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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 12, 2022, 07:03:16 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 12, 2022, 04:54:43 AM

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

I doubt if their team of Garcia would heed this order of the WBO because Isaac Cruz is a talented fighter and a very risky fight for Ryan Garcia where the reward is not the title itself, only a mandatory challenger to the champion. We all know that Golden Boy Promotions could make a championship fight for their ward directly without this so-called mandatory if the time comes, I mean if Garcia is ready for that.

I don't think that Cruz is a big risk to Garcia though, Cruz is not on Garcia's level so why they are afraid of him and Golden Boy not let Ryan fight him?

And the winner will have a crack against the winner of Haney vs Kambosos so this is a win-win situation or Garcia. So for me they should take the risk instead of someone given the opportunity.

Anyhow, at the end of the day, boxing is business, so maybe what GBP might be looking for Garcia is money fight and Isaac Cruz will not put a lot of money in the table for Garcia.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 12, 2022, 07:03:16 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 12, 2022, 04:54:43 AM

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

I doubt if their team of Garcia would heed this order of the WBO because Isaac Cruz is a talented fighter and a very risky fight for Ryan Garcia where the reward is not the title itself, only a mandatory challenger to the champion. We all know that Golden Boy Promotions could make a championship fight for their ward directly without this so-called mandatory if the time comes, I mean if Garcia is ready for that.

Aside from that, the Golden Boy Promotions and Garcia's camp is not ready for some defeats especially in these times where their cow are still refreshing and getting his way back in the industry. There's likely a chance that they will ignore this order as there will be some other fights in the future to could benefit them more while making Ryan Garcia's way on top. If they were heed this order, I doubt Garcia could really end the fight on his side because Pitbull is no doubt a risk in his career.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 12, 2022, 07:03:16 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 12, 2022, 04:54:43 AM

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

I doubt if their team of Garcia would heed this order of the WBO because Isaac Cruz is a talented fighter and a very risky fight for Ryan Garcia where the reward is not the title itself, only a mandatory challenger to the champion. We all know that Golden Boy Promotions could make a championship fight for their ward directly without this so-called mandatory if the time comes, I mean if Garcia is ready for that.

What will be the alibi now, they are the one who broadcast that they want Isaac Cruz or Kambosos and WBO just take the cue to make it official, the Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia will lose their face, there is no such thing as easy opponent going for the crown and greatness, many will lose their respect to Garcia, that includes me the boxing community wants a real top-level contender to test Ryan Garcia, not one coming out of nowhere with a good record, we don't need another Tagoe.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 12, 2022, 04:54:43 AM

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

I doubt if their team of Garcia would heed this order of the WBO because Isaac Cruz is a talented fighter and a very risky fight for Ryan Garcia where the reward is not the title itself, only a mandatory challenger to the champion. We all know that Golden Boy Promotions could make a championship fight for their ward directly without this so-called mandatory if the time comes, I mean if Garcia is ready for that.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 12, 2022, 04:54:43 AM

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Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

So Garcia is back on track for the 135 lbs belt, we've seen how tough Isaac Cruz, but I don't know if he has the tools to beat Garcia. Ryan will have the physical advantage in this fight and we might see him getting loose against Cruz and will test how his chin is. Tank injured his hands fighting Cruz, and he said that Isaac's head is very solid. So we will see if Garcia can break that chin of Cruz and score a knock out. The winner of this match is in line up for the winner of Haney vs Kambosos Jr.

Garcia wants Cruz I'm sure he'll have it the deal is almost a done deal, the Golden Boy promotion made their intention clear that they want Isaac Cruz, I don't know what they see on Isaac Cruz but it seems they are taken him lightly, and I'm sure Cruz will be happy to challenge Garcia, this will be Garcia's toughest fight in his career, it will test his mental toughness let's see if Garcia can handle the big pressure when they face - off.

