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Quote from: Baofeng on August 05, 2022, 05:02:37 AM

What do you guys think about this? Nonito Donaire won’t retire, plans move to 115 for Chocolatito Gonzalez or Kazuto Ioka next.

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“It’s a really good fight with Chocolatito and people are saying it would be ‘legend versus legend,’” Donaire said through Probellum. “It’s a big fight. But I do like the Ioka fight as well because I want to get that title and become a five-division champion and then move back up to 118 and go for the undisputed crown once everything else is open and I get another opportunity for it.”

So Nonito Donaire will not retire, he will continue with his career and he will defy the odds by going down to 115 lbs and then look for money fights like against Chocolatito and Ioka.

Do you think this is a good idea? as we all know that he is already 40 yrs old and it's really hard for the body as we age?

We cannot say for sure, maybe he's right too because he still had that same confidence that he can still win fights despite his age now. We saw in his latest performance that he wasn't the flash we knew anymore and the speed and power difference between him and Inoue becomes wider. Maybe he can regain some losses in the super flyweight and then retire after a win, let's see.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 05, 2022, 05:02:37 AM

Do you think this is a good idea? as we all know that he is already 40 yrs old and it's really hard for the body as we age?

Yes, I got your point and concern about his age. I mean, the timeframe is critical to what he likes to achieve now that he's 40 years old now.

He mentioned that he is eyes for some Super Flyweight Division matches before going back to Bantamweight to attempt on unifying some titles. He should average 2-3 fights per year with no serious injuries in every of his fight to catch up while his body is still cooperating.

I'm just worried that once he makes an attempt to snatch a title at Bantamweight, roughly he's about 42 years old that time. He will surely show an obvious sign of slowing down and weaknesses at that age.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 05, 2022, 09:14:10 AM

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 05, 2022, 05:14:01 AM

As much as we love Donaire as he is a sure fire boxing hall of famer, I think moving down to 115 lbs might is seemingly improbable. OF course we can't just say that the should be retiring after that huge knock out lost to Inoue, only him and Rachel could decide for that. However, moving down might not be a good idea, not sure why, but why not going up to 122 lbs?

Anyhow, if this fight happen, I will have him winning by knock out against Ioka, but will be a close one against Chocolatito.

He thinks he still has it, for a great boxer the mind is the last to admit it, but he will soon realize that the body cannot keep up, I just hope it's not too late his body is aging, it's not the same body he has 15 years ago he may have a good chance against Ioka or Chocolatito but time is running out for him, if he really loves boxy he can train young people or do an exhibition fight, the best time to do it is now, let's see in his next fight if this is his last fight or just want to add more title for his legacy.

I agree, again and again, top and great boxers still thinks that they still have it and is going to continue with their careers despite the obvious signs that they are way past their primes already and it the end, them keep fighting might bring more harm that good to them. Its the responslity of his father and Rachel (Nonito's wife and manager), to tell him right into his face that he should consider hanging up his gloves for real. His legacy has been cemented already, there is none to prove if he fight the 2 boxers that he mentioned he love to face.

I don't even know how Donaire can make it into the superfly limit. Seems impossible, but if he can make it then there's also the chance that he becomes champion again. He is old but his power is always his equalizer in the lower divisions. And if he becomes a champion at superfly, that would make him a 5 division champion which is very rare in boxing.

122 can take Donaire's power, this is the division where his prime started to score decisions rather than knockouts. WBA and IBF champion Akhmadaliev will KO Donaire. And WBO and WBC champion Stephen Fulton will school Donaire in 12 rounds.

I hope he retires for good. Maybe he should just start coaching if he still wants to continue his career in boxing.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 05, 2022, 05:53:25 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on August 05, 2022, 05:14:01 AM

As much as we love Donaire as he is a sure fire boxing hall of famer, I think moving down to 115 lbs might is seemingly improbable. OF course we can't just say that the should be retiring after that huge knock out lost to Inoue, only him and Rachel could decide for that. However, moving down might not be a good idea, not sure why, but why not going up to 122 lbs?

Anyhow, if this fight happen, I will have him winning by knock out against Ioka, but will be a close one against Chocolatito.

