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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 01, 2022, 09:05:12 AM

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

The trilogy between Canelo and GGG will still happen even if the latter will lose his fight against Murata. The reward money is reportedly something that Canelo won't resist. It's an easy big-money for Canelo knowing GGG will be considered as weak if he loses against Murata. The problem is if GGG can't beat Murata, what face he will show to Canelo. GGG instead might back out, not Canelo.

But our topic won't be reached into GGG losing the match. Fair and square, I can't see something special to Murata that he can use against a much more powerful GGG. Knock Out or Decision, GGG will win their match and I will give a 90% for that to happen.

1st: Yes, their fight will still happen even if GGG will be defeated on his fight versus Murata, if ever. But surely their trilogy attract many viewers as that won't be interesting anymore because we can already predict the exact outcome even if the fight is under negotiation.

2nd: Please provide some link that somehow show or tells that the reward money is something Canelo won't resist as it was an easy big money because I'm searching it through internet and I can't find it. Anyway, Canelo cannot really resist this time but it's not because of the money but because he signed a two-way deal that's saying that in-order to fight Bivol, he too should go for GGG after Bivol. So, a trilogy is really inevitable.

In order to make the fight attractive, they have to win both of their fights and they have to win it in a decisive fashion to attract the boxing community for their trilogy, a loss with anyone of them, casts a shadow on their capability to give the boxing fights a fight better than the two previous fights, legacy and huge money are at stake if both fighters come out fresh from
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Quote from: agustina2 on April 02, 2022, 12:30:32 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 01, 2022, 09:05:12 AM

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

The trilogy between Canelo and GGG will still happen even if the latter will lose his fight against Murata. The reward money is reportedly something that Canelo won't resist. It's an easy big-money for Canelo knowing GGG will be considered as weak if he loses against Murata. The problem is if GGG can't beat Murata, what face he will show to Canelo. GGG instead might back out, not Canelo.

But our topic won't be reached into GGG losing the match. Fair and square, I can't see something special to Murata that he can use against a much more powerful GGG. Knock Out or Decision, GGG will win their match and I will give a 90% for that to happen.

1st: Yes, their fight will still happen even if GGG will be defeated on his fight versus Murata, if ever. But surely their trilogy attract many viewers as that won't be interesting anymore because we can already predict the exact outcome even if the fight is under negotiation.

2nd: Please provide some link that somehow show or tells that the reward money is something Canelo won't resist as it was an easy big money because I'm searching it through internet and I can't find it. Anyway, Canelo cannot really resist this time but it's not because of the money but because he signed a two-way deal that's saying that in-order to fight Bivol, he too should go for GGG after Bivol. So, a trilogy is really inevitable.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 01, 2022, 09:05:12 AM

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

The trilogy between Canelo and GGG will still happen even if the latter will lose his fight against Murata. The reward money is reportedly something that Canelo won't resist. It's an easy big-money for Canelo knowing GGG will be considered as weak if he loses against Murata. The problem is if GGG can't beat Murata, what face he will show to Canelo. GGG instead might back out, not Canelo.

But our topic won't be reached into GGG losing the match. Fair and square, I can't see something special to Murata that he can use against a much more powerful GGG. Knock Out or Decision, GGG will win their match and I will give a 90% for that to happen.

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Golovkin is fully aware of that, between the two Canelo is the one fighting the best fighters in his division and conquering territories, while Golovkin is either on a long layoff or fighting low-level fighters, he really needs to show something to get the attention of the boxing community, the promoters and the organizations, so there's so much weight on this, on the other hand, if Canelo win or lose the fight can still fight Golovkin and it will still generate a lot of interest.

I bet Golovkin should be aware of that because its maybe hard to say but his boxing fans are looking forward for him to win against Murata via KO. Maybe this man GGG might be in a lot of pressure right if he just knew how his boxing fans speculating about his upcoming fight and also the expectations about the end result of the game but then he must know it on the other hand because he should know that he must take this fight seriously so his fans would be satisfies to see a trilogy between him and Canelo.

I think GGG is already aware because aside from his own fans, there are other people who's also watching on his moves now if he could really defeat the Murata who is 4 years younger than him. There are many people who hopes that GGG could win this fight and see that he is still a beast in the ring, there's also other people speculating that GGG will be defeated in this fight. Nevertheless, he knew that he's on constant pressure now because of the trilogy.

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Quote from: judeafante on April 02, 2022, 03:57:54 AM

Golovkin is fully aware of that, between the two Canelo is the one fighting the best fighters in his division and conquering territories, while Golovkin is either on a long layoff or fighting low-level fighters, he really needs to show something to get the attention of the boxing community, the promoters and the organizations, so there's so much weight on this, on the other hand, if Canelo win or lose the fight can still fight Golovkin and it will still generate a lot of interest.

