Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 29. (Read 32561 times)

I think Jaime is too underrated by the oddsmakers here. He is undefeated, former champion, young and heavy handed. Canelo though has the edge when it comes to skills and experience but Mungia will have the physical advantage being the younger fighter.

The difference with Haney is the punching power. If Haney has the power he could've put Garcia down with those body punches. Garcia's defense is still average but Haney does not have the power. Which is why I still cannot see Ryan capable of winning against the likes of Teofimo Lopez and Subriel Matias. Unless of course if Garcia hurt them right from the start as it will change the tempo of the fight.

I don't think that any oddmakers are going over or under when they list their odds in the market. This punters really know what they are doing and so I don't think they have misplaced it. Munguia is the obvious underdog and Canelo being the cash cow and the A-side will be the favorite here just like in the Bivol fight. But it's not always 100% that the favorite is going to win, obviously as we have been played by Ryan Garcia as he is also a 7:1 underdog at some point and then won in a dominating fashion against the favorite Haney.

So who knows, it could be worth to put some $$$ on Munguia here and we could have witnessed 2-0 underdog win for GBP. This fight is just a couple of weeks and maybe we could see some swings in the odds, at least some movement to close that huge gap and whales shelling out money on Munguia.

Seems fair in my opinion, Usually Canelo is really a huge favorite in his fight. But when Ryan won the fight, it makes us think that we should look at the underdog very closely like Jaime Munguia here against Canelo.

Volume will be the key for Munguia and with his youth, I'm expecting him not to get tired and he should really work with that stamina because he will need a lot of it in this fight. The blueprint has been there already, Bivol shows how to beat Canelo, so let's see if Munguia have learn from it and another big upset in boxing for this year is going to happen.

Wrong, they are not on the same stable, Canelo has left Golden Boy Promotions years ago, and that's why Oscar is very salty of Canelo for leaving him. And as being promoted, Oscar wanted to get back at Canelo, and he wants his new prodigy, Jaime Munguia to beat Canelo here.


Yes, because Canelo and Munguia shows mutual respect. That's why it was Oscar who are promoting this fight to have that kind of storyboard for him. Munguia. Oscar even said that he will beat Canelo in his prime. And just like I said, he is reigniting their so called feud to make the fans more interested to see this fight.

I know, I remember your post about him and his mental state. But like the majority of us who thinks that he will not survived this fight, everyone was fooled and we lost our money betting against King Ry. On the other hand, there are reports that he bet on himself to win as he was a like a 7:1 underdog and obviously wins millions to cover what he had lost in the bet and paying the Haney's $1.5 million. I don't think that it will be the end of his career if he lost, but surely his popularity will take a hit and maybe not sell that much tickets next. But it's just the start for Ryan as Oscar is talking about the future from 147 lbs to 154 lbs fight and Ryan being the new face of boxing.

I still can’t believe that Ryan Garcia fooled everyone and got the win last weekend. I’m happy for him but I honestly didn’t think he had a chance with where his mind was at. He cost me a pretty big parlay victory as the final leg I needed, but I’m honestly glad for him. Had he lost that fight it very well could have been the end of his career.

Munguia and Canelo are both in the same stable and that's why some people think there is bad blood which there could be truth to it.
Looking at the odds, seems very favorable to Canelo and I thought Munguia is a decent pick that could have a 1.17 - 2.0 since Munguia is young and a title holder for more than 5 years. But because Canelo is still 33, you could say he is still in a prime age.

Somehow it feels like there is not much hype for the Munguia vs Canelo fight compared to Ryan vs Haney which is still overly hyped even after the fight.

We can not say that Devin Haney is just hype and that he is really weaker, Devin Haney is definitely in another league it is just that Ryan Garcia attains a similar status and if I could bet on that fight I may have bet for Devin Haney because Ryan Garcia had lost against Gervonta Davis and even though Gervonta Davis and Devin Haney doesn't fight yet I got a huge confident on Haney winning this fight but it has all crumbled When Ryan Garcia did the unthinkable he is the underdog but he has proven that he can defeat Devin Haney.


