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Quote from: goinmerry on May 21, 2022, 07:58:23 AM

Now that Canelo loses, I wonder who's the next opponent for GGG in September. Will he still push for a trilogy with Canelo or will change a target.

The Canelo - GGG fight is still worth having and GGG should still consider Canelo, this guy beat him and it reflects on his record and legacy that Canelo beat him, he is in the twilight of his career, so it's better to have one last fight that will redeem that loss,
Even if the money is not that huge, he should consider giving it to the community because that's what the boxing community ask and it's been a long time.

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Quote from: aioc on May 20, 2022, 08:02:33 AM

I don't think people even in Mexico believe that Canelo won this match, I was even surprised that Canelo raised his hand, for what because he survived the fight or he still believes that its a close fight and he gets the win,

There's no issue regarding raising hands after the fight. It's common to see at the end of a match even a boxer is aware that the result won't be favored.

I believed too that if Canelo was able to show a close fight even Bivol is a clear winner, judges might turn the scorecard in favor of Canelo. There's a big money waiting for the anticipated Canelo vs GGG III that's why to put hype on that fight, Canelo needs to win.

Now that Canelo loses, I wonder who's the next opponent for GGG in September. Will he still push for a trilogy with Canelo or will change a target.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2022, 03:49:49 AM

What a disappointment! The big WBC eliminator between Kingry Garcia and Pitbull Cruz is now officially off. Both fighters have different fight contracts accordingly that made the WBC to just rescind it. In the first place, this is already a difficult fight to stage. Ryan Garcia is with Golden Boy Promotions which is aligned with DAZN while Isaac Cruz I believe is still with Manny Pacquiao Promotions and televised by a rival network PBC/Showtime.

Fight fans once again deprived of what could have been another great fight. And the winner of this fight should have been the mandatory of the winner between undefeated champions George Kambosos and Devin Haney.

This is now the problem of modern-day boxing, there are too many promotions and boxing organizations that failed to agree on the path of their boxers, that is why the best boxers are having hard times negotiating with each other to complete a deal.

We have a lot of great boxers now but the boxing community can only hope that they complete a deal and agreed to fight they are all just talking and blaming each other when there is no deal made, we all missed the old boxing great when boxers want to establish their legacy by fighting the best out there.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2022, 03:49:49 AM

What a disappointment! The big WBC eliminator between Kingry Garcia and Pitbull Cruz is now officially off. Both fighters have different fight contracts accordingly that made the WBC to just rescind it. In the first place, this is already a difficult fight to stage. Ryan Garcia is with Golden Boy Promotions which is aligned with DAZN while Isaac Cruz I believe is still with Manny Pacquiao Promotions and televised by a rival network PBC/Showtime.

Fight fans once again deprived of what could have been another great fight. And the winner of this fight should have been the mandatory of the winner between undefeated champions George Kambosos and Devin Haney.

Kingry Garcia may have been annoyed, with his preparations. His mentality and maturity had to be postponed due to internal matters surrounding the match. I am waiting for the broadcast, friends, even for every WBc path. George Kambosos and Devin Haney despite how many years apart they are but it's very strong. I predict Haney will be better than his opponent, but that's just an option. we'll see what happens

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What a disappointment! The big WBC eliminator between Kingry Garcia and Pitbull Cruz is now officially off. Both fighters have different fight contracts accordingly that made the WBC to just rescind it. In the first place, this is already a difficult fight to stage. Ryan Garcia is with Golden Boy Promotions which is aligned with DAZN while Isaac Cruz I believe is still with Manny Pacquiao Promotions and televised by a rival network PBC/Showtime.

Fight fans once again deprived of what could have been another great fight. And the winner of this fight should have been the mandatory of the winner between undefeated champions George Kambosos and Devin Haney.

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Quote from: agustina2 on May 20, 2022, 07:15:28 AM

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If we take an honest fight score, the result will be much more discouraging than 115 - 113. I saw that independent experts put the result of this fight as 117-111 and the BoxingScene.com edition gave a score of 118-110. This is a complete declassing, and it is obvious that with such a result, revenge is meaningless. I think now even GGG has no desire to fight Canello - he has lost the halo of a great champion.