I bet Golovkin should be aware of that because its maybe hard to say but his boxing fans are looking forward for him to win against Murata via KO. Maybe this man GGG might be in a lot of pressure right if he just knew how his boxing fans speculating about his upcoming fight and also the expectations about the end result of the game but then he must know it on the other hand because he should know that he must take this fight seriously so his fans would be satisfies to see a trilogy between him and Canelo.

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^^ I disagree though, well it depends on how you look at it, GGG just stays in his comfort zone at 160 lbs and clean up the division. But Canelo chooses to go up in weight and chase other belts. So it just a matter on how you look at their careers, GGG could be one of the best in the middleweight, maybe comparable to Marvin Hagler which for me is the GOAT on that division.

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The promoters might give GGG his trilogy against Canelo only if he gets the victory versus Murata dominantly and convincingly.

If that's the case then I would already expect a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy as there's no way GGG would lose to Murata. Sorry Murata Fans, I just don't see your fighter powerful enough to beat GGG, he maybe older but the power is still there and I'm afraid that we might see a KO win by GGG.

That's what everyone is expecting, GGG winning against the Japanese by a KO or at least a good decision win, by dominant fashion.

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

Golovkin is fully aware of that, between the two Canelo is the one fighting the best fighters in his division and conquering territories, while Golovkin is either on a long layoff or fighting low-level fighters, he really needs to show something to get the attention of the boxing community, the promoters and the organizations, so there's so much weight on this, on the other hand, if Canelo win or lose the fight can still fight Golovkin and it will still generate a lot of interest.

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BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson

It's been said that there's no Paul vs Tyson that shall happen. It's final and all of the discussions that are found are just for the speculations despite the validation of Tyson's staff that this really won't come to reality.

Butler and Casimero's fight is about to come as well and I think that shall be the replacement of the said thread quoted. It's near to happen and just a few weeks around.

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^^ I don't think there will be no pressure on GGG, he just needs to be himself and just be the aggressor and fight as usual and for sure the KO will happen, if not then a UD is not that bad. The fight could have been made even if GGG loses, but maybe the organizers knows that GGG will not lost or the chances are very slim so that they already committed to it.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 01, 2022, 09:05:12 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 01, 2022, 08:58:30 AM

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The promoters might give GGG his trilogy against Canelo only if he gets the victory versus Murata dominantly and convincingly.

If that's the case then I would already expect a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy as there's no way GGG would lose to Murata. Sorry Murata Fans, I just don't see your fighter powerful enough to beat GGG, he maybe older but the power is still there and I'm afraid that we might see a KO win by GGG.

That's what everyone is expecting, GGG winning against the Japanese by a KO or at least a good decision win, by dominant fashion.

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

Aside that it is what everyone is expecting, GGG also really needed to win via KO or a UD with great gap in scores against Ryota Murata so that a trilogy would be compelling to see and Canelo would be threatened or at least make it as a challenge rather than just winning by a UD with a small gap of scores.

We know that's a burden to hold in GGG's part but he really needed to win this fight so that his calling for a trilogy in the past few years would not be in vain, especially now that the trilogy is now in his hands and the last thing he needed is to take a huge move forward.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 01, 2022, 08:58:30 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on March 31, 2022, 01:43:42 AM

The promoters might give GGG his trilogy against Canelo only if he gets the victory versus Murata dominantly and convincingly.

If that's the case then I would already expect a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy as there's no way GGG would lose to Murata. Sorry Murata Fans, I just don't see your fighter powerful enough to beat GGG, he maybe older but the power is still there and I'm afraid that we might see a KO win by GGG.

That's what everyone is expecting, GGG winning against the Japanese by a KO or at least a good decision win, by dominant fashion.

So the trilogy is in the hands of GGG, I agree that he will have to win convincingly in order to secure a third fight, otherwise if he losses, Canelo might not be interested because it could be just a one sided win for him and maybe his critics will say that he just beat a old GGG in the third fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on March 31, 2022, 01:43:42 AM

The promoters might give GGG his trilogy against Canelo only if he gets the victory versus Murata dominantly and convincingly.

If that's the case then I would already expect a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy as there's no way GGG would lose to Murata. Sorry Murata Fans, I just don't see your fighter powerful enough to beat GGG, he maybe older but the power is still there and I'm afraid that we might see a KO win by GGG.

