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Quote from: Baofeng on June 30, 2022, 07:30:11 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 10:02:24 AM

There's no doubt he is the best fighter now in the bantamweight division, and I don't think he will have a hard time beating Butler if both will agree to unify their belts. I'm already seeing a massive favorite on the side of Inoue as Butler although a champion is not ranked at the top compared to Inoue who is a pound for pound fighter.

Butler's record isn't impressive, with 2 losses and less than 50% KO victory. And I think Butlers also suffered a KO on his 2 losses so I don't think he is tougher than any opponent Inoue has met. Butler was floored by Zolani Tete on the eight-round when he was hit by two consecutive left uppercuts.^[1] So it is highly likely that Butler will kiss the canvas if these two fighters meet in the boxing ring.

Speaking of Zolani Tete, he will have a fight against another British fighter, Jason Cunningham in an undercard of Joyce vs Hammer. The fight will be contested on 122 lbs, we all know that Casimero knock out Tete to get the WBO belt.

https://www.dazn.com/en-PH/news/boxing/jason-cunningham-vs-zolani-tete-date-fight-time-tv-channel-and-live-stream/1n7o9m3w9jgn31n7msgues080a

This fight didn't last as Zolani Tete blasted Cunningham from the beginning to score a sensational 4th round knock out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH8JIyygP60

So he puts his name again on the map as could be the challenger for a world title. Cunningham is good no doubt about it winning the Commonwealth title, but Tete is on a different levels and hopefully he is ok because it seems he was knock out cold.

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Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2022, 07:30:45 PM

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Anyhow, just like what others have been speculating, no offense to Butler, but I don't think he has what it takes to take the Monster and bet him. It's good that he got the WBO belt, but he really talks trash about Casimero back then. So they should fight Casimero first, or WBO ordered the fight and whoever be the winner facing Inoue, that will be the perfect setup match.

We do hope that WBO will grant Casimero's request to allow him to become the mandatory challenger for Paul Butler.

It's reasonable to be asked for knowing Butler really didn't fight the real champion although it was Casimero's fault why it turned out like that. If ever granted, I hope a responsible Casimero will emerge this time. It's hard to deal with Inoue if Casimero continues to struggle with his maintaining weight problems. Boxers need to be at their 100% health status when facing the Japanese monster.

I do hope that a title defense will happen first on Butler before Inoue will target the last title at the Bantamweight Division to become the undisputed champion.

I'd like to see that to happen too so that we can see a much more interesting undisputed match in bantamweight division than a Butler-Inoue fight, surely a Casimero-Inoue fight will be more engaging if indeed it will happen soon because I know that Casimero can really defeat Butler if our compatriot can make it through his weight struggles.

But if Casimero will again have the same problem (I seriously hope not) then I think, he should move up even if his power will somehow decrease because moving up in other division will be his only chance in this industry to lessen his weight problems.

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Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2022, 07:30:45 PM

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Anyhow, just like what others have been speculating, no offense to Butler, but I don't think he has what it takes to take the Monster and bet him. It's good that he got the WBO belt, but he really talks trash about Casimero back then. So they should fight Casimero first, or WBO ordered the fight and whoever be the winner facing Inoue, that will be the perfect setup match.

We do hope that WBO will grant Casimero's request to allow him to become the mandatory challenger for Paul Butler.

It's reasonable to be asked for knowing Butler really didn't fight the real champion although it was Casimero's fault why it turned out like that. If ever granted, I hope a responsible Casimero will emerge this time. It's hard to deal with Inoue if Casimero continues to struggle with his maintaining weight problems. Boxers need to be at their 100% health status when facing the Japanese monster.

I do hope that a title defense will happen first on Butler before Inoue will target the last title at the Bantamweight Division to become the undisputed champion.

True, it's up to the WBO to give in to Casimero's request, if they consider him a very good champion in their organization then hopefully they can grant it. Or if they have the process then Casimero is the mandatory as he will be the top contender, either way, it's should be Casimero.

However, if the champion Butler doesn't want to give John Riel his fight then we can't do anything but to way. Maybe he wants Inoue more because of the money involved or wanted a bigger challenge.

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Manny has shown old age and stiffness of his body he is good for exhibition matches only and for the sake of money not for another belt, he cannot keep up with the younger generation anymore.

The return of Manny Pacquiao to fight in the boxing ring at an old age it is not possible to snatch the belt from a boxer younger than him, maybe he noticed some stats records during his fight with Ugas and opted for exhibition matches only, of course for money not about belts because sponsors have to pay more It's high to reach a contract deal with 2 superstars professional boxers, but regarding the rumors for the list of opponents Mayweather or Amir Khan is very interesting to watch, we will continue to monitor the official news and hopefully it will be released soon.

