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I think Canelo is still the cash cow no matter how we look at it, either a DB fight or Bivol it will still make a lot of money. But it's just the question on why he would do Bivol at 168 lbs and then when rehydration clause? Doesn't make sense as he is the champion in that division unless he wanted to have that big advantage against Bivol. We might call it just to make it an even field for him.

But if he wanted to be really cemented his legacy, for me a rematch at 175 lbs will be the way for him. Not unless if he longer wanted more belt or if he thinks that he can't really beat Bivol at light heavyweight that's why he wanted the rematch as his best, 168 lbs wherein he is the undisputed.

Indeed both want something that could recognize them and will put them on top for sure Devin Haney wants a fighter that are at a level of success and he will not go fighting a fighter who could ruin his reputation and that is his undefeated status, while Regis Prograis wants a fighter on the top and this is for him to showcase his brilliant and technique in boxing and for sure Devin Haney is a qualified candidate that could surely showcase what he can truly do inside the ring, this fight is today at 09:00 PM ET on Tapology, for sure we can expect great action for this two warriors,


This event was also great and the only fight card that is a title fight and the victor will get the WBC World Flyweight Title this fight was in this event the event Morrell Jr. vs. Agbeko so let me make a breakdown of the event

Morrell Jr. vs. Agbeko

Saturday 12.16.2023 at 10:00 PM ET

Promotion: Warriors Boxing
Venue: The Armory
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota



MAIN EVENT
David Morrell VS Sena Agbeko

MAIN CARD
Chris Colbert VS Jose Valenzuela
Julio Cesar Martinez VS Angelino Cordova
Andre Berto VS Robert Guerrero

PRELIMINARY CARD
Kenneth Sims Jr. VS Alfredo Santiago
Alberto Puello VS Ector Madera

Information was from: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/107107-morrell-jr-vs-agbeko

The big paychecks for Canelo would be Bivol on light heavyweight or Benavidez. These others that you have mentioned will not cause much excitement from the fans, I reckon.

However, the biggest might be for Canelo to accept Bivol's challenge and fight him in super middleweight where Canelo will risk all of his championship belts!

I don't know with you guys if you have bet for Magsayo but i'm very busy that i didn't find the time to browse for the odds, hope you did bet for him as Magsayo is back guys with that brutal left hook knock win over Avelar. That's one scary knockout to see if you are a family member of Avelar. But one thing is for sure, Magsayo power is still with him in the 130-pound division.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgtB8I8k1M

They both playing the mind games I guess, Bivol wanted a rematch but Canelo chooses John Ryder and let Bivol look for a dance partner with less money on the line. So Canelo paly his part very good in this games, now after beating Charlo and moving out of the Matchroom contract, Bivol is left hanging. And then we heard that if there will be a rematch, it will be in terms of Canelo again which including Bivol going down to 168 lbs and with rehydration clause.

As far as Benavidez goes, yeah, me might not get his title shot against Canelo as Alvarez is now looking for the biggest paycheck that he can get before retiring. So Benavidez could chase Morell or even Bivol or Beterbiev.

Canelo is hanging on his position, he wouldn't want to lose the belt and fame instantly. It's normal today to see champs doing all these that's why there's less unification to see as they are all hanging on to their belts but I think it's not just him who decides this, the organization takes part since they are also going to take cuts of the money.

Fury vs Usyk unification is very bold. I guess Fury took the fun first of having a training against Ngannou for he knows fighting against Usyk could be his last fight. But at least he got loads of money.

Canelo is now a cherry picker he claims to be the king so he gets to decide who he will fight, except for Bivol all the fights he has after Bivol are cherry picked fights Charlo, Ryder and Golovkin Bivol and Benavidez is not in his list he wants to enjoy his reign while making a lot of money.
He wants the easy way to his legacy, I will not be surprised if he retires without fighting Bivol or Benavidez.

I'd like to believe that Canelo is fading because he picks his opponent and doesn't want to face fighters like Bivol, Benavidez is going to be a very big challenge for him but unlike Pacquiao, he is ducking fighters who can beat him.

That true because these two boxers definitely want big achievement in winning and showing that one of them deserves to be called true champion.
And of course Devin Haney will try as hard as possible to beat Regis Prograis so that the fight might reach the final round, only we will see Devin Haney holding the WBC Super Lightweight belt if the fight reaches the final round.
And the fight will take place tomorrow so we are just matter of no more than 24 hours away from seeing two fighters with various titles meet to fight for one belt.

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After this we will again watch the fight for the WBC Flyweight which will pit the champion Julio Cesar Martinez against the challenger Angelino Cordova in his seventh title defense.
On the main card of the WBC event this time it is truly fight that is more than just a title fight because Julio Cesar Martinez will actually defend the title that he has held and won so far.
This fight is scheduled for December 16.
source : https://twitter.com/WBCBoxing/status/1732897605154169334?t=_HX8XX5M7OraHU8zpkyZpw&s=19

I look at it as a money making fight  if ever Canelo  manage to regain his name, a trilogy might happen as promoters will push for it to gain  more money,  though  the post above might also take place as Canelo's camps always have alternative options,  but as a warrior might be better to take that last shot against bivol  to conclude everything between them.

For now, let's wait for the fight and see who's among the two will win the rematch.  The next discussion will take place after the fight.

I think it's only fair that there should be a trilogy for their fight. Bivol could have declined a rematch with Canelo after beating him, but he agreed to it. Therefore, if Canelo is a true warrior, he should give Bivol a chance to determine the better fighter between them. This can only be settled through another rematch.