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You mean prime Canelo? Yes, you have a point. Well, if that happens then it's quite clear that GGG doesn't stand a chance to defeat the current Canelo as he don't got what it takes anymore. So a trilogy will be nonsense to even bother make it happen.

Canelo is just 31 years old so we can take that factor that he's on prime. It's an advantage over a 40-year-old GGG. If Murata will defeat GGG, non-sense to fight now with Canelo if he can't handle the types of Murata, how can he defeat Canelo which is currently powerful at this stage?

GGG will be tested by Murata. It can also be considered as his training before facing the stronger Canelo.

We all like to see the trilogy. GGG has to pass Murata if he really likes the third fight with Canelo.

Agreed. It is also head shaking that boxing fans want to witness a trilogy for Canelo and GGG. This Canelo of today would knockout the GGG of today in 7 rounds that everyone might say that it was unfair for the promoters to give GGG to Canelo hehehe. Compare the improvements of each boxer and decide. I reckon it is Canelo who has been challenging himself for his legacy.

He has accomplished a lot already and could surpassed Julio Cezar Chaver Sr as the greatest Mexican boxers of all time. He already set the bar high, with his 5 belt and the first Mexican to do so. And then he has a tons of followers as well. For his legacy, this will be the ultimate, to close the book on GGG and win in this trilogy.

However, would the trilogy be good for Canelo? What would this offer him? I reckon if GGG wins one of the other championships in light heavyweight division, this might tempt Canelo to fight him again. If GGG has nothing to offer except the past, Canelo will not fight anyone after Bivol except the other champions in light heavyweight division to secure his legacy. He is 31 years old, he will not waste his time on GGG.

If GGG wins against the Japanese boxer then Canelo would be more obliged to fight him as it was included in the deal that he signed in the previous month. If that's what Canelo is thinking that fighting GGG again is nonsense as the latter have nothing to offer, then maybe he should have given GGG the chance of a trilogy few years ago when GGG is still younger and still a threat in his career.

It's not that Canelo have a chance on hanging GGG on a thread again because as I said he already signed the deal. He better pray that GGG would be defeated against Murata so that a trilogy is not possible anymore.

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@Distinctin. The promoters might give GGG his trilogy against Canelo only if he gets the victory versus Murata dominantly and convincingly. I am quite certain Canelo will not agree with GGG on anything if GGG wins with a close decision against the Japanese fighter. I reckon it might be a close decision because GGG is old. He will be 40 years old on the day of the fight. Murata is also taller with a reach advantage of 2 inches and he is also younger. The fight will also be in Japan. I will not be shocked if the corrupt judges will give this a split decision for Murata.

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There is so much excitement between the rematch of GGG and Canelo because GGG was one of Canelo's very few opponents who made Canelo look like a normal boxer. GGG was himself a brilliant boxer who could have won his fight against Canelo had the match been judged by a different set of judges.

According to most boxing analysts, it's only GGG who made Canelo show his very best and push him to the limit. That's why there's a question on whether Canelo really won that 1 draw and 1 win. Looks like the only thing that can be settled properly is thru Knock Out win by either of them.

The 1st match is DRAW on which Canelo claimed he won that fight. It leads to a second meetup and Canelo wins in Decision. GGG never contest the result but others see he won that match.

This trilogy will now put an end to the debate whether who wins. It's a fight that needs to happen this year.

The only way we would stop this conversation is if they will have a trilogy and there will be a knockout. Because if it would still go to the judges scorecards and the fight is close, people would still not stop speculating.

Sooner, GGG will hang his gloves, so it's nice to give him one last fight that is really a big fight.
However, if he wins, his plans might change in the future.

What many of us do not want is for GGG to leave or say goodbye to the sport without having the fight with Canelo, it will be tasteless if he does, I think we are all clear on this, but the truth is that this moves thanks to a large amount of money, both Canelo and GGG want to fight other boxers to raise more money and produce more emotions, and perhaps they are achieving it, because in every thread I see about boxing what they most seek or talk about is this possible encounter between These two titans, I think they should stop looking for so much business model and agree to give that gift to all the fans.

Certainly mate, GGG deserved to have that trilogy and he's been calling for it for years. Good thing his callings was answered before he decides to hang up his gloves because we already know that GGG have just 2-3 years max left in his beloved industry even if we don't want to say our goodbyes to him. I hope he will get some big and good fight before that happens.

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You mean prime Canelo? Yes, you have a point. Well, if that happens then it's quite clear that GGG doesn't stand a chance to defeat the current Canelo as he don't got what it takes anymore. So a trilogy will be nonsense to even bother make it happen.

