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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2022, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 11, 2022, 07:16:51 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 10:17:54 PM

So be it, this is still as interesting as Inoue vs Casimero. When we thought that Donaire is over the hill already, he shows some brilliance in his last couple of months paving the way for a rematch.

I do hope that the fight will happen in the US, so that there will be no restrictions from fight fans to be able to watch the fight live and for sure the tickets can be sold out and this is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division.

We can probably see about Inoue vs Casimero soon after the latter is finish to his fight next month against Butler, and the other possibility is a rematch between Inoue and Donaire since the Japanese boxer have said that he's going back this June. Either way, we'll see some news this coming few weeks or next month.

I think this match is very interesting, I hope it can take place, although I really wish the GGG vs. Canelo match could take place, it's a fight that looks very interesting, but I don't know how many fights there should be between both boxers and others so that they can get to it, I also have doubts about the fight with Bivol, we all know that he is a Russian boxer and that due to all the sanctions that the world has given to the country, in this particular one they have not pronounced, it will be because of the huge amount of money that moves here? because here there have been no such prohibitions (which seems good to me, I don't see politics) and I hope that it can happen, but will that fight be in check?

It will definitely happen in the future, Canelo already is opening his mouth about the potential fight. They even have a date already, going to be around September of his year. The sanction is that no fights is going to happen in Russia, but him being a Russian though could post a threat against a fight with Canelo. But we will see, this boxing body is somewhat biased towards Canelo because he is the cash cow so maybe they will allow this fight to happen in May. And we all know that the war doesn't sit with most of the Russians and for sure Bivol could be one of them.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2022, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 11, 2022, 07:16:51 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 10:17:54 PM

So be it, this is still as interesting as Inoue vs Casimero. When we thought that Donaire is over the hill already, he shows some brilliance in his last couple of months paving the way for a rematch.

I do hope that the fight will happen in the US, so that there will be no restrictions from fight fans to be able to watch the fight live and for sure the tickets can be sold out and this is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division.

We can probably see about Inoue vs Casimero soon after the latter is finish to his fight next month against Butler, and the other possibility is a rematch between Inoue and Donaire since the Japanese boxer have said that he's going back this June. Either way, we'll see some news this coming few weeks or next month.

I think this match is very interesting, I hope it can take place, although I really wish the GGG vs. Canelo match could take place, it's a fight that looks very interesting, but I don't know how many fights there should be between both boxers and others so that they can get to it, I also have doubts about the fight with Bivol, we all know that he is a Russian boxer and that due to all the sanctions that the world has given to the country, in this particular one they have not pronounced, it will be because of the huge amount of money that moves here? because here there have been no such prohibitions (which seems good to me, I don't see politics) and I hope that it can happen, but will that fight be in check?

GGG vs Canelo would happen if the rumors are true, but they have to defeat their opponent first in their coming fight. As a fan, all I wish is to see a fight between the best of the best, and GGG vs Canelo is surely one of the best fights to see and of course, our very own Casimero fighting Inoue, that's another treat.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 11, 2022, 07:16:51 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 10:17:54 PM

So be it, this is still as interesting as Inoue vs Casimero. When we thought that Donaire is over the hill already, he shows some brilliance in his last couple of months paving the way for a rematch.

I do hope that the fight will happen in the US, so that there will be no restrictions from fight fans to be able to watch the fight live and for sure the tickets can be sold out and this is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division.

We can probably see about Inoue vs Casimero soon after the latter is finish to his fight next month against Butler, and the other possibility is a rematch between Inoue and Donaire since the Japanese boxer have said that he's going back this June. Either way, we'll see some news this coming few weeks or next month.

I think this match is very interesting, I hope it can take place, although I really wish the GGG vs. Canelo match could take place, it's a fight that looks very interesting, but I don't know how many fights there should be between both boxers and others so that they can get to it, I also have doubts about the fight with Bivol, we all know that he is a Russian boxer and that due to all the sanctions that the world has given to the country, in this particular one they have not pronounced, it will be because of the huge amount of money that moves here? because here there have been no such prohibitions (which seems good to me, I don't see politics) and I hope that it can happen, but will that fight be in check?