For having a referee like that for sure they wanted to rob Ryan Garcia of this win and let Devin Haney win, for sure Gervonta Davis felt and noticed the speed of Ryan Garcia because he had already fought him and Gervonta Davis now had a taste of the real Ryan Garcia and all he can do is just warn Haney that is why Tank wanted a dehydration weight draining thing for Garcia to slowed him down, for sure there is no other way to slow down the kid.


For me this is just my opinion, after that great win against Devin Haney I want to see a rematch against Gervonta "Tank" Davis, and this time without that Rehydration clause that he is giving against Ryan Garcia, but now that he won against Haney Ryan Garcia still doesn't get the belt that is because Ryan Garcia missed the weight for the fight and coming in 3.2 pounds over the 140-pound limit. Rather than the bout being canceled, Garcia instead opted to pay Haney compensation to ensure that it went ahead.

@5.10... He was underestimated for sure? This looks like a similar odds on Haney vs Garcia fight but as we all know, there was a big upset happen in that fight as Garcia came to dominate Haney. Not sure if it could happen here but we all know that anything is possible in boxing. I hope I can see a knockout, it's always entertaining to see one, and since Jaime Munguia is still undefeated and has a decent KO rate, it should not be impossible for him to knockout Canelo.

I don't want to think that there is blood bath between Canelo and Oscar. I think both has move on and Oscar is still making a lot of money from his other boxers. Maybe it's just the media that wanted to put a spin on all of this to hype the fight.

Definitely, if Munguia wins then Oscar will be in heaven as two of his boxers won as biggest underdogs and Munguia becoming the next Mexican superstars. While Garcia can move up to 147 lbs and then chase bigger names and again, make a lot of money for this year alone.

For the odds, I see that the odds maker make it right and didn't underestimate Jaime.

Well, in the boxing industry, it's not new for us that the referees are also involved in helping the boxer they want to win and it happens a lot, from slow counting, to not calling a foul and deducting points for whoever boxer they are helping with and this time, it's clearly that they also helping Haney to win against Garcia but they failed to do so because Garcia Stunned him throughout the rounds and he can't do anything about it despite the ref has helped him in anyway shape or form that are not obvious to the other newbies. That's why, underdogs are always working harder to knock out their opponents especially when they fight on their opponent's territory. Have you guys seen the worst ref ever? it happened in Nigeria, I forgot the title though you can search for it.

No it's not a misplaced on the part of sport bookies, Munguia is young and has the power, but Canelo has the experience and the quality of the opponents that Canelo has face before. Imagine a GGG vs Munguia, who do you think will win in that fight. The Canelo vs Bivol is different though, Canelo is going up in weight at 175 and we can see that somewhat, the extra poundage in his body makes him slow and that is not his weight class. As here, he is the undisputed in this SMW and no one has beaten him here. And so that is a big task for the young Jaime Munguia. But who knows, if Ryan can do it, then there is a chance for Munguia as well. And if that happens, then it will be 2-0 for Golden Boy in high profile fights. And for sure, Oscar will be happy to get his revenge from Canelo himself.

The odds seem very fair. Similar to Garcia vs. Haney, there is a significant disparity in skill level. Munguia is a big puncher so we can’t completely count him out. Unlike Haney, Canelo has knockout power and can also take a punch. Munguia won’t be able to just impose his will by charging directly at Canelo. This will be a fight where Canelo’s higher IQ should make the difference.

He didn't train well and relied on his defense but it wasn't enough since Ryan was the one who train to improve his skills and learn new moves to counter his defense which was exactly what happened in their fight. He slack off thinking that he can just easily beat him like his first opponent and no matter how the ref was helping him, it didn't matter because Ryan can take his powerpunches and manages to counter even many stronger which takes him down everytime it hims him multiple times.

What do you guys think about the Canelo Vs Munguia fight, which is not far away, on 4th May.
Bookies seem to be thinking it's going to be smooth sailing for Canelo. I'm not that big of a boxing fan and haven't been following Munguia's career that closely, but his record and KO rate (of almost 80%) look quite impressive.