Canelo is just 31 years old so we can take that factor that he's on prime. It's an advantage over a 40-year-old GGG. If Murata will defeat GGG, non-sense to fight now with Canelo if he can't handle the types of Murata, how can he defeat Canelo which is currently powerful at this stage?

GGG will be tested by Murata. It can also be considered as his training before facing the stronger Canelo.

We all like to see the trilogy. GGG has to pass Murata if he really likes the third fight with Canelo.

Agreed. It is also head shaking that boxing fans want to witness a trilogy for Canelo and GGG. This Canelo of today would knockout the GGG of today in 7 rounds that everyone might say that it was unfair for the promoters to give GGG to Canelo hehehe. Compare the improvements of each boxer and decide. I reckon it is Canelo who has been challenging himself for his legacy.

He has accomplished a lot already and could surpassed Julio Cezar Chaver Sr as the greatest Mexican boxers of all time. He already set the bar high, with his 5 belt and the first Mexican to do so. And then he has a tons of followers as well. For his legacy, this will be the ultimate, to close the book on GGG and win in this trilogy.

However, would the trilogy be good for Canelo? What would this offer him? I reckon if GGG wins one of the other championships in light heavyweight division, this might tempt Canelo to fight him again. If GGG has nothing to offer except the past, Canelo will not fight anyone after Bivol except the other champions in light heavyweight division to secure his legacy. He is 31 years old, he will not waste his time on GGG.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 26, 2022, 07:48:47 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 26, 2022, 03:59:36 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on March 25, 2022, 08:59:57 PM

There is so much excitement between the rematch of GGG and Canelo because GGG was one of Canelo's very few opponents who made Canelo look like a normal boxer. GGG was himself a brilliant boxer who could have won his fight against Canelo had the match been judged by a different set of judges.

According to most boxing analysts, it's only GGG who made Canelo show his very best and push him to the limit. That's why there's a question on whether Canelo really won that 1 draw and 1 win. Looks like the only thing that can be settled properly is thru Knock Out win by either of them.

The 1st match is DRAW on which Canelo claimed he won that fight. It leads to a second meetup and Canelo wins in Decision. GGG never contest the result but others see he won that match.

This trilogy will now put an end to the debate whether who wins. It's a fight that needs to happen this year.

The only way we would stop this conversation is if they will have a trilogy and there will be a knockout. Because if it would still go to the judges scorecards and the fight is close, people would still not stop speculating.

Sooner, GGG will hang his gloves, so it's nice to give him one last fight that is really a big fight.
However, if he wins, his plans might change in the future.

What many of us do not want is for GGG to leave or say goodbye to the sport without having the fight with Canelo, it will be tasteless if he does, I think we are all clear on this, but the truth is that this moves thanks to a large amount of money, both Canelo and GGG want to fight other boxers to raise more money and produce more emotions, and perhaps they are achieving it, because in every thread I see about boxing what they most seek or talk about is this possible encounter between These two titans, I think they should stop looking for so much business model and agree to give that gift to all the fans.

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We can probably see about Inoue vs Casimero soon after the latter is finish to his fight next month against Butler, and the other possibility is a rematch between Inoue and Donaire since the Japanese boxer have said that he's going back this June. Either way, we'll see some news this coming few weeks or next month.

probably the rematch will not happen IMO since donaire sides seems very quiet after he lost the fight and mostly information around the internet are seems all speculation.
But when it comes CASIMERO for sure it will going to happen this year because he really wants to test the monster of japan but as the news says it will gonna happen after Aran Dipaen..

The rematch is more likely to happen than the Casimero vs Inoue fight, remember that Inoue has said that he's been looking forward to fight and return in the ring this June so we might get some news soon on who's the one that he will fight that month and the chances are it is Donaire.

Casimero will have a fight next month, so I doubt that Inoue is referring for him after all.

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The best boxer who fighting not only became a greatest boxer at the time of he retired.He will also used as the new coach to their country.Only the sports person had this capability to do work after his/her retirement.Not even a big shots do this.After earning billions,the businessman take rest.So I love all the sportsman and so it’s called as sportsman spirit.

Not sure if the following would be opt here but would like to share it. Yah I too have seen the top players (irrespective of any sports) as a coach or a mentor when they turn old. Even the governments give chances to be on the respective sports main board to discuss, support and etc. Their inputs are valued. At times they even start up their own sports foundations where young players are trained and grown up. Players make players. Their sacrifice and dedication must be awarded constantly.

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The best boxer who fighting not only became a greatest boxer at the time of he retired.He will also used as the new coach to their country.Only the sports person had this capability to do work after his/her retirement.Not even a big shots do this.After earning billions,the businessman take rest.So I love all the sportsman and so it’s called as sportsman spirit.

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