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Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 10:17:54 PM

So be it, this is still as interesting as Inoue vs Casimero. When we thought that Donaire is over the hill already, he shows some brilliance in his last couple of months paving the way for a rematch.

I do hope that the fight will happen in the US, so that there will be no restrictions from fight fans to be able to watch the fight live and for sure the tickets can be sold out and this is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division.

We can probably see about Inoue vs Casimero soon after the latter is finish to his fight next month against Butler, and the other possibility is a rematch between Inoue and Donaire since the Japanese boxer have said that he's going back this June. Either way, we'll see some news this coming few weeks or next month.

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Quote from: harizen on March 08, 2022, 07:10:04 PM

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Though I want to see the rematch, but I'd interested to see Casimero vs Inoue first. Donaire is better than Casimero, so he should be in the last fight if Casimero lose from Inoue.

Sounds good but it will derailed their respective timeline.

- Naoya Inoue wants to plan of coming back in June but that was depend on Japan's restriction which from what I read, will be lifted now on April instead of the speculation that it will be on June. Therefore, the Japanese monster might fight right away and Donaire is the best pick for that.

- Casimero will fight Paul Butler next month. if let's say he win, it needs again another 3 months of preparation to fight another boxer. I think 2 months is not enough for Casimero to rest and prepare against Inoue.

- Donaire also don't want to wait hanging for long. If he will be on the final stage, he have to wait until 4Q to face either Casimero and Inoue.

But that's all "what if".

I also read about that speculation, Inoue's target will be on June this year and just like as you said, 2 months of preparation alone won't be enough for Casimero as he needs to rest first after his fight with Butler this April. So the best case scenario is that Inoue will face Donaire first, a rematch. Also, Bob Arum isn't interested in Casimero for now and he definitely another boxer in mind whom he wants to fight with his boy.
Here's the article, but this one was released last January 24, 2022. After that, there's no update about Inoue's next opponet.

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“The Monster’s” ring return is now targeted for June. Unsurprisingly, his main targets are still WBC champ Nonito Donaire and WBO champ John Riel Casimero.

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So be it, this is still as interesting as Inoue vs Casimero. When we thought that Donaire is over the hill already, he shows some brilliance in his last couple of months paving the way for a rematch.

I do hope that the fight will happen in the US, so that there will be no restrictions from fight fans to be able to watch the fight live and for sure the tickets can be sold out and this is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division.

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Perhaps it will be just sign in April and the actual month might happen in the next coming months.

I don't think they have plans to do the fight the same month or even the same week with Casimero fight against Butler.

There's actually nothing wrong if the fight will be held the same month but should not be on the same week.

But my concern is, how's the preparation time? There could be an advanced prompt that those 2 boxers received to prepare early which is not disclosed to the public because their match is likely to happen.

I read the article and it's clear that Arum pointed out that the match is in April, not a signing. But I agree, it seems a rush. They can do it the month later which is in May but if there's no problem between Inoue and Donaire, then all set up next month.

Yes, that's the point, it's a rush, boxers needed at least a good 8 weeks to train and then we have the promotion.

So we will see, maybe they are really started this training already and just didn't divulge it to the public. We all know that Arum is a master planner so this could be part of his grand plan about this fight. Create hype and portray that they don't have enough time to prepare for the fight.

It's because the fight has been in works since January of this year.

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The first fight was recognised as a modern day classic and now it looks as though bantamweights Naoya Inoue and Nonito Donaire are going to do it again. As per a tweet that was put out by boxing writer Manouk Akopyan, the two champions have started negotiations for an April rematch, with Donaire’s Probellum promoter Richard Schaefer informing Akopyan of the news. And this is indeed exciting news.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/naoya-inoue-vs-nonito-donaire-ii-eyed-for-april/210694

So there is no master plan from Arum, simply they have this in works since the start of the year and could have sign the contract like in February or early March. And that's why they just announced it this week. So they have been preparing for this fight months ago prior to the official announcement.