There's even an article I encountered that if only Canelo make the fight close, the judges might favor him as it was easy to manipulate the scorecard if Canelo shows a close fight with Bivol. We should remember that the arena they fought was the same arena where Canelo beat GGG leaving questions on the boxing fans. But it's clear that Bivol dominates Canelo at most rounds that's why manipulation can't be done or else it will be a big controversy.

After the loss of Canelo, never heard GGG having a hint about it.

This is a common situation where the reigning champion gets the win even with a "slightly" lost fight (unless there was a knockout). The challenger must show that he is much stronger than the champion to take the title. Bivol was able to do it, but still the judges' assessments were too "indulgent" for Canello, as he was simply destroyed in the ring.

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Quote from: aioc on May 20, 2022, 08:02:33 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on May 20, 2022, 07:15:28 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 02:53:00 AM

If we take an honest fight score, the result will be much more discouraging than 115 - 113. I saw that independent experts put the result of this fight as 117-111 and the BoxingScene.com edition gave a score of 118-110. This is a complete declassing, and it is obvious that with such a result, revenge is meaningless. I think now even GGG has no desire to fight Canello - he has lost the halo of a great champion.

There's even an article I encountered that if only Canelo make the fight close, the judges might favor him as it was easy to manipulate the scorecard if Canelo shows a close fight with Bivol. We should remember that the arena they fought was the same arena where Canelo beat GGG leaving questions on the boxing fans. But it's clear that Bivol dominates Canelo at most rounds that's why manipulation can't be done or else it will be a big controversy.

After the loss of Canelo, never heard GGG having a hint about it.

I don't think people even in Mexico believe that Canelo won this match, I was even surprised that Canelo raised his hand, for what because he survived the fight or he still believes that its a close fight and he gets the win, Canelo fought like Canelo on this match but Bivol and his team prepared for this fight and Bivol can take his best punches that is the reason he did not run and opted to do counter punch.

He baits Canelo to come forward and hit him so he can launch his counter punches, Bivol did a very great job, I don't want to see a rematch here although Canelo can bring a different fight next time, I want the GGG fight to happen because for a long time this is what the fans wants and I still believe it's the fight to make for both guys.

Canelo has not experienced a loss for a while, so he was thinking if would be the same result as his previous fight. And yes, I agree with you, it's very obvious that Canelo lost the fight because Bivol has been controlling the fight, it was a unanimous win by Bivol and no one should protest that.

Well, Canelo is given an opportunity for a rematch, then maybe he can win by making sure to KO Bivol so it will not anymore go to the judges' scorecards.

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Quote from: agustina2 on May 20, 2022, 07:15:28 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 02:53:00 AM

If we take an honest fight score, the result will be much more discouraging than 115 - 113. I saw that independent experts put the result of this fight as 117-111 and the BoxingScene.com edition gave a score of 118-110. This is a complete declassing, and it is obvious that with such a result, revenge is meaningless. I think now even GGG has no desire to fight Canello - he has lost the halo of a great champion.

There's even an article I encountered that if only Canelo make the fight close, the judges might favor him as it was easy to manipulate the scorecard if Canelo shows a close fight with Bivol. We should remember that the arena they fought was the same arena where Canelo beat GGG leaving questions on the boxing fans. But it's clear that Bivol dominates Canelo at most rounds that's why manipulation can't be done or else it will be a big controversy.

After the loss of Canelo, never heard GGG having a hint about it.

I don't think people even in Mexico believe that Canelo won this match, I was even surprised that Canelo raised his hand, for what because he survived the fight or he still believes that its a close fight and he gets the win, Canelo fought like Canelo on this match but Bivol and his team prepared for this fight and Bivol can take his best punches that is the reason he did not run and opted to do counter punch.

