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Quote from: DU18 on August 19, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on August 18, 2022, 10:49:20 PM

Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

Everyone can be hit by this mental problems, recently it was Ryan Garcia but he was able to recover after almost 2 years, and same with Danny Garcia as well, he mentioned it after his win against Campa. So it's real, every athlete are affected by it, just how they are going to respond. The sad part is that Broner, of all the time in the world, suddenly withdraw days before the fight and its so uncanny for him to make his excuse. Anyhow, the fight is going to push through this weekend, but I'm not that interested to watch to be honest.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on August 18, 2022, 06:32:02 PM

Desire isn't enough to win a fight. When the mind is still active but the body is lagging, you know it is time to retire. We can observe it in the fight too. As spectators, we are keener to changes than the ones who own the body. He might feel he is still in optimum condition but if the reflexes deny him then it is time to retire.

Then let these boxers experience several defeats until such time that realization will come that they need to stop for good. We can't just ask them to retire if they really want to push through their careers even if they are already at their considered retirement period. Obviously, we are not in place to give them recommendations especially if their mindset is really set to still fight.

Don't worry bro. Nonito Donaire knows when he will stop. It's not that he will really push and aim for something if he thinks he can't do it.

The time will come that he will finally announce his retirement but only he knows when.

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Quote from: DU18 on August 19, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on August 18, 2022, 10:49:20 PM

Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

He cited mental health issues as his reasons, so we will leave it like that. However, he went on the tirade on the press conference and maybe you know, he hurt someone in that attack that could have pulled the trigger on him, this is just a speculation on my side and think about it, they were able to get a hold of a replacement just like that.

But yes, Broner is no longer in his prime and I don't know why he is still given that chance to fight and make money for him and his family.

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Quote from: TravelMug on August 18, 2022, 10:49:20 PM

Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on August 18, 2022, 06:32:02 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Definitely they can decide for themselves since it is their body. Only the owner of the body can decide for himself even though it is obvious that retirement is due.

Just like what goinmerry said, there would be no interested organizers or other parties to make the fight happen even though these fighters still wanted to fight because they are afraid that the fight will not be a blockbuster nor will be profitable for them. But if at any point they will be granted a fight because there's some interested to make the fight happen then I guess by that we will see if for example Nonito Donaire made the right choice instead of retiring.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 18, 2022, 05:25:24 PM

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Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

I agree, for us it's easy to judge the boxers base on their performance and say that they should retire because they have been beaten very badly that they can't retire. But, the next day, those fighters will have a different mindset and want to comeback strong.

Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

And so they will go on with their careers, not just for fighters that is about to retire, but again, as I have said, those who for example have been knockout or lost in the card and was dominated. And so they want to proved something to their fans and critics that they can still fight after this circumstances and will come back very strong and maybe avenge their defeat.

And that is the spirit of a true warrior because a warrior won't just give up after the loss he experienced, instead he takes that loss as to be more determined in the next fights and will be a reminder for him not to taste that bitter taste again. For Donaire, he believes that he can still make some diference in lower weight that's why he chose to not to retire. Let the man do what he wants, we will see it soon if his decisions will be worth it.

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Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

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To say Adrien Broner's career has had its ups and downs would be an understatement. Now, just days before his planned bout with Omar Figueroa on Showtime Championship Boxing, Broner has announced he is pulling out of their junior welterweight fight because of mental health issues.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/adrien-broner-withdraws-from-bout-against-omar-figueroa-amid-struggles-with-mental-health/

He had an outburst when the press conference was held because it's not done on live TV but through video calls.

But then again, when the fight date is near, he suddenly withdraw, and I think AB is done for good now in boxing. His replacement will be Sergey Lipinets.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

Desire isn't enough to win a fight. When the mind is still active but the body is lagging, you know it is time to retire. We can observe it in the fight too. As spectators, we are keener to changes than the ones who own the body. He might feel he is still in optimum condition but if the reflexes deny him then it is time to retire.

Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Definitely they can decide for themselves since it is their body. Only the owner of the body can decide for himself even though it is obvious that retirement is due.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 18, 2022, 08:57:30 AM

With the experience he have in the industry and the talent he possess, I can say that Donaire will be deadly in the lower division but the catch is that we must accept that he isn't the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore as he's already aging but the power is still there, I don't doubt it. But yes, you are right these are just mere speculations and we should watch him first before saying that he should already retire.

If he still wants to get into fights and wants to dominate then he'll do the stepping down. But if not, he'll do whatever he takes before he retires.

Aging really matters in terms of an athletic career, especially in this type of sport that needs physical contact.

But, as of now, we don't hear a lot from him and we still need to wait for the announcement on what his next step.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

I agree, for us it's easy to judge the boxers base on their performance and say that they should retire because they have been beaten very badly that they can't retire. But, the next day, those fighters will have a different mindset and want to comeback strong.

Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

And so they will go on with their careers, not just for fighters that is about to retire, but again, as I have said, those who for example have been knockout or lost in the card and was dominated. And so they want to proved something to their fans and critics that they can still fight after this circumstances and will come back very strong and maybe avenge their defeat.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Yes mate, of course they have their own reasons why they still choose to fight even though they are not that young anymore and even though most of the fans wanted them to retire because of the age factor, part of those reasons why they still continue is that they believe that they can still deliver a win in the fights they participate because the power is still their and somehow they are agile enough to keep up with their foes.

Still up to the mindset of this boxers, I mean if they can still feel even at late 30;s or entering 40's that they can fight, then boxers like Nonito will continue. And because once this fighters retire, there is no coming back and maybe they just want last push in their career before they say I quit. And it seems this is Nonito's decision, maybe one fight to chase greatness and maybe if he losses again, he will announce his retirement, we will see.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 15, 2022, 07:41:06 AM

I guess we have our own definition of fixed fight, because for me, it is a fight that is already predetermined as who will win, I mean the other side will have to take a dive. And there are supposedly match fixing in boxing but in the 50's-60's that the mafia or mob may have something to do with it, fight like the Ali vs Liston fight. Many analyst says it's fixed and the mob is behind it but it was never proven. Or the Mike Tyson vs Bruce Sheldon, this fight was fixed to me, the moment Tyson landed that shot, it was over in the first round, the way Bruce goes down to the canvass and then gets up and wobbly, its kind of funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRXu8PyZe8

As compare to this fight, wherein it was cherry pick and obvious mismatch as the level is very different but Campa tried his best, didn't do a dive in the first round but keep hanging on.

Well, For me it feels like they already know that Teofimo Lopez would win, on the poster where Pedro Campa was not there, to selecting a victim that they think Teofimo Lopez would take on easily, it really sounds like a fixed fight but as I was saying I am never been sure about this it is all my speculations, and I believe that fixed can not be determined unlock proven or if someone confesses about it, and for people being aware that there are fixed fights I'd say it can happen and it is real,

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Nonito's career is not over, but if I would suggest, I think he should retire already.

The way you say that you think Nonito Donaire should retire simply shows that you think his career is over. I think let's just watch from the sideline the outcome if ever Nonito decided to move to lighter weight. I know he still has that KO punch but then I hope he still retains 90% of his speed. I think he has an advantage in the lower-weight division since I believe he can withstand punches in that division more than his current.

Well, in my opinion, Nonito Donaire can decide for himself, and he surely is the one that can know what his body can do and what his body can not, so I am sure if he wants to fight then we can see a great fight from him, well moving in a lighter division is not a bad move and in actuality, every boxer can do it, and he is aiming for that division belt, so let's expect a war to happen,

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 16, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Yes mate, of course they have their own reasons why they still choose to fight even though they are not that young anymore and even though most of the fans wanted them to retire because of the age factor, part of those reasons why they still continue is that they believe that they can still deliver a win in the fights they participate because the power is still their and somehow they are agile enough to keep up with their foes.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on August 15, 2022, 09:59:47 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on August 13, 2022, 08:32:39 AM

Nonito's career is not over, but if I would suggest, I think he should retire already.