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

It's a big shame if they turn down the offer they are the first ones who offer the idea of Ryan Garcia facing Isaac Cruz and WBO just take the bite and ordered a mandatory fight, it's going to be a done deal both Garcia and Cruz need this fight to establish their legacy and for them to have contention in the title, probably against the winner of the Kambosos - Haney fight, once the deal is done we're going to discuss this fight extensively.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 11, 2022, 09:26:36 AM

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This just comes out

Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

So Garcia is back on track for the 135 lbs belt, we've seen how tough Isaac Cruz, but I don't know if he has the tools to beat Garcia. Ryan will have the physical advantage in this fight and we might see him getting loose against Cruz and will test how his chin is. Tank injured his hands fighting Cruz, and he said that Isaac's head is very solid. So we will see if Garcia can break that chin of Cruz and score a knock out. The winner of this match is in line up for the winner of Haney vs Kambosos Jr.

Garcia wants Cruz I'm sure he'll have it the deal is almost a done deal, the Golden Boy promotion made their intention clear that they want Isaac Cruz, I don't know what they see on Isaac Cruz but it seems they are taken him lightly, and I'm sure Cruz will be happy to challenge Garcia, this will be Garcia's toughest fight in his career, it will test his mental toughness let's see if Garcia can handle the big pressure when they face - off.

It's indeed a great timing that WBO has ordered Isaac Cruz and Ryan Garcia to have some talks/agreement on the said title so that the fight will materialize soon. I'm also hoping that Ryan's camp won't turn down this fight as The Golden Boy Promotions and his camp are vocal that they want Isaac Cruz for their boy (Ryan Garcia). This will be a good fight and Garcia will indeed face a dangerous man who is so thirsty and hungry.

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There's an article I read yesterday that Canelo Alvarez shouldn't request or plan to go rematch with Dmitry Bivol.

One of the reasons is, that Bivol might put him again in another losing scenario.

What's your opinion here guys? What do you want to expect next for Canelo Alvarez?

a) A rematch against Dmitry Bivol
b) A trilogy with GGG (low chances for now because of Canelo's recent loss)

Both are projected to happen in September this year.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 11, 2022, 12:41:13 AM

In any case, it is Jermell Charlo versus Brian Castano. The odds on Charlo is only 1.51. However, it appears his victory is a certainty.

Jermell Charlo is on another level. He is dangerous.

I'm hoping that someday he will face Canelo Alvarez in the catchweight at the Light Middleweight division but seems impossible now as previously beaten by a heavy underdog Dmitry Bivol a week ago.

The upcoming Charlo vs Castano II will now erase the questions on their 1st fight that ended up in a split decision.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2022, 09:02:07 AM

Quote from: judeafante on May 11, 2022, 08:57:03 AM

This just comes out

Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

So Garcia is back on track for the 135 lbs belt, we've seen how tough Isaac Cruz, but I don't know if he has the tools to beat Garcia. Ryan will have the physical advantage in this fight and we might see him getting loose against Cruz and will test how his chin is. Tank injured his hands fighting Cruz, and he said that Isaac's head is very solid. So we will see if Garcia can break that chin of Cruz and score a knock out. The winner of this match is in line up for the winner of Haney vs Kambosos Jr.

Garcia's camp needed to change their goal because they prepping Ryan Garcia to fight Kambosos Jr. soon so they expected that Garcia will have an impressive win towards Emmanuel Tagoe but that fight wasn't that much impressive like what they have expected as the bout resulted to a unanimous decision.

Now, that he is set to fight to a much tougher oppoent than Tagoe, he should improve more because this will be one of those fights that he needed to win so that his future in the industry will be much brighter.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2022, 09:02:07 AM

Quote from: judeafante on May 11, 2022, 08:57:03 AM

This just comes out

Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

So Garcia is back on track for the 135 lbs belt, we've seen how tough Isaac Cruz, but I don't know if he has the tools to beat Garcia. Ryan will have the physical advantage in this fight and we might see him getting loose against Cruz and will test how his chin is. Tank injured his hands fighting Cruz, and he said that Isaac's head is very solid. So we will see if Garcia can break that chin of Cruz and score a knock out. The winner of this match is in line up for the winner of Haney vs Kambosos Jr.

