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Quote from: Baofeng on February 26, 2024, 04:05:12 PM

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What started as a rumor is now being confirmed by ESPN. Canelo is leaving PBC. Canelo was insisting on fighting Jermall Charlo but PBC wanted a better quality opponent. It is likely Canelo will go back to DAZN, where he will be safe from Benavidez and fight softer opposition like Munguia and Berlanga.

And here's the news,

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1762137052517200225

And that's what we thought, he went to TV Azteca in Mexico and everyone is glued to their TV waiting for announcement as who is his next opponent. So no Mexican for him, hehehe, so Munguia and Benavidez is not in the sweepstakes. So it just leave Charlo for Canelo, good money, have some storyline, but we fans are not sold to it. And perhaps PBC is pressuring Canelo to fight Benavidez, but then again, huge risk and partly because I think Canelo doesn't want Benavidez to be the next Mexican superstar.

I do not understand, there is only Charlo as the only choice for Canelo? However, the message shared by Mike Coppinger clearly said there will not be a fight organized for Canelo vs. twin brother Charlo because there is low demand for this.

@Dave1. I reckon if David Benavidez chases Canelo to DAZN then Canelo might go back to Golden Boy and agree to fight this Munguia and kill the hype hehehe.

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^^ What is David Benavidez leaves PBC and join Eddie Hearn and DAZN just to chase Canelo? Similar to what GGG did just to get his fight with Canelo back then?

It's not about the money, Canelo was offered as per reports,

$45 Million for Charlo
$55 Million for Spence at 164 lbs
$65 Million for Benavidez

Maybe this is his and Eddie Hearn plans after all, feel sorry for Tom Brown and the PBC for falling for Canelo's trickery here.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 26, 2024, 04:11:01 PM

And it just shows that even the WBC or PBC can't forced Canelo on who to fight too. Could be the reason as well why him and Oscar separated years ago, but in the end, he can't escape Benavidez if that is what he wanted.

Berlanga will be the likely next boxer he will face, not Mexican, but Puerto Rican and so they can used the tagline again of Mexico vs Puerto Rico.

And Berlanga won his recent fight, https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/68396219

For sure though, Canelo will take a lot of heat and fans will disapproved this decision of Canelo to move out from PBC and then face soft opponents.

Before the problems with Oscar, Canelo also had legal problems with All Star Boxing who is a small promotion from Florida that promoted some of Canelo’s early fights. There was also that dispute with the WBC when they tried to make him fight Golovkin, who was his mandatory. He also had problems with Televisa, which led him to defect to TV Azteca. It is a pattern of entitlement and seeking special treatment which unfortunately the promoters, sanctioning orgs, and tv networks keep going along with.

I watched Berlanga’s fight over the weekend and was not impressed. McCrory was an awful opponent who couldn’t defend himself and had barely any technical ability in his offense. Somehow it got sanctioned as a title eliminator by the shady WBA at the last moment, which makes me think Eddie Hearn was aware of Canelo’s plans of leaving PBC and is trying to line up Berlanga for him.

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Canelo might be looking to retire in the next couple of years if he is just looking for a soft opponent like Berlanga check. The lost against Bivol might have put a lot of mental strained in him and we could say that he is no longer the same Canelo. He won against GGG, but it's it's no longer the same GGG that he fought the first time. And Canelo chooses John Ryder next, we all know what happen to that fight, it happened in Mexico but fans are disappointed. Then next is Jermell Charlo a career 154 lbs, who moved up 2 weight class. And he wanted to fight the Jermall, same, will have to move up from 160 - 168 lbs, doable, but PBC disapproves it. They wanted Canelo to fight David Benavidez but Canelo doesn't want to so he leaves PBC.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 26, 2024, 11:26:30 AM

What started as a rumor is now being confirmed by ESPN. Canelo is leaving PBC. Canelo was insisting on fighting Jermall Charlo but PBC wanted a better quality opponent. It is likely Canelo will go back to DAZN, where he will be safe from Benavidez and fight softer opposition like Munguia and Berlanga.

And it just shows that even the WBC or PBC can't forced Canelo on who to fight too. Could be the reason as well why him and Oscar separated years ago, but in the end, he can't escape Benavidez if that is what he wanted.

Berlanga will be the likely next boxer he will face, not Mexican, but Puerto Rican and so they can used the tagline again of Mexico vs Puerto Rico.

And Berlanga won his recent fight, https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/68396219

For sure though, Canelo will take a lot of heat and fans will disapproved this decision of Canelo to move out from PBC and then face soft opponents.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 26, 2024, 11:26:30 AM

What started as a rumor is now being confirmed by ESPN. Canelo is leaving PBC. Canelo was insisting on fighting Jermall Charlo but PBC wanted a better quality opponent. It is likely Canelo will go back to DAZN, where he will be safe from Benavidez and fight softer opposition like Munguia and Berlanga.