Contrary to others that looked excited about the exhibition match between Amir Khan and Manny Pacquiao, I do hope that won't happen. It's easy money for Amir Khan and he is not even close to Pacman's strength and fame. That's also an exhibition match and there will be no seriousness in that fight. What can we expect watching this fight? A staged one and scripted to entertain people.

If Pacquiao wants an exhibition make it to the point that it's against a boxer on the same level, Amir Khan is overrated and he should just rest at his home. Don't be like Mayweather that willing to go down in level for the sake of money.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 30, 2022, 07:21:19 PM

Anyhow, just like what others have been speculating, no offense to Butler, but I don't think he has what it takes to take the Monster and bet him. It's good that he got the WBO belt, but he really talks trash about Casimero back then. So they should fight Casimero first, or WBO ordered the fight and whoever be the winner facing Inoue, that will be the perfect setup match.

We do hope that WBO will grant Casimero's request to allow him to become the mandatory challenger for Paul Butler.

It's reasonable to be asked for knowing Butler really didn't fight the real champion although it was Casimero's fault why it turned out like that. If ever granted, I hope a responsible Casimero will emerge this time. It's hard to deal with Inoue if Casimero continues to struggle with his maintaining weight problems. Boxers need to be at their 100% health status when facing the Japanese monster.

I do hope that a title defense will happen first on Butler before Inoue will target the last title at the Bantamweight Division to become the undisputed champion.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 10:02:24 AM

There's no doubt he is the best fighter now in the bantamweight division, and I don't think he will have a hard time beating Butler if both will agree to unify their belts. I'm already seeing a massive favorite on the side of Inoue as Butler although a champion is not ranked at the top compared to Inoue who is a pound for pound fighter.

Butler's record isn't impressive, with 2 losses and less than 50% KO victory. And I think Butlers also suffered a KO on his 2 losses so I don't think he is tougher than any opponent Inoue has met. Butler was floored by Zolani Tete on the eight-round when he was hit by two consecutive left uppercuts.^[1] So it is highly likely that Butler will kiss the canvas if these two fighters meet in the boxing ring.

Speaking of Zolani Tete, he will have a fight against another British fighter, Jason Cunningham in an undercard of Joyce vs Hammer. The fight will be contested on 122 lbs, we all know that Casimero knock out Tete to get the WBO belt.

https://www.dazn.com/en-PH/news/boxing/jason-cunningham-vs-zolani-tete-date-fight-time-tv-channel-and-live-stream/1n7o9m3w9jgn31n7msgues080a

News of retirement, Hanging up the gloves: Former boxing champion Mikey Garcia retires . I would say Mikey's career is good, not that great but he accomplished a lot in his career, champions as 126,130,135,140 lbs, storied career.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 10:02:24 AM

There's no doubt he is the best fighter now in the bantamweight division, and I don't think he will have a hard time beating Butler if both will agree to unify their belts. I'm already seeing a massive favorite on the side of Inoue as Butler although a champion is not ranked at the top compared to Inoue who is a pound for pound fighter.

Butler's record isn't impressive, with 2 losses and less than 50% KO victory. And I think Butlers also suffered a KO on his 2 losses so I don't think he is tougher than any opponent Inoue has met. Butler was floored by Zolani Tete on the eight-round when he was hit by two consecutive left uppercuts.^[1] So it is highly likely that Butler will kiss the canvas if these two fighters meet in the boxing ring.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Butler_(boxer)

It will not attract PPV sales, people will rather wait for the outcome than watch a what will be a one-sided match, the only people who will be excited to see this are those Inoue fanatics who want to see their idol but for bettors and boxing enthusiast this will not include in their schedule, Inoue will soon integrate Butler's belt that will make him the undisputed king of that division, maybe after the fight, he will think of moving up he can take his power in the higher weight division.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 30, 2022, 08:59:46 AM

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Looking at this guy's record doesn't sound any different than the other fighters who have been knockout by Inoue. Looks like Inoue has a high chance to be the undisputed champion at their current weight. It's fine to be the best of all before your will gonna step up to the higher class where powerful boxers await you. Of course, it will be different because you might be surprised by their speed and power too. But if Inoue maintains his style in the upper-weight class, I'm sure he will gonna dominate it as well.

Yeah, if you happen to watch his last fight against Donaire, Inoue had improved a lot! He made Donaire looks like an amateur in their last fight. He also showed his effective feint followed by a knock-out puncher. I was once in doubt of this guy but now I am a fan, lol. Now I am rooting for this young man to win his 4th title and become the undisputed champion of 118 lbs.