Canelo surprised everyone because nobody thought he would pursue a Bivol rematch when he signed a 3-fight deal with PBC. People were expecting Canelo to face PBC fighters especially Jermall Charlo and David Benavidez. Now he's got only 2 fights left and so far there's no update on him taking Benavidez. Jermall Charlo refused the offer before but now that he made a tune-up maybe he should go back to a negotiation deal unless he no longer wants that big payday from Canelo.

So if Bivol gets Canelo's 2nd fight with PBC I wonder if Benavidez will ever get his shot at the real title. If Canelo somehow beats Bivol in the rematch, I expect him to take Crawford as his last fight of the contract and go back to Matchroom.

Yes, and it's probably his limit as well, 175 lbs is too big for him, at least his body might have a difficult time at that weight class. He might also be losing his power at that obviously it was shown in their first fight that it is a different territory for Canelo and that's why there are no immediate rematch.


For sure Canelo will deflect all criticism and says that he still took his revenge win against Bivol. And Bivol can go back to his 175 lbs and maybe fight the other Russian champion and then Canelo continuing his legacy at super middleweight. So for Bivol it could still be a win win situation for him.

It's really a bait from Canelo here, or you can call it a bluff, just like in poker. Canelo knows that he has the strong hands here, fighting at his division, and then with that rehydration clause to make sure the Bivol won't go at high as a cruiserweight because Canelo will have a problem with a bigger but faster opponent like Bivol.

On the other hand, Bivol is looking on his version of legacy, wanted to beat Canelo as his strongest weight take all that belt. So for me, Bivol will take this bait easy, without any concern whatsoever at 168 lbs and he believed he can make it.

Canelo will not win if it fight is on the 175 pound division, at least for and most of the users here that is why they are giving this bait to Bivol as the latter also has an ambition to be a unified champion either at 175 or 168 so probably he would take this fight.

If Bivol wins this at 168 then he got his dream but if Canelo dismantle Bivol at 168 with that rehydration clause, most of won't mind him winning the fight as this is not what a true warrior in the ring wants.

When was this rumor surfaces though? Because I remember Canelo interview before the John Ryder fight is that his goal is to fight Bivol or to rematch him at 175 lbs. So I guess that decision has change already if this latest rumor is true.

It's really up to Bivol to take the bait or not. I thought Bivol will have a fight this coming December.

Maybe this is just a get busy fight for him until he gets into Canelo or even Beterbiev. But if Canelo is chasing greatness then it should be at Light-HW because that is where they first fought. If it is 168 lbs then that is obviously Canelo's territory.

That's normal, when a person is basically doing things very well, but needs fame and needs money, obviously they have to take the bait, things can happen that way, we as fans know that it's something il+ ological that a boxer like Bivol wants or has to lower his category to get a little more money, it's something strange, but come on, it's Canelo, we know that we all Want to see a Canelo vs Benvidez, but things tend to be very different, something that we as boxing fans must learn is that in boxing is when you should have the most business model , because when you try to do things better you can verify that a boxer has to live off of money, his life, his diet, all that epresents money, his gym, his treatments, massages, everything that a boxer needs, well obviously he needs to have money, for this reason we have to be emphatic at all times, this is a spectacle.

I know that some of us stick to just hoping for the best in sport, and that they make fun of themselves because they are basically into rivalry, but this is something else, for a long time now the money that has been moving thanks to the boxing industry It is impressive, a lot has to be done , in fact Bivol has to move , one of the things that the Boxer wants is to have fame, but for what ? to have money , it is something normal, and that is why he uses his talent, his skills to be able to have a great life, that is partly why he is a boxer , he has Expressed it many times, and he always wants to have the best fights, because he knows that if he wins he will be valued much more, he will be much more famous, and that translates into having more money, is what he is really looking for, that is why he can do it, although to be honest, he should It will be Canelo Who rises and Moves to the Other category and not Bivol, but hey, we all know what Canelo is Like.

That is why this is going to be an interesting fight for Devin Haney I know that he is a very favorable fighter against Prograis for sure but because of Regis Prograis's power I think with just 1 punch maybe he can defeat Devin Haney if he is not technical of a fighter then he can not defeat Haney for sure, but if the new Regis Prograis is more technical than Haney then this is a match for him, for sure this fight is a fight of IQ,


Yup! That is not Haney alright, but damn that was one hell of a punch and for me why are sparring partners always in a position of danger to this kind of fighter that doesn't have control over their punches when it comes to their sparring partners 1st was Conor McGregor absolutely knockout his Sparring Partner and not only that sparring while wearing his shoes, and now Gervonta Davis throwing a solid punch to his partner is something that I am really against by it, but for sure on the heat of the moment maybe they can not control the situation,


For sure this is the real target of Devin Haney and Regis Prograis is something that he needed to defeat I was really excited when I watched both fighter's past fights and for sure it is really interesting as we could see the defense of Devin Haney for sure and how will Regis Prograis could penetrate it, and it, and who is the most faster fighter,

For the money? maybe Bivol and his camp will take this bait, however, you have to look at how the fans and boxing analyst will look at it,

a. Bivol is going down to a weight that he hasn't fought
b. Canelo is obviously negating what Bivol advantage has
c. Fans wanted Canelo to fight the young Mexican David Benavidez

For me, this is just money fight for Canelo. He should go with c, here, fight Benavidez, give him his due and then cemented his legacy by defeating him.

I think Bivol will take this fight, although if I'm not mistaken, he hasn't fought at 168 lbs in his career, as he is a solid and natural 175 lbs light heavyweight. But if he wanted more money and of course if the belt of Canelo is on the line then why not?

And there are also interviews ore news report before than he is willing to go down to 168 lbs in order for this fight to happen. Yes, that is rehydration clause and obviously it will have Bivol into a huge disadvantage to the point that we might say that will still be weight drain during fight night.

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?