And here's the news,

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1762137052517200225

And that's what we thought, he went to TV Azteca in Mexico and everyone is glued to their TV waiting for announcement as who is his next opponent. So no Mexican for him, hehehe, so Munguia and Benavidez is not in the sweepstakes. So it just leave Charlo for Canelo, good money, have some storyline, but we fans are not sold to it. And perhaps PBC is pressuring Canelo to fight Benavidez, but then again, huge risk and partly because I think Canelo doesn't want Benavidez to be the next Mexican superstar.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 26, 2024, 11:26:30 AM

What started as a rumor is now being confirmed by ESPN. Canelo is leaving PBC. Canelo was insisting on fighting Jermall Charlo but PBC wanted a better quality opponent. It is likely Canelo will go back to DAZN, where he will be safe from Benavidez and fight softer opposition like Munguia and Berlanga.

Benavidez Sr as well said that they were offered to fight Canelo, but at a bare minimum of $5 million. And he says that maybe they are just testing them to see if they are going to request for more money. So they said "Yes", to it, but unfortunately, the camp of Canelo didn't return back so it's obviously it's a bait.

And as we have been speculating as well, it's clearly a duck from the camp of Canelo not to fight Benavidez, again and again as stories are coming out. Now, with DAZN, easy fight for Canelo against this two and then the money will be there, less risk better reward.

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What started as a rumor is now being confirmed by ESPN. Canelo is leaving PBC. Canelo was insisting on fighting Jermall Charlo but PBC wanted a better quality opponent. It is likely Canelo will go back to DAZN, where he will be safe from Benavidez and fight softer opposition like Munguia and Berlanga.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 24, 2024, 01:03:36 AM

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The WBC president uncle Mauricio has also appeared to change his mind on David Benavidez's next opponent.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said this Thursday through his social networks that David Benavidez's next opponent will not be Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez as had been said in recent hours, and that the interim light heavyweight championship will be disputed by the American fighter of Mexican descent and the Ukrainian Oleksandr Gvozdyk.

Source https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/23/65d896bdca47411a698b45b4.html

They are having a hard time keeping their story straight. Whatever comes out of the mouth of Sulaiman is likely just damage control. They don’t want to upset Canelo because they don’t want to lose their percentage of his purse. They will most likely continue to allow Canelo to evade Benavidez for as long as he pleases.

I don’t believe the $55 million offer was real. It’s just something that Lewkowicz put out there to get some publicity for Benavidez’ next fight. Sampson’s word isn’t very credible and he’s defaulted on purse bids before so where would he even get that kind of money to offer Canelo. PBC isn’t getting much of a budget from Amazon if all their cards are going on PPV, so Haymon can’t make those kind of guarantees either. It would be more money than what Canelo made against GGG, Canelo vs. Benavidez isn’t close to that magnitude.

The speculation on the boxing organizations and promoters working with Canelo and to favor him will not be very shocking, I reckon. However, the question is on Canelo and his integrity as a boxer. This is why he is not in the argument on who is the real goat of boxing.

In any case, this article gives a much clearer wording on the speculation on Mauricio Sulaiman and on the protection on Canelo.

As the March deadline approaches, has WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman played a role in helping the undisputed super-middleweight world champion, Canelo Alvarez, avoid a fight with David Benavidez?

The Cinco de Mayo weekend is a traditional fight weekend for Canelo Alvarez, but as of now he doesn’t have an opponent. Boxing fans and boxing pundits were pressing for David Benavidez to fill the open slot, but WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman has found a way to take Benavidez out of the equation.

Read in full https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/02/did-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-help-canelo-alvarez-avoid-david-benavidez/

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 24, 2024, 01:03:36 AM

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The WBC president uncle Mauricio has also appeared to change his mind on David Benavidez's next opponent.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said this Thursday through his social networks that David Benavidez's next opponent will not be Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez as had been said in recent hours, and that the interim light heavyweight championship will be disputed by the American fighter of Mexican descent and the Ukrainian Oleksandr Gvozdyk.

Source https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/23/65d896bdca47411a698b45b4.html

They are having a hard time keeping their story straight. Whatever comes out of the mouth of Sulaiman is likely just damage control. They don’t want to upset Canelo because they don’t want to lose their percentage of his purse. They will most likely continue to allow Canelo to evade Benavidez for as long as he pleases.

LOL, but it could be true, maybe the Sulaiman is going in public right now, sort of to like they are doing their job and as it giving Canelo ultimatum to fight Benavidez. But I think they are just lying here, Canelo will still fight whoever they like despite what the WBC is saying to us.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 24, 2024, 01:03:36 AM

I don’t believe the $55 million offer was real. It’s just something that Lewkowicz put out there to get some publicity for Benavidez’ next fight. Sampson’s word isn’t very credible and he’s defaulted on purse bids before so where would he even get that kind of money to offer Canelo. PBC isn’t getting much of a budget from Amazon if all their cards are going on PPV, so Haymon can’t make those kind of guarantees either. It would be more money than what Canelo made against GGG, Canelo vs. Benavidez isn’t close to that magnitude.