He thinks he still has it, for a great boxer the mind is the last to admit it, but he will soon realize that the body cannot keep up, I just hope it's not too late his body is aging, it's not the same body he has 15 years ago he may have a good chance against Ioka or Chocolatito but time is running out for him, if he really loves boxy he can train young people or do an exhibition fight, the best time to do it is now, let's see in his next fight if this is his last fight or just want to add more title for his legacy.

I agree, again and again, top and great boxers still thinks that they still have it and is going to continue with their careers despite the obvious signs that they are way past their primes already and it the end, them keep fighting might bring more harm that good to them. Its the responslity of his father and Rachel (Nonito's wife and manager), to tell him right into his face that he should consider hanging up his gloves for real. His legacy has been cemented already, there is none to prove if he fight the 2 boxers that he mentioned he love to face.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 05, 2022, 05:14:01 AM

As much as we love Donaire as he is a sure fire boxing hall of famer, I think moving down to 115 lbs might is seemingly improbable. OF course we can't just say that the should be retiring after that huge knock out lost to Inoue, only him and Rachel could decide for that. However, moving down might not be a good idea, not sure why, but why not going up to 122 lbs?

Anyhow, if this fight happen, I will have him winning by knock out against Ioka, but will be a close one against Chocolatito.

He thinks he still has it, for a great boxer the mind is the last to admit it, but he will soon realize that the body cannot keep up, I just hope it's not too late his body is aging, it's not the same body he has 15 years ago he may have a good chance against Ioka or Chocolatito but time is running out for him, if he really loves boxy he can train young people or do an exhibition fight, the best time to do it is now, let's see in his next fight if this is his last fight or just want to add more title for his legacy.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 05, 2022, 05:02:37 AM

What do you guys think about this? Nonito Donaire won’t retire, plans move to 115 for Chocolatito Gonzalez or Kazuto Ioka next.

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“It’s a really good fight with Chocolatito and people are saying it would be ‘legend versus legend,’” Donaire said through Probellum. “It’s a big fight. But I do like the Ioka fight as well because I want to get that title and become a five-division champion and then move back up to 118 and go for the undisputed crown once everything else is open and I get another opportunity for it.”

So Nonito Donaire will not retire, he will continue with his career and he will defy the odds by going down to 115 lbs and then look for money fights like against Chocolatito and Ioka.

Do you think this is a good idea? as we all know that he is already 40 yrs old and it's really hard for the body as we age?

Maybe this is not about records or for a crown since most provably he want to fight for money, He age already and for provably grab the opportunity to earn million of dollars while he can. But if we really look at his age he really need to retire healthy because if he receive a bad hit which can cause a heavy damage on his body for sure he cannot enjoy the money he earn on all of his fight and he will be forgotten in the scene.

Of course everyone fights for the money, but I thought that he already has a lot because I read reports that him and his wife are very good at taking care of their money and has invested it.

Anyhow, I do agree that it's only up to Nonito to make the final decision about his career, maybe he still has that itch and that he still wanted to test himself against the best like Roman Gonzalez and the Japanese Ioka and willing to go down to their weight classes.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 05, 2022, 05:02:37 AM

What do you guys think about this? Nonito Donaire won’t retire, plans move to 115 for Chocolatito Gonzalez or Kazuto Ioka next.

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“It’s a really good fight with Chocolatito and people are saying it would be ‘legend versus legend,’” Donaire said through Probellum. “It’s a big fight. But I do like the Ioka fight as well because I want to get that title and become a five-division champion and then move back up to 118 and go for the undisputed crown once everything else is open and I get another opportunity for it.”

So Nonito Donaire will not retire, he will continue with his career and he will defy the odds by going down to 115 lbs and then look for money fights like against Chocolatito and Ioka.

Do you think this is a good idea? as we all know that he is already 40 yrs old and it's really hard for the body as we age?

Maybe this is not about records or for a crown since most provably he want to fight for money, He age already and for provably grab the opportunity to earn million of dollars while he can. But if we really look at his age he really need to retire healthy because if he receive a bad hit which can cause a heavy damage on his body for sure he cannot enjoy the money he earn on all of his fight and he will be forgotten in the scene.