He baits Canelo to come forward and hit him so he can launch his counter punches, Bivol did a very great job, I don't want to see a rematch here although Canelo can bring a different fight next time, I want the GGG fight to happen because for a long time this is what the fans wants and I still believe it's the fight to make for both guys.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 02:53:00 AM

If we take an honest fight score, the result will be much more discouraging than 115 - 113. I saw that independent experts put the result of this fight as 117-111 and the BoxingScene.com edition gave a score of 118-110. This is a complete declassing, and it is obvious that with such a result, revenge is meaningless. I think now even GGG has no desire to fight Canello - he has lost the halo of a great champion.

There's even an article I encountered that if only Canelo make the fight close, the judges might favor him as it was easy to manipulate the scorecard if Canelo shows a close fight with Bivol. We should remember that the arena they fought was the same arena where Canelo beat GGG leaving questions on the boxing fans. But it's clear that Bivol dominates Canelo at most rounds that's why manipulation can't be done or else it will be a big controversy.

After the loss of Canelo, never heard GGG having a hint about it.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 20, 2022, 03:12:36 AM

Quote from: harizen on May 19, 2022, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 19, 2022, 04:59:34 PM

The truth is that if I would like to see a rematch of these two, Bivol should accept the rematch,

Dmitry Bivol is always ready and prepared for a rematch but Canelo's advisors or even boxing analyst says that it's not a good idea to have a rematch with Bivol. We can't even see Canelo having a talk about this then it means he might understand the risks once he goes against Bivol again. I'm with the idea that Canelo's next match won't be either a rematch with Bivol or a trilogy with Canelo.

The way Canelo performed against Bivol, the result will just be repeated. We didn't see the fierce Canelo in that match because Bivol did a great job destroying the rhythm of Canelo. With that Bivol's strategy, Canelo become disappointed and didn't able to focus seriously on the fight. GGG might not be interested anymore with Canelo and will pick another good match before retiring.

Absolutely, that was such a huge loss for Canelo. We can even see on his face and his demeanor during the fight he's upset and frustrated all the time coz his movements became limited because of Bivol's defensive and offensive strategy plus the size. So, yeah I think a rematch will only have the same outcome.
Now, GGG might also not going to pursue their trilogy after this huge loss.

Well I'm thinking otherwise, take out GGG first and then later chase Bivol if he wanted to avenge his lost.

Fans are still waiting for the trilogy with GGG despite Canelo being defeated by Bivol. I mean the table is still there in the table and I believed it is still very big that Canelo can't refused it. Was just a bad stylistic match up for him fighting the bigger champion in Light Heavy weight.

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Quote from: harizen on May 19, 2022, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 19, 2022, 04:59:34 PM

The truth is that if I would like to see a rematch of these two, Bivol should accept the rematch,

Dmitry Bivol is always ready and prepared for a rematch but Canelo's advisors or even boxing analyst says that it's not a good idea to have a rematch with Bivol. We can't even see Canelo having a talk about this then it means he might understand the risks once he goes against Bivol again. I'm with the idea that Canelo's next match won't be either a rematch with Bivol or a trilogy with Canelo.

The way Canelo performed against Bivol, the result will just be repeated. We didn't see the fierce Canelo in that match because Bivol did a great job destroying the rhythm of Canelo. With that Bivol's strategy, Canelo become disappointed and didn't able to focus seriously on the fight. GGG might not be interested anymore with Canelo and will pick another good match before retiring.

Absolutely, that was such a huge loss for Canelo. We can even see on his face and his demeanor during the fight he's upset and frustrated all the time coz his movements became limited because of Bivol's defensive and offensive strategy plus the size. So, yeah I think a rematch will only have the same outcome.
Now, GGG might also not going to pursue their trilogy after this huge loss.

