above and elite level of welterweight and I don't think the Vergil will give them a problem or there will be an upset.

I had never seen Donaire being overconfident.  As far as I know, he trained really hard in every fight.  He even keeps on training even without scheduled fights just to keep his shape.  The one thing I know is  that Donaire has a tendency to fall in love with the idea of one punch KO.  So instead of delivering combinations he opt to do a one punch KO strategy.

Yeah, I stand corrected.  My browser failed me, I should have doubled check the date and the record.  Indeed it was Michael McKinson, thanks for the correction.  With that, I do agree that the fight was cherry-picked.  It looks like Vergil is more concerned with his perfect records than challenging a worthy opponent.  The stats is from the other guy whom he fights before Mckinson.

Yes, he might be using his popularity in the industry to chase some money even though he's already old but I bet he will be successful if that is his motive that is why he won't retire after that loss against Inoue.

Let's see if Donaire still has what it takes and do the talk to defeat champions in the super-flyweight division, I also want to find out if he can.

Who's going down in weight? Donaire? I think that's a bad idea, I believe the best thing to do is to officially retire as he had proven himself already, but if he is still chasing the money, of course, he will use his popularity and will continue fighting.