The way you say that you think Nonito Donaire should retire simply shows that you think his career is over. I think let's just watch from the sideline the outcome if ever Nonito decided to move to lighter weight. I know he still has that KO punch but then I hope he still retains 90% of his speed. I think he has an advantage in the lower-weight division since I believe he can withstand punches in that division more than his current.

With the experience he have in the industry and the talent he possess, I can say that Donaire will be deadly in the lower division but the catch is that we must accept that he isn't the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore as he's already aging but the power is still there, I don't doubt it. But yes, you are right these are just mere speculations and we should watch him first before saying that he should already retire.

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Quote from: cabron on August 15, 2022, 11:04:13 AM

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

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Kambosos already lost all of his belts, so there's no reason either Lopez or Kambosos need a rematch since they're didn't get anything and only risking their good record. It's too soon for the rematch, I think if Lopez is already start collecting a belt and Kambosos move up to light welterweight division, the rematch would happen on the new division. Of course it will be on the same hype since Kambosos will become a challenger again.

That would be a blockbuster fight once again because as we saw Lopez with his last Saturday, he is back again and can really compete at his best or even more strong this time. They became rivals in this era, hope they will gonna fight again soon because fans are loving to see it. It's not really a bad idea for them to see each other again in that division since they already went through a number of fights in the lower divisions, and their body will soon adapt to fight in the light welterweight division.

I'm okay with Kambosos vs Lopez rematch, no belts but these two gave a very entertaining fight, so we can expect that many fans will watch this and they'll be able to sell a good PPV numbers. Teo is trying to be a a champion in the new division, but he has not proven anything yet since the last fight was obviously a cherry picked one.

Same here, that will be a perfect chance for Teo Lopez to avenge his loss during their first encounter but I guess this time it will not be called a rematch, right? If that will happen, I think I'll go with Lopez as I believe that he can really defeat Kambosos back at the time in their first match, it's just that Lopez was a bit big-headed and overconfident that he can successfully defend his belt against Kambosos.

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Teofimo Lopez VS Pedro Campa ROUND 7 KO/TKO - Teofimo Lopez win,

I don't really want to say that this fight is fixed but after seeing that fight pretty much it was a one-sided match, Tiofimo Lopez Speed was really creating that volume of punches, and he is really moving and punching at the same time, it was really meant for Teofimo Lopez to get this win, it was like Pedro Campa was set up for this fight, cherry picking him to be eaten by Teofimo Lopez, and on round 7 because Campa is taken so much punch to the face from Lopez the referee had stopped the fight and Lopez have won this fight via KO/TKO,

It's far from being fixed Lopez is just being the take-over guy he's fast powerful and too talented for Campa, Campa is doing his best but he's not in Lopez's league let's give Teofimo the praise that he deserves, we have just seen the old Lopez form and style I think he can beat Josh Taylor or anyone in that division and he can give Tank Davis a run for his money the way Lopez fight, Lopez has matured as a boxer with this fight.

It's more of a cherry-pick fight for Teo Lopez, so that he will look great and bring back his confidence after his defeat to Kambosos. And you can see in Campa's record that all of his opponent is not even close to what Teo have been beaten. So this is like a mismatch, a A-level class fighter against lower tier. For Campa's side, this might be his biggest paycheck in US dollar so even if he losses this fight, still a big privilege for him to fight in US soil.

I agree, in fact there's no promoter in the industry that would want his boxer struggle in his debut in that division so they will really try and find that boxer who will be a tune-up while also letting their boxer taste what it is like to fight in that division. It was already expected that Lopez will win though just like their controversial poster, this is all about him but I'm giving credits to Campa because the latter was in fact good because he can withstand all of Lopez's heavy punches and all of that connecting punches. It was a good tune-up match indeed!