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Quote from: harizen on May 19, 2022, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 19, 2022, 04:59:34 PM

The truth is that if I would like to see a rematch of these two, Bivol should accept the rematch,

Dmitry Bivol is always ready and prepared for a rematch but Canelo's advisors or even boxing analyst says that it's not a good idea to have a rematch with Bivol. We can't even see Canelo having a talk about this then it means he might understand the risks once he goes against Bivol again. I'm with the idea that Canelo's next match won't be either a rematch with Bivol or a trilogy with Canelo.

The way Canelo performed against Bivol, the result will just be repeated. We didn't see the fierce Canelo in that match because Bivol did a great job destroying the rhythm of Canelo. With that Bivol's strategy, Canelo become disappointed and didn't able to focus seriously on the fight. GGG might not be interested anymore with Canelo and will pick another good match before retiring.

If we take an honest fight score, the result will be much more discouraging than 115 - 113. I saw that independent experts put the result of this fight as 117-111 and the BoxingScene.com edition gave a score of 118-110. This is a complete declassing, and it is obvious that with such a result, revenge is meaningless. I think now even GGG has no desire to fight Canello - he has lost the halo of a great champion.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 19, 2022, 04:59:34 PM

The truth is that if I would like to see a rematch of these two, Bivol should accept the rematch,

Dmitry Bivol is always ready and prepared for a rematch but Canelo's advisors or even boxing analyst says that it's not a good idea to have a rematch with Bivol. We can't even see Canelo having a talk about this then it means he might understand the risks once he goes against Bivol again. I'm with the idea that Canelo's next match won't be either a rematch with Bivol or a trilogy with Canelo.

The way Canelo performed against Bivol, the result will just be repeated. We didn't see the fierce Canelo in that match because Bivol did a great job destroying the rhythm of Canelo. With that Bivol's strategy, Canelo become disappointed and didn't able to focus seriously on the fight. GGG might not be interested anymore with Canelo and will pick another good match before retiring.

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 11, 2022, 06:36:07 PM

There's an article I read yesterday that Canelo Alvarez shouldn't request or plan to go rematch with Dmitry Bivol.

One of the reasons is, that Bivol might put him again in another losing scenario.

What's your opinion here guys? What do you want to expect next for Canelo Alvarez?

a) A rematch against Dmitry Bivol
b) A trilogy with GGG (low chances for now because of Canelo's recent loss)

Both are projected to happen in September this year.

The truth is that if I would like to see a rematch of these two, Bivol should accept the rematch, with that if he wins he becomes much more entrenched in his position of being far superior to him, on the other hand the Canelo and GGG thing no longer makes sense to me , because in everyone's mind is the loss of him against Bivol, rather the ideal fight would be Bivol vs GGG, and I think it would be much more exciting because at one point there would have to be a great fight, GGG for his part would have to win everything that comes from now on so that everything happens in a more emotional environment, the fight would be a success for the boxing industry, obviously a lot of money would be moved.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 15, 2022, 02:16:08 AM

There was going to be a fight between Floyd Mayweather and Don Moore. That was going to be an exhibition fight in UAE, but it was cancelled due to Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan passed away.

There were reports that the fight might push through this weekend:

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Floyd Mayweather will proceed with his Dubai adventure.

Confusion as to when Mayweather’s previously postponed rematch with ‘Dangerous’ Don Moore will resurface appears to have been resolved, with the show back in play for this Saturday in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The event takes place one week after the planned May 14 show was forced to shut down due to the sudden passing of UAE president Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, who died at the age of 73 last Friday.

https://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-mayweather-don-moore-back-play-21-dubai--166324

Anyhow, this is obvious money grab for Floyd as he chooses a no name opponent and then fighting in a rich nation like UAE. Perhaps there's some rich Arab behind this fight and more money is being offered to Floyd that's why he chooses to have this kind of exhibition fights.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 15, 2022, 06:56:29 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 15, 2022, 06:01:41 AM

For Charlo vs Castano, what a ending, Charlo proving himself in this fight. And Castano's reaction to the left hook was delayed, but obviously it had some power behind because after that his legs is gone and Charlo finishes him for good with that left hook again, body shot for the 2nd knock down.