That is what a rematch would do to a fighter, I mean Inoue already had the plan on how tackle Donaire's fighting style which he poorly did in their first fight. For me he hasn't improve a lot but he just did what it takes to hurt Donaire and ultimately win the fight via KO.

The good thing about Inoue is he embraced the fact that his stocks raised through the roof with him beating a legend like Donaire in a convincing fashion. Changing of the guards, as they say.

Anything heard from Donaire though? is he going to retire for good?

Anyhow, just like what others have been speculating, no offense to Butler, but I don't think he has what it takes to take the Monster and bet him. It's good that he got the WBO belt, but he really talks trash about Casimero back then. So they should fight Casimero first, or WBO ordered the fight and whoever be the winner facing Inoue, that will be the perfect setup match.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 10:02:24 AM

There's no doubt he is the best fighter now in the bantamweight division, and I don't think he will have a hard time beating Butler if both will agree to unify their belts. I'm already seeing a massive favorite on the side of Inoue as Butler although a champion is not ranked at the top compared to Inoue who is a pound for pound fighter.

Butler's record isn't impressive, with 2 losses and less than 50% KO victory. And I think Butlers also suffered a KO on his 2 losses so I don't think he is tougher than any opponent Inoue has met. Butler was floored by Zolani Tete on the eight-round when he was hit by two consecutive left uppercuts.^[1] So it is highly likely that Butler will kiss the canvas if these two fighters meet in the boxing ring.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Butler_(boxer)

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Quote from: aioc on June 30, 2022, 08:23:40 AM

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Manny has shown old age and stiffness of his body he is good for exhibition matches only and for the sake of money not for another belt, he cannot keep up with the younger generation anymore.

The return of Manny Pacquiao to fight in the boxing ring at an old age it is not possible to snatch the belt from a boxer younger than him, maybe he noticed some stats records during his fight with Ugas and opted for exhibition matches only, of course for money not about belts because sponsors have to pay more It's high to reach a contract deal with 2 superstars professional boxers, but regarding the rumors for the list of opponents Mayweather or Amir Khan is very interesting to watch, we will continue to monitor the official news and hopefully it will be released soon.

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Quote from: yazher on June 29, 2022, 07:30:27 AM

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Looking at this guy's record doesn't sound any different than the other fighters who have been knockout by Inoue. Looks like Inoue has a high chance to be the undisputed champion at their current weight. It's fine to be the best of all before your will gonna step up to the higher class where powerful boxers await you. Of course, it will be different because you might be surprised by their speed and power too. But if Inoue maintains his style in the upper-weight class, I'm sure he will gonna dominate it as well.

Paul Butler will surely struggle soon if this fight against Inoue for the undisputed boxer will materialize, even Donaire had a hard time following the latter's punches and only knew the punch when it landed upon him, what more if it's Paul Butler. The way we saw Inoue's power is already enough to say that he will be the undisputed champion in this division easily.
Until then, I think Inoue will chase another belt in another division if he will claim to be the undisputed champion in the bantamweight division.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 28, 2022, 11:59:58 PM

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The truth is I don't see that Butler has enough level to make a fight against Inoue, the other thing is if Inoue accepts it, we all know very well Inoue's style, if Inoue in that case accepts the fight and if he wins Once with a knockout, Butler's reputation will be very low, how could he get it back? The truth is that Butler is good for me, but he needs more preparation. Instead, I would look for fights with less complicated rivals who seem more likely to win, and not leave once and for all because of a big man like Inoue. Butler must reap more wins to that the fans ask for more fights, and the business model is there in having more fights equals more money.

Looking at statistics of Butler with 34-2-0 winnig 15 fight via KO making it a 44% of his fight won via knockout.

Buttler is currently holding the WBO title so I think Inoue will seek a fight with him to be the undisputed champion. That said, I do think that Inoue has the upper hand if ever these two fighters meet. Inoue holding a record of 23-0 with 20 KO's and currently holds IBF WBA and WBC Titles declared interest in becoming the undisputed champion at 118[1]. Inoue beats the future Hall of Famer Nonito Donaire via 2nd round TKO last Tuesday.

[1] https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-naoya-inoue-one-best-ive-seen-20-30-years--166840

Paul Butler has no choice but to fight against Inoue for an undisputed title fight because he have the missing belt that Inoue needed to become the undisputed champion. But as we saw, Butler was the first one to call for the fight and I seriously don't think that he's that positive and comfortable to defeat Inoue but I'm seeing that action as a way to sell the fight much earlier even if there's no negotiation happened as of this moment and make advantage while he can earn.

