Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 218. (Read 31605 times)

And a wise thing to do to prevent any heavy damage as he's not getting younger in the first place.

I'm sure he can still fight and even won on other Bantamweights but he should accept the fact that the time for him is now nearing and settling at a much lower weight can give more chances of winning while getting a good paycheck. With his fame and status, there might be a chance that he will always get 60/40 purse split for any of his fights on this division while waiting for a chance for a title match.

Donaire still has it that's why he wants to continue fighting. It's just that Inoue is really on the other level and no one from the bantamweight can defeat this guy, not even the other Bantamweight Champion Paul Butler which will soon facing each other for the undisputed champion. I even think that Casimero won't even stand a chance against Inoue. He is just a hype and no offense for him and to his fans here.

Based on this [1] it seems we might see Vergil will fight against either Crawford or Spence. Since Spence want to move up to 154 pounds, maybe Vergil will high likely fight against Crawford, both of them also a KO artist so it will be interesting fight.

I think both Spence and Crawford want to avoid each other to make a lot hype on their popularity first, after that if the fight is very close, we might see a trilogy just like Canelo vs GGG

---

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08/oscar-de-la-hoya-says-vergil-ortiz-jr-ready-to-face-spence-or-crawford-as-replacement-opponent/

Yes, Donaire can still defeat any boxer in the bantamweight division but he will still end up facing Inoue because the latter has 3 belts in the said division and he might be an undisputed boxer this year if he will get a fight against Paul Butler. So, Donaire needed to go down in weight if he wanted to be a champion again and defeat boxers along the way.
And about Casimero, I really don't know what is his plan because he's been silent for some months now but maybe he will pursue his career in the upper weight class and might bump into Inoue if the latter will also climb the same division to collect some belts too.

You can describe it like that, and it's good though, I mean you can see some ring rust on him during that fight. But when he started to get on the groove, you can see the speed and power of Vergil. Those body shots are crushing and it really took a serious effect on Mckinson.

I also commented that if ever the fight of Crawford and Spence is improbable, at least give Vergil a chance to have a crack against this two elite welterweight.

But his last fight, a comeback fight was a cherry pick right? he fight someone who doesn't have good KO record, but he gave Vergil everything he had, but unfortunately, his corner throw in the towel. Not sure if he is injured or something or the body shot really took the toll on him. Nevertheless, Golden Boy really needs to step the plate for their fighter and give them championship fight to see how good Vergil is or just another hype fighter.

Well, I sure hope that all we are saying here are wrong, I don't really want Donaire to lose his hope in giving another fight to Inoue but I think he is fighting not because of that urge in getting 1 win over Inoue, I think that is what's happening to him right now, Naoya Inoue becomes Donaire's drive to continue, because in reality many boxers will lose their hope, and stumble along the way but for Nonito Donaire saying that he will go down a division and get another belt, then comes back to fight Inoue again, there is some drive that forces him to say such things, and the goal is to defeat Naoya Inoue,


Well, at least he is determined, to stay and get a title for himself, Virgil Ortiz Jr. seems very cautious with his record, and pretty much he wants to retire in having just a win over a KO/TKO, I have remembered that Francis Ngannou once have this kind of mentality, if you know the guy from UFC, he is winning with KO/TKO's and Submission, only but once he fought Cyril Gane he won by Decision, and yes he has an injury back then, even though he badly want to win via  KO/TKO or submission, a decision win is still a victory, Francis Ngannou is not a Boxer yet but maybe if the fight against Tyson Fury have settled a conclusion,

I think Donaire can still beat any at bantamweight, not name Inoue. Naoya is too much for this weight division, he is really above and elite on this level. As far as Casimero vs Donaire, it will still be a toss-up, 50/50 in my opinion. Casimero most of the time is reckless and we all see how Donaire counter is, if he perfectly caught Casimero coming in, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting knock out by Donaire. However, this is a foregone conclusion for now, Donaire wants to go down in weight, while we don't know what will be Casimero plan in his career.

That was a really scary record, 100% KO!  Well, I read that Vergil will be staying in the welterweight division until he gets a title. 

"I’m staying at welterweight until I get that first title" - Vergil Ortiz Jr. wants to stay at 147 pounds until he is a world champion[1]

That was his statement and he also stated that once he gets the belt, he will not wait for the 2nd belt if it will take too long and move up in weight division.


I think this time he will challenge one of the title holders of the division.  He said he is staying in the welterweight class until he gets his 1st title. 

---

[1] https://www.sportskeeda.com/pro-boxing/news-boxing-news-vergil-ortiz-jr-sends-warning-welterweight-contenders

Well, maybe that blogger was right that Casimero has a high chance to defeat Donaire than the other way around, I mean we saw Donaire's recent performance and we can really say that he ain't that much of the Filipino Flash anymore that we used to know. And I think going down in Super Flyweight division will be a good start for Donaire before he retires soon.