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As much as we love Donaire as he is a sure fire boxing hall of famer, I think moving down to 115 lbs might is seemingly improbable. OF course we can't just say that the should be retiring after that huge knock out lost to Inoue, only him and Rachel could decide for that. However, moving down might not be a good idea, not sure why, but why not going up to 122 lbs?

Anyhow, if this fight happen, I will have him winning by knock out against Ioka, but will be a close one against Chocolatito.

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What do you guys think about this? Nonito Donaire won’t retire, plans move to 115 for Chocolatito Gonzalez or Kazuto Ioka next.

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“It’s a really good fight with Chocolatito and people are saying it would be ‘legend versus legend,’” Donaire said through Probellum. “It’s a big fight. But I do like the Ioka fight as well because I want to get that title and become a five-division champion and then move back up to 118 and go for the undisputed crown once everything else is open and I get another opportunity for it.”

So Nonito Donaire will not retire, he will continue with his career and he will defy the odds by going down to 115 lbs and then look for money fights like against Chocolatito and Ioka.

Do you think this is a good idea? as we all know that he is already 40 yrs old and it's really hard for the body as we age?

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 03, 2022, 12:12:40 AM

I was reading through all the rankings in boxing and it appears that there is a possibility that we might be given one of the greatest superfights on 2023 if the promoters can work together. This is Naoya Inoue vs. Stephen Fulton as undisputed champion vs. undisputed champion which has never occurred before in the sport of boxing.

However, first Fulton must defeat Murodjon Akhmadaliev by end of this year and also similar for Inoue, he must defeat Paul Butler. Let us hope hehehe!

Well this is good but as you have said Fulton will have to fight Murodjon Akhmadaliev. But then again, there is the boxing politics, Fulton is a PBC fighter, Akhmadaliev is with Matchroom, so there will be a lot of negotiations behind and I don't know if this can be made. So this is going to be an obstacles, as I would see that more likely it could be Inoue vs Akhmadaliev that can be made first if Inoue decided to go up in weight class and immediately fight for the belt.

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Quote from: stadus on August 01, 2022, 01:52:09 PM

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Teofimo Lopez ("The Takeover") vs. Pedro Campa ("Roca")

Date: Saturday 08.13.2022

Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

Right now the odds pretty much were for Teofimo Lopez, and as you can see from the fight poster only Teofino Lopez was the only one in there, and many are saying that it is too biased for the boxing management to do such things,

Judging from the poster alone, it seems to me that this will be a sure win fight in-favor of Lopez because why would they produce and post a poster that doesn't contain Pedro Campa's face? This fight might be too much to be just a supposed tune-up fight because I'm really viewing this as a cherry-easy-pick fight as Lopez's first fight in this division.

Well, I hope that I'm wrong Grin

They underestimate Campa, but looking at the statistics of Campa it is quite good, Campa has only 1 loss though it was a TKO, while Lopez got 1 loss via split decision, in terms of KO ratio, I think the percentage is close. And if ever, I think Campa is much more dangerous than Lopez because Campa is a natural on that weight division.

Though after reading your reply, there's a thought that springs in my mind that the fight might possibly be rigged. I hope I am wrong though, and I want to see an upset win in this fight.

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Quote from: erep on August 03, 2022, 03:15:17 PM

Quote from: stadus on August 03, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Yes, I really hope so too. Releasing a poster without Pedro Campa in it will be a plain disrespect and clearly says that they are underestimating Campa, there's an opposite chance though but it's really hard not to notice what's their view on this fight because of that poster they released.

The poster above is very controversial because campa fans will be disappointed not to include it in the poster, I agree that it is a clear insult to ignore campa in the poster above and should include head-to-head images for their respective parts in the poster, but the poster above official, because I've seen other posters for head-to-head positions in one poster frame.

I bet there are already issues behind the scenes that we don't know about regarding this poster where Campa's side are appealing to have his face in the poster (though it's already too late because they will have a fight next week) or they ask Lopez's camp and other connected to it why does the poster only contains Teo's face where in-fact he is the new comer in the division.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 03, 2022, 04:05:16 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 03, 2022, 12:12:40 AM

I was reading through all the rankings in boxing and it appears that there is a possibility that we might be given one of the greatest superfights on 2023 if the promoters can work together. This is Naoya Inoue vs. Stephen Fulton as undisputed champion vs. undisputed champion which has never occurred before in the sport of boxing.