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Looking at this guy's record doesn't sound any different than the other fighters who have been knockout by Inoue. Looks like Inoue has a high chance to be the undisputed champion at their current weight. It's fine to be the best of all before your will gonna step up to the higher class where powerful boxers await you. Of course, it will be different because you might be surprised by their speed and power too. But if Inoue maintains his style in the upper-weight class, I'm sure he will gonna dominate it as well.

Yeah, if you happen to watch his last fight against Donaire, Inoue had improved a lot! He made Donaire looks like an amateur in their last fight. He also showed his effective feint followed by a knock-out puncher. I was once in doubt of this guy but now I am a fan, lol. Now I am rooting for this young man to win his 4th title and become the undisputed champion of 118 lbs.

That is what a rematch would do to a fighter, I mean Inoue already had the plan on how tackle Donaire's fighting style which he poorly did in their first fight. For me he hasn't improve a lot but he just did what it takes to hurt Donaire and ultimately win the fight via KO.

The good thing about Inoue is he embraced the fact that his stocks raised through the roof with him beating a legend like Donaire in a convincing fashion. Changing of the guards, as they say.

There's no doubt he is the best fighter now in the bantamweight division, and I don't think he will have a hard time beating Butler if both will agree to unify their belts. I'm already seeing a massive favorite on the side of Inoue as Butler although a champion is not ranked at the top compared to Inoue who is a pound for pound fighter.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 30, 2022, 08:28:24 AM

Quote from: yazher on June 29, 2022, 07:30:27 AM

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Looking at this guy's record doesn't sound any different than the other fighters who have been knockout by Inoue. Looks like Inoue has a high chance to be the undisputed champion at their current weight. It's fine to be the best of all before your will gonna step up to the higher class where powerful boxers await you. Of course, it will be different because you might be surprised by their speed and power too. But if Inoue maintains his style in the upper-weight class, I'm sure he will gonna dominate it as well.

Yeah, if you happen to watch his last fight against Donaire, Inoue had improved a lot! He made Donaire looks like an amateur in their last fight. He also showed his effective feint followed by a knock-out puncher. I was once in doubt of this guy but now I am a fan, lol. Now I am rooting for this young man to win his 4th title and become the undisputed champion of 118 lbs.

That is what a rematch would do to a fighter, I mean Inoue already had the plan on how tackle Donaire's fighting style which he poorly did in their first fight. For me he hasn't improve a lot but he just did what it takes to hurt Donaire and ultimately win the fight via KO.

The good thing about Inoue is he embraced the fact that his stocks raised through the roof with him beating a legend like Donaire in a convincing fashion. Changing of the guards, as they say.

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Quote from: yazher on June 29, 2022, 07:30:27 AM

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Looking at this guy's record doesn't sound any different than the other fighters who have been knockout by Inoue. Looks like Inoue has a high chance to be the undisputed champion at their current weight. It's fine to be the best of all before your will gonna step up to the higher class where powerful boxers await you. Of course, it will be different because you might be surprised by their speed and power too. But if Inoue maintains his style in the upper-weight class, I'm sure he will gonna dominate it as well.

Yeah, if you happen to watch his last fight against Donaire, Inoue had improved a lot! He made Donaire looks like an amateur in their last fight. He also showed his effective feint followed by a knock-out puncher. I was once in doubt of this guy but now I am a fan, lol. Now I am rooting for this young man to win his 4th title and become the undisputed champion of 118 lbs.

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about pacman challenge to hold the Fight of the Century fight again has not been welcomed by Mayweather and I think if Mayweather later agrees to the fight, of course we will see the two boxing legends fight again in the ring, apart from Mayweather reportedly now Amir Khan is ready to face Pacman in the fight exhibition boxing event but so far there has been no official confirmation from Pacman to approve or reject the challenge of Amir Khan.

We have 2 collections of the best boxing rumors that are very convincing can come from one of them, the most convincing rumors for Amir Khan because he is reported to have answered the challenge from coach Pacquiao, Freddie Roach has contacted Amir khan for an exhibition fight via telephone, although Manny Pacquiao has not released the official news but the involvement of Freddie Roach is already very sure the fight will be released within this year.

That would be an easy fight for Pacman, the glass chin against an 8 division world champion, that would be fun to watch especially if we will see a KO. However, since it's just an exhibition fight, we don't know if they would really be serious with it or will just strictly follow the script.