Well, right now Nonito Donaire is really focused on getting his 5th division belt, and after that a rematch for Naoya Inoue, he surely said it in the Article that I have read, but for me, it is really a hard fight for him to take another Inoue fight, well Donaire is just very Stubborn to surrender for sure and accept defeat, that is what kind of a person Nonito Donaire is, I surely agree that he just needs to fight boxers that he didn't fight before but for me pick a fight he can win, but again Nonito Donaire is not that kind of a boxer, he would surely want a challenge,


You are right, I never heard about him aswell, seems like he's avoiding bigger fights but not cherry-picking a fight, he is just avoiding a title match that is all, but that record of 19 wins and all 19 knockouts was really tremendously good even though he is not likely to fight on a well-known match but he has held the WBO International welterweight title since 2021, and he is really known for his punching power and his knock-out percentage is currently at 100% he wouldn't want his good record to be tainted even with a Decision record,

I'm surprised he's on welterweight division, it's a same division with Crawford and Spence, but this boxer never want to challenge a world champion. He's not really cherry pick his opponent since his opponent also have a good record, I think he's more focus about his record rather than making his name bigger by getting a belt. It's the first time I hear his name, maybe he wanted to get the belt when Crawford vs Spence have happened, so he will likely join the vacant belt.

Last weekend Vergil Ortiz Jr. once again dominated and knocked out another opponent. His resume is very scary at a 19-0-19 record and with solid performances over tough former world champions and top contenders. When will this kid get a title shot? I followed him and Teofimo Lopez when they started their careers and I used to think that one day they will be fighting each other. Now Vergil is a welterweight and is yet to become champion while Teofimo already became a lineal and unified champ at lightweight and is now seeking his second division title. These 2 young stars have opposite personalities in boxing though as Teofimo is loud and arrogant while Vergil is humble and always smiling.

IMHO, there's no way that he'll be given a 3rd time of chance to beat Inoue. That's already too much and as a professional, I'm sure they also have some sort of delicate that they shouldn't be bitter and accept the decision.

It's okay to continue.

But, not anymore with Inoue and just accept that he's stronger than him and that's it. Move forward to the next match that he's looking for.

That is a huge possibility, despite that possibility,  I am still wondering if the Inoue and Casimero fight happened, who would have won?  Is there a chance for Casimero to win that fight?  I heard from some Youtube blogger that Donaire is evading Casimero because the latter has a huge possibility to beat Donaire.


I am not fond of watching two Filipino boxers fighting each other, besides I think Casimero will have trouble with the weight if he chases Donaire to Super Flyweight Division.  The fight between the two is highly unlikely to happen unless they have a match before they move to different weight division.

A Donaire vs Casimoer fight will be exciting to see though, no doubt about that. But I think they only have a slight chance that they will share the same ring because Donaire is planning to move to super flyweight which is a lower weight class whereas Casimero might move to the upper weight class somewhere in super bantamweight or featherweight because we know that he's struggling in reducing his weights, what more if he will chase Donaire in super flyweight.

A rematch with Inoue is not even close to happening. The time Nonito Donaire will take a shot again at the Bantamweight title, Inoue might be at the point now where he challenges boxers in a much upper-weight division (probably at 122 lbs up) which is possibly his next task if he will become an undisputed champion on the bantamweight.

Adding to that, it's not even sure if all of his future fights will be a Victory for him. That's a long climb again before having a chance for a title match.

Right now, it's Paul Butler's WBO title left for Inoue that needs to steal and he will now become an undisputed bantamweight champion. If that happened, no more challenges were left in that division, and moving-up weight is the logical thing that he will do next. He's also catching age that's why as much as possible, he should still at his best shape once he considers moving up.

I think Donaire has been discouraged to continue his boxing journey after having consistent Lost in the ring which I think is normal. If he hasn't won against Inoue, I don't think he could still beat him for the 3rd time. If he will still have another fight, it should be with other boxers for him to prove himself in the ring again. Donaire only needs rest but if he wants to quit, it would be better if he'll leave a remarkable memory on the boxing industry by having a good last match.

We don't know about that.

Many will have just to agree with him whatever he thinks is best for him. He can have another match if he want to but it's not anymore with Inoue.

He can match with other boxers that he haven't taken yet and I guess that's where he should focused first before aiming for someone like Inoue again.

There is a fight this weekend, it Vergil Ortiz Jr. vs Michael McKinson at welterweight division.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTu7fndVXHU

Probably this is a cherry pick fight for the comebacking Ortiz Jr. Almost a year lay-off so he needs some tune up fight so that can maybe go for the belt in his next fight.

He is rated on all sanctioning bodies, and is in the top 5.

This is also be an eliminator fight for the WBA Welterweight in addition for Ortiz's WBO International Welterweight Title.

So now that Ortiz won, he should be next in line for the WBA belt, held by Spence.

Well, we just surely want what is best for him, but he sure knows his limits more than anyone, well, maybe he is thinking of 1 last fight against Naoya Inoue before he retired completely, and I really hope he could win it, but in my analysis with Naoya Inoue I am just comparing their 1st and 2nd fight, Naoya Inoue is completely in a different level now, for me I would compare him to Ryan Garcia, the speed and power combination is very unbelievable, well this is just my assessment on the skills on Naoya Inoue, Nonito Donaire is not within reach, for me I will be aiming for easier fights,

---

Right now I just saw on the news as for Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya said that they are abandoning the negotiations regarding the Ryan Garcia VS Gervonta "TANK" Davis fight and will be moving on to another opponent, and De La Hoya added that no one is answering to his calls regarding the fight and he thinks they are given the run-around, so it was really depressing to say but they will not going with the fight anymore and will be moving on,

I really think this is sad news to read and for me, I really want to see these two clashes and I think a lot of fans would likely to see this aswell, but yeah Mayweather Promotions is not answering, but I think Dela Hoya should just go directly to Gervonta Davis because I thought that he has moved out of the Mayweather Promotions? so likely to say he should have gone directly to Gervonta Davis himself,