Garcia wants Cruz I'm sure he'll have it the deal is almost a done deal, the Golden Boy promotion made their intention clear that they want Isaac Cruz, I don't know what they see on Isaac Cruz but it seems they are taken him lightly, and I'm sure Cruz will be happy to challenge Garcia, this will be Garcia's toughest fight in his career, it will test his mental toughness let's see if Garcia can handle the big pressure when they face - off.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 11, 2022, 08:57:03 AM

This just comes out

Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

So Garcia is back on track for the 135 lbs belt, we've seen how tough Isaac Cruz, but I don't know if he has the tools to beat Garcia. Ryan will have the physical advantage in this fight and we might see him getting loose against Cruz and will test how his chin is. Tank injured his hands fighting Cruz, and he said that Isaac's head is very solid. So we will see if Garcia can break that chin of Cruz and score a knock out. The winner of this match is in line up for the winner of Haney vs Kambosos Jr.

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This just comes out

Ryan Garcia vs. Isaac ‘Pitbull’ Cruz ordered by WBC for 135-lb title eliminator

This is something to watch out for we all know how dangerous Isaac Cruz and this is a big challenge for Ryan Garcia's comeback
I hope they can make a deal and make the fight push through, Ryan Garcia announced that he wants Isaac Cruz, now it's close to happening.

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@TravelMug. Agreed. Donaire is a person who repesents good manners and excellent style. His boxing style is also very graceful and more pleasing to the eyes. More pleasing than Pacman's style in my opinion. This Casimero boxer is distasteful. Is he copying Conor McGregor or Nate Diaz? It does not look good for him. Filipinos and also the Japanese boxers are usually very humble and natural in their actions. It appears his actions are his manager's idea.

In any case, it is Jermell Charlo versus Brian Castano. The odds on Charlo is only 1.51. However, it appears his victory is a certainty.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 08, 2022, 06:56:56 PM

Quote from: stadus on May 08, 2022, 11:36:17 AM

We don't know that for sure and that's another speculation that Donaire has some plans to lure him and eventually take him out of the picture, honestly I can't really think that Donaire would do such thing to his co-Filipino boxer.

It's really unfortunate to Casimero because he did faced many complications towards this supposed fight against Butler but for the 2nd time he still didn't make it and worse he has been stripped of his belt.

It's never on Donaire's reputation to harm his fellow fighter's reputation or boxing career in fact he back out in a planned fight with Casimero because things are getting nasty and personal, this is not how he fights he wants to be in a professional level, he is a role model for Filipino boxer and he wants a continuation of Filipino legacy in the world of boxing.

I guess it's competition, maybe it was not Donaire's plan, but sooner or later, they will have to face each other. Remember that they were supposed to fight, but Donaire back out. So the best thing for Inoue, is try to get back on his feet, be positive and get a good trainer. He fired his long time trainer and his conditioning coach prior to the supposedly Butler fight and this happened to him. So it's easy to fix, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 09, 2022, 04:20:30 PM

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I know that Casimero is not the first one to do it but the fact that he's caught in the act is really a heavy evidence just because there's a dumb person in his camp. The damage has been done and they should just take that as a lesson rather than making some speculations that doesn't really make sense.

Yes. There might be other boxers too that undergo that trick but just play safe and never noticed.

Actually, it's not just they were caught in the sauna but it's really alarming that they noticed Casimero's 10 lbs weight loss in just a matter of a few days. Maybe that triggers the investigation and since his camp has a video of it, it made it easy for the BBBofC to suspend him right away as there's proof.

With another delay, Casimero is now hitting the veteran age period and might become inactive for 1 year if no fight involving him will happen until August this year. The worst is, with no negotiated fights, no reason at all to retain his WBO title.

That is expected to happen as Casimero has ruined his own reputation, then he has to face a lot of consequences, even losing his WBO title which i think is very possible. There will be no promoters who will stand on him, and that losing all the opportunities that has already been set for him. Casimero must be very hopeless this time, as not only he'll lose his title, but he will also lose his means of living.

It's very unlikely that Casimero and his team haven't know the consequences if they get caught red-handed, now that they have been caught they need to face it no matter how heavy it is. I'm quite sure that they are aware of their actions and it's never been an option to partake such things if they actually know that certain act is prohibited. It's just it is unfortunate because he can really make his name more known in the industry but now, his future is already unpredictable.

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Quote from: harizen on April 30, 2022, 07:14:19 PM

Quote from: mirakal on April 30, 2022, 01:35:29 PM

I know that Casimero is not the first one to do it but the fact that he's caught in the act is really a heavy evidence just because there's a dumb person in his camp. The damage has been done and they should just take that as a lesson rather than making some speculations that doesn't really make sense.