On that first knockdown, it was obvious that the fight was over because as what you have said, Castano's legs were gone, and yet the referee let the latter continue to fight, only to be punished more Sad

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I was fortunate on not betting on this fight because I could have chosen Castano because I felt that this guy has the tools to beat Charlo but it seems that Charlo got the better of him tonight.

I didn't pull the trigger as well in this fight, hehehe. Hard to decide because of the result of the first fight. Nevertheless, I was on the Charlo's bandwagon for years now (I'm sure you know that, Wink

) so probably I will go with Jermell here.

But let's see what his next move as @inthelongrun said, he still has a lot of challengers in the horizon, lots of option for him as he become the undisputed.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 15, 2022, 02:16:08 AM

There was going to be a fight between Floyd Mayweather and Don Moore. That was going to be an exhibition fight in UAE, but it was cancelled due to Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan passed away.

Does any one knows what is the story behind this two? Their fight wasnt promoted as usually, Moore havent boxed for years. It was just a an entertainment fight that sheikhs paid for? And Floyd and Moore were just entertainment puppets?

Really? I haven't even heard about this upcoming exhibition fight between Floyd Mayweather vs Don Moore if you didn't mentioned about it.
I did some research regarding about this fight and it shows that this fight have been published for about 4 to 5 week ago and honestly, I didn't know that there would be this kind of fight especially when Floyd Mayweather's name is tagged.

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It was just a an entertainment fight that sheikhs paid for? And Floyd and Moore were just entertainment puppets?

We cannot really confirm that speculation but since this fight wasn't promoted so much just like what you've said, we could somehow say that this fight is one of Sheikh's last wishes and there's nothing wrong to be called as an entertainment puppets if the one who is paying you is the President of UAE. Anyway, I've read that Global Titans which is a promoter of this fight said that a new date will be announce “very soon”.

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I see the whole fight because im Argentinian, lets me explain one thing.

For me clearly in this fight Charlo wins, because he punch better, but we have one thing we cant understimated , Castaño has to push all the round to the limit because in the previous fight he was stealed the win in the cards.

For all of those who dont remeber in the first fight Castaño have win and look at the MEGA STEAL.

- one judge Castaño win 115-114
- one judge put a draw
- and the final judge puts Charlo 118-110 win. A clearly fault of respect.

And the two first judge was clearly stealed Castaño also because he wins for a clearly margin.

In this fight nothing to say Charlo management excelent the fight an d have the luck to connect a K.O.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 15, 2022, 06:37:49 AM

Who watched Evander Holyfield's son Evan? The former unbeaten son of a legend was brutally stopped in the second round after getting hit in the jaw. Currently his record stands now at 9-1-6.

I watched that fight and it was a brutal knockout, if a boxer falls facedown on the canvass there's no way he can get back on his feet in time, Evan Holyfield is a heavy favorite because he is fighting an unknown fighter with a lot of losses but unfortunately this guy has heavy hands, he delivers that jab with a snap, and it was a well-timed right straight.
I just hope Evan is ok and he can go back again he is still a very promising boxer he just needs to improve his defense.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 15, 2022, 06:56:29 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 15, 2022, 06:01:41 AM

For Charlo vs Castano, what a ending, Charlo proving himself in this fight. And Castano's reaction to the left hook was delayed, but obviously it had some power behind because after that his legs is gone and Charlo finishes him for good with that left hook again, body shot for the 2nd knock down.

On that first knockdown, it was obvious that the fight was over because as what you have said, Castano's legs were gone, and yet the referee let the latter continue to fight, only to be punished more Sad

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I was fortunate on not betting on this fight because I could have chosen Castano because I felt that this guy has the tools to beat Charlo but it seems that Charlo got the better of him tonight.

It was good fight as both fighters are willing to give everything for a toe to toe fight, it's just that, Charlo is way more faster and stronger so he won the fight. I like this kind of fight because it's very entertaining, it's just sad that I was not able to put my bet on this fight, I would have bet on Charlo to win by KO.

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