I don't think it's correct to call undisputed champion vs undisputed champion because they're on different weight, Inoue will become a challenger if he move to next weight on super bantamweight division since he doesn't have any belts on that weight and he wouldn't lost anything if he lose.

However Inoue should learn even though he's the best on bantamweight division, he may not become the best on super bantamweight division.

Yup, Inoue and Fulton is on a different category and they both can't put their belts on the line if they will face in the said year, if ever. But there's a high chance that Inoue will start claiming belts in the super bantamweight if he finished collecting all the belts in the bantamweight where he only lacks one belt to become and undisputed champion.

In Stephen Fulton's case, he still has a long way to be an undisputed boxer because Murodjon holds the WBA and IBF belts and I'm seeing the latter to become undisputed than Fulton.

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Quote from: stadus on August 03, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Yes, I really hope so too. Releasing a poster without Pedro Campa in it will be a plain disrespect and clearly says that they are underestimating Campa, there's an opposite chance though but it's really hard not to notice what's their view on this fight because of that poster they released.

I hope Campa can fight aggressively as well so that Teo will have a hard time even though he had a good advantage over Campa. A toe-to-toe fight will be fun to watch rather than seeing a fight that is yelling a mismatch.

Because of this now I want Pedro Campa to win this match, although that could be a slight possibility to happen, or make a hard fight for Teofimo Lopez instead, if Pedro Campa can not win this fight, I really want to teach those people involved in this poster fiasco a lesson and they will surely bet for Teofimo Lopez for sure, and I also want to see a toe-toe fight and that they would realize what they did to Campa is clearly a disrespect to him,

Quote from: blockman on August 03, 2022, 02:57:06 PM

I guess he's got the idea of doing it around on the other divisions and also wanna try to conquer there. But, you're right, they're on different levels, and for sure that he's aware of that.
But we'll see then if he tries to prove himself that he's still what it gots from where he came from to where he's going next and try to dominate on that division.

Pretty much I was for Teofimo Lopez when I heard of this fight, but Lopez can not Underestimate Pedro Campa because if he would see his boxing records he surely has a decent record, mostly that Cristian Favela fight that was pretty notable, but even though he doesn't have that much notable of a fight he still has much experience in making this an upset fight versus Teofino Lopez, and I am hoping Campa to win this,

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 04, 2022, 12:41:29 AM

Agreed, however, technically if they win all the championships in their weight divisions, this would make them both undisputed champions. I reckon 2 undisputed champions in their weight division have never occurred in the past before which might make this the first time 2 undisputed champions will have a fight in the ring. This is will be very exciting for the fans hehe.

Surely I am also anticipating that fight to see who really is the real undisputed champion, and this fight will surely make a hit and many will surely watch this, for me, I still view The Monster Naoya Inoue as the advantage for this fight and surely we can see a great war is coming for these two fighters,

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 03, 2022, 04:05:16 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 03, 2022, 12:12:40 AM

I was reading through all the rankings in boxing and it appears that there is a possibility that we might be given one of the greatest superfights on 2023 if the promoters can work together. This is Naoya Inoue vs. Stephen Fulton as undisputed champion vs. undisputed champion which has never occurred before in the sport of boxing.

I don't think it's correct to call undisputed champion vs undisputed champion because they're on different weight, Inoue will become a challenger if he move to next weight on super bantamweight division since he doesn't have any belts on that weight and he wouldn't lost anything if he lose.

However Inoue should learn even though he's the best on bantamweight division, he may not become the best on super bantamweight division.

Agreed, however, technically if they win all the championships in their weight divisions, this would make them both undisputed champions. I reckon 2 undisputed champions in their weight division have never occurred in the past before which might make this the first time 2 undisputed champions will have a fight in the ring. This is will be very exciting for the fans hehe.