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The way you say that you think Nonito Donaire should retire simply shows that you think his career is over. I think let's just watch from the sideline the outcome if ever Nonito decided to move to lighter weight. I know he still has that KO punch but then I hope he still retains 90% of his speed. I think he has an advantage in the lower-weight division since I believe he can withstand punches in that division more than his current.

Yeah I think he's still can compete with the other boxers, Inoue is too much for him since Inoue currently is the top 1 pound for pound professional boxing, he even beat Usyk, Crawford, Spence, and Canelo. If Donaire will lower his weight, then he and Jerwin Ancajas will start collecting a belt for their country. If Ancajas is challenging Martinez, then Donaire could challenge Joshua Franco.

Many boxers at same age will decide to retire. Donaire at 39 with 49 fights in his pro career, its a lot. He had a good run no doubt about that. time has passed.

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe is.

Boxing also comes with great danger. It is not like basketball that if you are slow because of your age, you can still play and suffer no consequences. Boxing is different. He can get knocked out and that could spell disaster for his health. Many boxers have lingering injuries because they choose to fight even if their body cannot already.

He is already aging but he has proven a lot in his career already. It is not that he is not competitive anymore, but he should also consider his life after boxing. He should retire now and enjoy a healthy life than risk it in the ring.

Donaire is a promising boxer who made a good record in the industry. He doesn't need to retire if he still wants to pursue his career but he needs rest to secure his health. There's nothing wrong with retiring because sometimes, we have to sacrifice our passion especially if it's already affecting our health. I think Donaire still has a huge chance to perform more matches after he regains his strength.

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The way you say that you think Nonito Donaire should retire simply shows that you think his career is over. I think let's just watch from the sideline the outcome if ever Nonito decided to move to lighter weight. I know he still has that KO punch but then I hope he still retains 90% of his speed. I think he has an advantage in the lower-weight division since I believe he can withstand punches in that division more than his current.

Yeah I think he's still can compete with the other boxers, Inoue is too much for him since Inoue currently is the top 1 pound for pound professional boxing, he even beat Usyk, Crawford, Spence, and Canelo. If Donaire will lower his weight, then he and Jerwin Ancajas will start collecting a belt for their country. If Ancajas is challenging Martinez, then Donaire could challenge Joshua Franco.

Many boxers at same age will decide to retire. Donaire at 39 with 49 fights in his pro career, its a lot. He had a good run no doubt about that. time has passed.

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

Boxing also comes with great danger. It is not like basketball that if you are slow because of your age, you can still play and suffer no consequences. Boxing is different. He can get knocked out and that could spell disaster for his health. Many boxers have lingering injuries because they choose to fight even if their body cannot already.

He is already aging but he has proven a lot in his career already. It is not that he is not competitive anymore, but he should also consider his life after boxing. It is better for him to retire now and enjoy a healthy life than risk it in the ring.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 15, 2022, 10:41:56 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on August 15, 2022, 09:59:47 AM

The way you say that you think Nonito Donaire should retire simply shows that you think his career is over. I think let's just watch from the sideline the outcome if ever Nonito decided to move to lighter weight. I know he still has that KO punch but then I hope he still retains 90% of his speed. I think he has an advantage in the lower-weight division since I believe he can withstand punches in that division more than his current.

Yeah I think he's still can compete with the other boxers, Inoue is too much for him since Inoue currently is the top 1 pound for pound professional boxing, he even beat Usyk, Crawford, Spence, and Canelo. If Donaire will lower his weight, then he and Jerwin Ancajas will start collecting a belt for their country. If Ancajas is challenging Martinez, then Donaire could challenge Joshua Franco.

Many boxers at same age will decide to retire. Donaire at 39 with 49 fights in his pro career, its a lot. He had a good run no doubt about that. time has passed.

At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth. Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

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