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 08, 2022, 07:19:05 PM

Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

This is a big news. Donaire even at his age has that Knock Out power and can matched against young ones and still on prime. I able to watched the highlights during the fight between him and Inoue and the champion really struggles but still end up winning.

A Part II is the fans wants to see fight instead of Casimero vs Inoue.

Expecting Bob Arum to make this happen and not just a speculation.

So is Inoue. He has more knockout power than Donaire, most of his opponents seem to have misjudged it because he is smaller but after the fight, they realized he is just not a heavy hitter but fast too. I don't see the change of result still but it may be challenging now for Inoue to beat Donaire because Donaire can now gauge how hard the punch is and may take extra precautions in this rematch.

Casimero vs Inoue might be delayed too as we all know about the issues in his coming fight with Butler. Disappointing to see fights that are long-awaited getting postponed almost every time these days.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 08, 2022, 07:52:50 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 07, 2022, 10:03:05 PM

Perhaps it will be just sign in April and the actual month might happen in the next coming months.

I don't think they have plans to do the fight the same month or even the same week with Casimero fight against Butler.

There's actually nothing wrong if the fight will be held the same month but should not be on the same week.

But my concern is, how's the preparation time? There could be an advanced prompt that those 2 boxers received to prepare early which is not disclosed to the public because their match is likely to happen.

I read the article and it's clear that Arum pointed out that the match is in April, not a signing. But I agree, it seems a rush. They can do it the month later which is in May but if there's no problem between Inoue and Donaire, then all set up next month.

Yes, that's the point, it's a rush, boxers needed at least a good 8 weeks to train and then we have the promotion.

So we will see, maybe they are really started this training already and just didn't divulge it to the public. We all know that Arum is a master planner so this could be part of his grand plan about this fight. Create hype and portray that they don't have enough time to prepare for the fight.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 07, 2022, 10:03:05 PM

Perhaps it will be just sign in April and the actual month might happen in the next coming months.

I don't think they have plans to do the fight the same month or even the same week with Casimero fight against Butler.

There's actually nothing wrong if the fight will be held the same month but should not be on the same week.

But my concern is, how's the preparation time? There could be an advanced prompt that those 2 boxers received to prepare early which is not disclosed to the public because their match is likely to happen.

I read the article and it's clear that Arum pointed out that the match is in April, not a signing. But I agree, it seems a rush. They can do it the month later which is in May but if there's no problem between Inoue and Donaire, then all set up next month.

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

This is a big news. Donaire even at his age has that Knock Out power and can matched against young ones and still on prime. I able to watched the highlights during the fight between him and Inoue and the champion really struggles but still end up winning.

A Part II is the fans wants to see fight instead of Casimero vs Inoue.

Expecting Bob Arum to make this happen and not just a speculation.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 07, 2022, 09:01:29 PM

Though I want to see the rematch, but I'd interested to see Casimero vs Inoue first. Donaire is better than Casimero, so he should be in the last fight if Casimero lose from Inoue.

Sounds good but it will derailed their respective timeline.

- Naoya Inoue wants to plan of coming back in June but that was depend on Japan's restriction which from what I read, will be lifted now on April instead of the speculation that it will be on June. Therefore, the Japanese monster might fight right away and Donaire is the best pick for that.

- Casimero will fight Paul Butler next month. if let's say he win, it needs again another 3 months of preparation to fight another boxer. I think 2 months is not enough for Casimero to rest and prepare against Inoue.

- Donaire also don't want to wait hanging for long. If he will be on the final stage, he have to wait until 4Q to face either Casimero and Inoue.

But that's all "what if".

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

Wow, now Donaire got Inoue first. A lot are wanting to see the Inoue vs. Casimero. But seems that Donaire will finally settle what's left here. Can Donaire beat Inoue before his retirement? This will be another interesting fight. April is already next month, so maybe, both camps are in the final arrangement regarding this deal. But when it comes to favorite, I believe, Inoue will still be favored here and Donaire will be the underdog. Regarding the gap of odds, may not be that wide.