Odds are very similar to Canelo Vs Bivol, when the Mexican was a big favorite but got outclassed by the Russian.


Are these fair or misplaced? Worth putting a few $ on Munguia?

I would love to see referees warning and deducting points on fighters that hug a lot. It would do better for the sport and it make fights less boring. Oscar, BHop and the rest of GBP are raining praises on Garcia. But it will  be exciting to know on what's next for Ryan. I think this fight is his last in his GBP contract and we'll see if he renews his contract knowing that he made beefs with Oscar and BHop.

Ryan becomes more popular but he is still not the face of boxing as long as Canelo is getting consistent numbers. And Ryan also said that his plan is to fight at welterweight so no more 140 then?

Lol, but yes, the referee has been heavily criticized in the social media, specially when Haney was hugging Ryan and he should at least count 1 more knockout. And when Haney was hugging for dear life and Ryan separated himself and then throw a punch, the ref deducted a point. And then one judges saw it a draw, that's 3 knockdown, reminds of Manny Pacquiao vs Marquez wherein Manny should have won that fight in the strength of his 3 knockdown. Nevertheless, the other two judges give to Ryan, which for us should be right score in this fight. So as per Oscar, Ryan now is the face of boxing, even though he doesn't have a belt on his waist. But the kind knows how to promote a fight and putting fans in their seat. Will be interesting to see the live gate numbers as there are reports that the tickets is not sold out.

Obviously sure they wanna rob the kid. The judge scored a Draw for that fight despite the countless knockouts, its ridiculous but you would understand that they worked together to nail Ryan. If he doesn't participate the way like they should I guess the WBC will take back the money.

And Haney whipped out this bad, I don't think he can request an immediate rematch. But Tank warned Haney from the start that Ryan does have a fast hand, he didn't listen.

Haney-Garcia lived up to its hype. Full of drama and some questionable decisions. Most if not all were expecting Haney to easily dominate Ryan Garcia. What was more unexpected though was when Ryan Garcia landed a huge left hook that badly hurt Haney in the very first round. It changed the tempo of the whole fight. Haney was still winning the next rounds but he remained unstable and Ryan already found his range and is just waiting for his opportunity again.

It's just annoying how the referee was helping Haney a lot. He never deducted a point on Haney for the countless hugs. There were times he interrupted when Haney is hugging while Ryan's hands were free. But he let Haney punch when Ryan is the one clinching. One judge also tried to rob Ryan of a clear win. And corrupt WBC still retained Haney as its champion when it should've been declared vacant because he failed to defend it.

I really think that Oscar Valdez has more experience than Liam Wilson and that solid close-combat performance was really epic it was classic or vintage but at the same time was a masterclass performance from Oscar Valdez, and Liam Wilson doesn't have an answer in that barrage of punch that he was taking it was really something that Liam Wilson don't have any answer and he can not move anymore in round 7 it was really eminent that the referee would just need to stop the fight because he had seen enough one-sided beating from Oscar Valdez.


That was great memorabilia from the Legend Muhammad Ali and for sure if this was auctioned for that kind of amount it would be an even much bigger amount in the future this piece of boxing shirt was worn by the legendary boxer it is worth another fortune, I really think that even the legendary Manny Pacquiao's clothes and worn shorts that he used during his boxing career all of those could have a significant value it will be a privilege and an opportunity for someone to have a possession of something like this.

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And Breaking news Ryan Garcia won against Devin Haney it was an upset for the Champion that he was defeated by the Underdog Ryan Garcia it was really imminent that Ryan Garcia had the upper hand he had the speed and the feints were really effective against Devin Haney, even though the Referee was on Haney's side it was pretty much imminent that he was because he always breaks the two apart and always getting Garcia back in the ropes while letting Haney sets up the upperhand while Garcia was in the corner, and keeping up the time in shaking Haney's gloves if he is OK giving Devin Haney much time to rest.

Well this is just what have seen in watching the fight it is up to you as an audience what have you seen but despite all this Ryan Garcia still won the fight.