Yes. There might be other boxers too that undergo that trick but just play safe and never noticed.

Actually, it's not just they were caught in the sauna but it's really alarming that they noticed Casimero's 10 lbs weight loss in just a matter of a few days. Maybe that triggers the investigation and since his camp has a video of it, it made it easy for the BBBofC to suspend him right away as there's proof.

With another delay, Casimero is now hitting the veteran age period and might become inactive for 1 year if no fight involving him will happen until August this year. The worst is, with no negotiated fights, no reason at all to retain his WBO title.

That is expected to happen as Casimero has ruined his own reputation, then he has to face a lot of consequences, even losing his WBO title which i think is very possible. There will be no promoters who will stand on him, and that losing all the opportunities that has already been set for him. Casimero must be very hopeless this time, as not only he'll lose his title, but he will also lose his means of living.

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Quote from: stadus on May 08, 2022, 11:36:17 AM

We don't know that for sure and that's another speculation that Donaire has some plans to lure him and eventually take him out of the picture, honestly I can't really think that Donaire would do such thing to his co-Filipino boxer.

It's really unfortunate to Casimero because he did faced many complications towards this supposed fight against Butler but for the 2nd time he still didn't make it and worse he has been stripped of his belt.

It's never on Donaire's reputation to harm his fellow fighter's reputation or boxing career in fact he back out in a planned fight with Casimero because things are getting nasty and personal, this is not how he fights he wants to be in a professional level, he is a role model for Filipino boxer and he wants a continuation of Filipino legacy in the world of boxing.

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Quote from: agustina2 on May 07, 2022, 10:56:50 PM

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What such setup and lack of knowledge from his team.

That was really a dumb thing they did to even put their sauna session on a live feed.

There's been an alarming weight loss reduction in Casimero since he arrived in England. That all started the craze.

But I wonder, if that's really a setup, what reason/s are they planning to put the blame on Casimero? Maybe these people behind the setup are glad that things got becomes easy because Casimero's camp themselves created the violation.

One thing for sure.

They're going to do research to know those rules wherever they are and they won't do the same mistake. Casimero should focus on his own body preparation.

While the team should work for things like this but they failed.

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Quote from: stadus on May 08, 2022, 11:36:17 AM

We don't know that for sure and that's another speculation that Donaire has some plans to lure him and eventually take him out of the picture, honestly I can't really think that Donaire would do such thing to his co-Filipino boxer.

It's really unfortunate to Casimero because he did faced many complications towards this supposed fight against Butler but for the 2nd time he still didn't make it and worse he has been stripped of his belt.

Only speculation but no basis at all, in my opinion.
Because Donaire has no control if Casimero will not make it because of his weight problems.
So whether he is from Probellum or not, it is on Casimero's camp to ensure that he is on the right track to fight.
The promoter itself will not dictate the future of the boxer, but the boxer himself, his actual performance inside the ring.
Donaire may probably have good intentions with this initiative, but now, it seems he is receiving negative criticism because of this act.

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I don't see any bad intention on Donaire's part he just tried to help a fellow Filipino, if you looked at Donaire's record he has soft spot for fighters coming out of his native land so they can continue the Filipino legacy, all blame should be on Casimero for not taking extra precautions in following the rules and making weight at the right time.
He has no recourse now but to move up he is staying in that category too long it's time for him to conquer new territory and it should be in a weight class where he is more comfortable reaching for the weigh-in.

That's the real culture I guess for these professional boxers especially if they have the same race. They're into helping each other and now, there's this news that has came out a few days ago and would likely be published everywhere from now on to different sports articles and it goes like this: Paul Butler Hopes To Secure Inoue vs. Donaire Winner

He is stepping to another level he may be an underdog and won against Sultan but these two fighters are elite fighters that he can be handed the belt to any of the two, I'm not belittling Butler but he won because Sultan is having a problem with his weight too, he is overextending his luck I could have believed him if he beat Casimero a real challenger against the two.

Well, we're going to see then if he's come to that point that any of these two is about to battle him. But I'm sure that it won't be that easy, as he says, he became a champion that quick and as well as easy.
And if it has come to reality, he's making fame and noise for his name as it is what it should be. That's the easiest way because attaching your name with any of the two sounds perfect and effective.

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