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Quote from: erep on August 03, 2022, 03:15:17 PM

Quote from: stadus on August 03, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Yes, I really hope so too. Releasing a poster without Pedro Campa in it will be a plain disrespect and clearly says that they are underestimating Campa, there's an opposite chance though but it's really hard not to notice what's their view on this fight because of that poster they released.

The poster above is very controversial because campa fans will be disappointed not to include it in the poster, I agree that it is a clear insult to ignore campa in the poster above and should include head-to-head images for their respective parts in the poster, but the poster above official, because I've seen other posters for head-to-head positions in one poster frame.

I try to look at the official Top Rank site and yes, it is the same poster, not sure if this is the first time that I have seen that the opponent face is not in the poster, Top Rank should fix that because I agree that its kinda disrespectful to Campa not to be included in the official poster of the fight. Going to be interesting in the face off or weigh in of the fight this weekend. And what if Campa derail the plans of Top Rank and Lopez to be a champion in this division? it will be instant karma for them.

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Quote from: stadus on August 03, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Yes, I really hope so too. Releasing a poster without Pedro Campa in it will be a plain disrespect and clearly says that they are underestimating Campa, there's an opposite chance though but it's really hard not to notice what's their view on this fight because of that poster they released.

The poster above is very controversial because campa fans will be disappointed not to include it in the poster, I agree that it is a clear insult to ignore campa in the poster above and should include head-to-head images for their respective parts in the poster, but the poster above official, because I've seen other posters for head-to-head positions in one poster frame.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 03, 2022, 04:05:16 AM

However Inoue should learn even though he's the best on bantamweight division, he may not become the best on super bantamweight division.

I guess he's got the idea of doing it around on the other divisions and also wanna try to conquer there. But, you're right, they're on different levels, and for sure that he's aware of that.
But we'll see then if he tries to prove himself that he's still what it gots from where he came from to where he's going next and try to dominate on that division.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on August 01, 2022, 06:56:15 PM

Quote from: stadus on August 01, 2022, 01:52:09 PM

Judging from the poster alone, it seems to me that this will be a sure win fight in-favor of Lopez because why would they produce and post a poster that doesn't contain Pedro Campa's face? This fight might be too much to be just a supposed tune-up fight because I'm really viewing this as a cherry-easy-pick fight as Lopez's first fight in this division.

Well, I hope that I'm wrong Grin

I hope we are wrong about it, but it was a very controversial poster photo, that many are commenting on right now and it was the very highlight of the fight to not include Pedro Campa at all, For me, Teofimo Lopez has the advantage I think he wants to regain his confidence after that lost from Kambosos and cherry picking Campa is not a bad idea, to get back his ego and confidence, and Pedro Campa is on another division, but I will not be surprised aswell if there would be an upset, and Pedro Campa won this one,

Yes, I really hope so too. Releasing a poster without Pedro Campa in it will be a plain disrespect and clearly says that they are underestimating Campa, there's an opposite chance though but it's really hard not to notice what's their view on this fight because of that poster they released.

I hope Campa can fight aggressively as well so that Teo will have a hard time even though he had a good advantage over Campa. A toe-to-toe fight will be fun to watch rather than seeing a fight that is yelling a mismatch.

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Quote from: virasisog on August 02, 2022, 01:32:44 PM

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And with the Manny Pacquiao VS DK Yoo fight many are saying and also the promoters to Manny Pacquiao to not fight DK Yoo and instead fight a legit boxer, like Floyd Mayweather, or Conor McGregor in an exhibition match than having it on a non-boxer and doesn't have experience in a fight like DK Yoo,

I think they wouldn't allow Manny to fight with new boxers because that will not be considered as a fair match. Since it will surely be between boxing legends with huge name in the industry. As what we have heard, it could be Mayweather which I think is a good opponent for Manny. He's also not getting any younger to face younger boxers.

What do you mean? In an exhibition fight, anything goes, retired MMA vs Boxer or any other discipline. So there is no exception.

Not sure if Floyd is willing to still fight Manny until there is a big money in the table. Maybe some rich oil tycoon from Middle East are willing to sponsor it. If my memory serves me right, Floyd last fought in Saudi. Anyone, we will see, there is Floyd vs Conor floating around as well.

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