Not really an easy fight for Pacquiao remember Manny's loss to a tall guy who just uses a lot of jabs, to ward off Manny and this is not the Pacquiao we've known that beats the unbeaten Thurman, Manny has shown old age and stiffness of his body he is good for exhibition matches only and for the sake of money not for another belt, he cannot keep up with the younger generation anymore.

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Quote from: erep on June 30, 2022, 06:46:23 AM

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about pacman challenge to hold the Fight of the Century fight again has not been welcomed by Mayweather and I think if Mayweather later agrees to the fight, of course we will see the two boxing legends fight again in the ring, apart from Mayweather reportedly now Amir Khan is ready to face Pacman in the fight exhibition boxing event but so far there has been no official confirmation from Pacman to approve or reject the challenge of Amir Khan.

We have 2 collections of the best boxing rumors that are very convincing can come from one of them, the most convincing rumors for Amir Khan because he is reported to have answered the challenge from coach Pacquiao, Freddie Roach has contacted Amir khan for an exhibition fight via telephone, although Manny Pacquiao has not released the official news but the involvement of Freddie Roach is already very sure the fight will be released within this year.

That would be an easy fight for Pacman, the glass chin against an 8 division world champion, that would be fun to watch especially if we will see a KO. However, since it's just an exhibition fight, we don't know if they would really be serious with it or will just strictly follow the script.

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Quote from: mia_houston on June 30, 2022, 06:23:00 AM

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about pacman challenge to hold the Fight of the Century fight again has not been welcomed by Mayweather and I think if Mayweather later agrees to the fight, of course we will see the two boxing legends fight again in the ring, apart from Mayweather reportedly now Amir Khan is ready to face Pacman in the fight exhibition boxing event but so far there has been no official confirmation from Pacman to approve or reject the challenge of Amir Khan.

We have 2 collections of the best boxing rumors that are very convincing can come from one of them, the most convincing rumors for Amir Khan because he is reported to have answered the challenge from coach Pacquiao, Freddie Roach has contacted Amir khan for an exhibition fight via telephone, although Manny Pacquiao has not released the official news but the involvement of Freddie Roach is already very sure the fight will be released within this year.

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Indeed, rumors says that Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather will share a ring again to have a last dance for an exhibition fight but that remains a speculation for now as Pacquiao's camp is still resting and taking some time to bond to his family because he exhausted his time and efforts for the presidential race few months ago. Let's if that will happen or not, soon!

I also stumbled on those rumor articles about the possible return of Manny Pacquiao to the ring. First, it's about against Mayweather. And there are many speculations that I can't remember the names of those fighters. As long as Pacquiao has no statement, that will remain a rumor.

He is currently out of the country for a vacation after losing the PH Presidential bid and as we know Manny, when he is out of the country, he is not just doing a vacation but making business. Maybe one of those is his return on the right for an exhibition match. Well, as long as it was against a big name too, he can pursue exhibition matches.

Who knows something is currently brewing behind the scene.

After the defeat of the presidential election now pacman seems to be enjoying a vacation to barcelona to relieve the stress of the defeat, I think although the defeat did not stop him from politics of course there is a possibility for him to return to the boxing ring at this time to spend his time, about pacman challenge to hold the Fight of the Century fight again has not been welcomed by Mayweather and I think if Mayweather later agrees to the fight, of course we will see the two boxing legends fight again in the ring, apart from Mayweather reportedly now Amir Khan is ready to face Pacman in the fight exhibition boxing event but so far there has been no official confirmation from Pacman to approve or reject the challenge of Amir Khan.

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We may have a great fight on July 30 on Showtime,

Danny Garcia vs Jose Benavidez at 154 lbs.

For sure some of you might be familiar with the name Danny Garcia as he was once a 147 lbs champions. But he lost to some of the best welterweight that time, Spence, Thurman and Porter. Now he decided to move up to 154 lbs and challenge one of the most dangerous fighter in that division. Years ago Benavidez put a good fight against Crawford.

This could be one underrated fight this July. I will admit that I'm a fan of Danny Garcia during his prime I said this because I think he doesn't have it and he is really a B fighter, because when he step with the big guns at 147 lbs he losses, but he possesses one of the best left hook that I have seen. And then Jose Benavidez could still have the power at 154 lbs. Not sure though why he is not rated at any organizations at this weight class. But definitely, this is going to be a good clash of styles as well, but I will favor Benavidez maybe by a decision.

Yes, he is one of the best during his prime, but I think he still have some good fight in his bag. This is going to be a close fight against Benavidez. Experience wise I will favor Garcia, but not sure if he can carry his left at this division, but will be 50/50 in terms of power. So the fight might go to distance and it's going to be close, so I wouldn't be surprised if Garcia somewhat pulled a win here.

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