I disagree because Casimero's name is not as big as Nonito Donaire. Casimero's was also made to look like a clown versus Rigondeaux after he was saying before the fight that he would knock Rigondeaux out. Donaire's last 2 fights ended his opponents in knockouts. If you are the promoter would you promote the fight that will be liked less and sell less tickets or will you promote a rematch between 2 exciting boxers in the bantamweight division?

However, why is Bob Arum making this fight only 1 month after the speculative announcement? Inoue and Donaire do not need to train? But this is an important fight.

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Quote from: 24Kt on March 07, 2022, 06:50:03 PM

Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

Wow, now Donaire got Inoue first. A lot are wanting to see the Inoue vs. Casimero. But seems that Donaire will finally settle what's left here. Can Donaire beat Inoue before his retirement? This will be another interesting fight. April is already next month, so maybe, both camps are in the final arrangement regarding this deal. But when it comes to favorite, I believe, Inoue will still be favored here and Donaire will be the underdog. Regarding the gap of odds, may not be that wide.

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

Perhaps it will be just sign in April and the actual month might happen in the next coming months.

I don't think they have plans to do the fight the same month or even the same week with Casimero fight against Butler.

Nevertheless, I think this is a good fight, and for me it was a very close fight in the first one, Donaire really give Inoue the hardest fight of his career even broke his orbital bone. So a rematch is needed.

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:58:58 PM

Since Casimero fight was delayed last December, it was rescheduled next month. It's a clear conflict if they are planning to clash with Inoue in the 2Q of the year that's why Donaire takes place which is also a deserve a rematch since he currently holds a Belt.

If Inoue will win in that fight, he will hold 3 titles and the remaining one is the one that Casimero hold to unify all the championship belts at Bantamweight division. Only if Casimero wins again Paul Butler.

That would be an insane fight and a candidate for the fight of the year but of course, they need to win both fights together before they get a chance to negotiate about their possible fight this year. I assume that Inoue will gonna beat Donaire easily since he already learned from their past fight and already gathered more experiences than before. As for Casimero, winning this fight is crucial because he needs to regain back his health and power to continue to dominate his opponents throughout his career.

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

I don't think it will happen on the next month, Bob Arums seems hurried to make this fight will happen. This pandemic still not going well, Japan is really strict to keep their healthy and not affected. Maybe this fight will still happen in this year, but not too soon.

Though I want to see the rematch, but I'd interested to see Casimero vs Inoue first. Donaire is better than Casimero, so he should be in the last fight if Casimero lose from Inoue.

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Quote from: 24Kt on March 07, 2022, 06:50:03 PM

Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

Wow, now Donaire got Inoue first. A lot are wanting to see the Inoue vs. Casimero. But seems that Donaire will finally settle what's left here. Can Donaire beat Inoue before his retirement? This will be another interesting fight. April is already next month, so maybe, both camps are in the final arrangement regarding this deal. But when it comes to favorite, I believe, Inoue will still be favored here and Donaire will be the underdog. Regarding the gap of odds, may not be that wide.

Since Casimero fight was delayed last December, it was rescheduled next month. It's a clear conflict if they are planning to clash with Inoue in the 2Q of the year that's why Donaire takes place which is also a deserve a rematch since he currently holds a Belt.

If Inoue will win in that fight, he will hold 3 titles and the remaining one is the one that Casimero hold to unify all the championship belts at Bantamweight division. Only if Casimero wins again Paul Butler.

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Quote from: harizen on March 07, 2022, 06:46:36 PM

Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

Wow, now Donaire got Inoue first. A lot are wanting to see the Inoue vs. Casimero. But seems that Donaire will finally settle what's left here. Can Donaire beat Inoue before his retirement? This will be another interesting fight. April is already next month, so maybe, both camps are in the final arrangement regarding this deal. But when it comes to favorite, I believe, Inoue will still be favored here and Donaire will be the underdog. Regarding the gap of odds, may not be that wide.

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Just recently, Bob Arums claimed that a clash and rematch between Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue might take place next month. Although unusual to see that there still no clear updates now.

Donaire-Inoue rematch in April ‘really close,’ says Arum.

It's better for me to have this first before anything else. They need a rematch. Donaire is the first boxer to give Inoue a tough and bloodied fight even. They should settle it for the 2nd time.

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