That's big money already and if it is true, by now Canelo could have taken that offer. So more likely it could be good money for Canelo but not close to what Lewkowicz. And we still have to wait though, but I don't see Canelo vs Benavidez. They will have separate opponent for this year and I don't think they will fight in 2024.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 23, 2024, 09:53:06 PM

The WBC president uncle Mauricio has also appeared to change his mind on David Benavidez's next opponent.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said this Thursday through his social networks that David Benavidez's next opponent will not be Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez as had been said in recent hours, and that the interim light heavyweight championship will be disputed by the American fighter of Mexican descent and the Ukrainian Oleksandr Gvozdyk.

Source https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/23/65d896bdca47411a698b45b4.html

They are having a hard time keeping their story straight. Whatever comes out of the mouth of Sulaiman is likely just damage control. They don’t want to upset Canelo because they don’t want to lose their percentage of his purse. They will most likely continue to allow Canelo to evade Benavidez for as long as he pleases.

I don’t believe the $55 million offer was real. It’s just something that Lewkowicz put out there to get some publicity for Benavidez’ next fight. Sampson’s word isn’t very credible and he’s defaulted on purse bids before so where would he even get that kind of money to offer Canelo. PBC isn’t getting much of a budget from Amazon if all their cards are going on PPV, so Haymon can’t make those kind of guarantees either. It would be more money than what Canelo made against GGG, Canelo vs. Benavidez isn’t close to that magnitude.

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For Filipino boxing fans, Dave Apolinario remains undefeated, but it was a close call against Tanes Ongjunta of Thailand. As we was knock down early, and then he storm back and knock out his opponent in the 4th round.

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Filipino flyweight contender Dave Apolinario recovered from an early stumble and scored a sensational fourth-round knockout win over Thai counterpart Tanes Ongjunta on Thursday, Feb. 22, at the Korakuen Hall in Tokyo, Japan.

https://mb.com.ph/2024/2/23/undefeated-dave-apolinario-knocks-out-thai-foe-to-earn-world-title-shot

So he is still undefeated and most likely will fight for the belt next against Japanese Seigo Yuri Akui.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 23, 2024, 03:04:44 AM

There's already 1 week before this month ends. Maybe Canelo and PBC should reach an agreement otherwise it will be a late notice to the opponent for Cinco De Mayo. I believe Canelo starts training a few days from now or who knows he is already starting his light training. Potential opponents like Jermall, Benavidez, Crawford, and Mungia better start their light training as well or they do not have proper training camps if they wait for the official decision of Canelo.

So it looks like Canelo wants Jermall but PBC wants Benavidez or Mungia. But I guess Canelo will make the final decision as he might have the right to terminate the contract with PBC. I am not confident that PBC has the money or sponsor to offer Canelo $55 million to fight Benavidez but who knows? And it also looks like PBC is protecting Jermall's 0 too.

I reckon that they would not give the offer with confidence of getting the funds and making more from it after the fight. However, I understand the skepticism because only Canelo has a name that is very known outside of the boxing community. I speculate if this event was going to be created in Saudi Arabia with the support of the Saudi royal family, we can be certain that money will be flowing out of the promoters' ears hehehee.

The WBC president uncle Mauricio has also appeared to change his mind on David Benavidez's next opponent.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said this Thursday through his social networks that David Benavidez's next opponent will not be Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez as had been said in recent hours, and that the interim light heavyweight championship will be disputed by the American fighter of Mexican descent and the Ukrainian Oleksandr Gvozdyk.

Source https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/23/65d896bdca47411a698b45b4.html

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on February 23, 2024, 05:47:50 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on February 23, 2024, 03:04:44 AM

There's already 1 week before this month ends. Maybe Canelo and PBC should reach an agreement otherwise it will be a late notice to the opponent for Cinco De Mayo. I believe Canelo starts training a few days from now or who knows he is already starting his light training. Potential opponents like Jermall, Benavidez, Crawford, and Mungia better start their light training as well or they do not have proper training camps if they wait for the official decision of Canelo.

So it looks like Canelo wants Jermall but PBC wants Benavidez or Mungia. But I guess Canelo will make the final decision as he might have the right to terminate the contract with PBC. I am not confident that PBC has the money or sponsor to offer Canelo $55 million to fight Benavidez but who knows? And it also looks like PBC is protecting Jermall's 0 too.

What are the numbers though? I thought it's $35 million and not $55 million for a Munguia fight offer for Canelo? I don't think that Canelo will terminate his contract with PBC, it should be airtight that Canelo will have to fulfill that 3 fight that he agreed. So far he had one with Jermell Charlo. But I think Canelo will chose Jermall Charlo here less risk for him, also a American, Munguia is a Mexican and we all know that his excuse are. I don't think that they are protecting Jermall's 0, I mean he has been going a lot, mental issues 160 lbs seems pretty much a dead division for now and so they will have to force him to go to 168 lbs and fight Canelo and have that storyline of revenge or something to make the fight marketable.

It's a business for sure PBC will look for a way to make things profitable and as we know Canelo's name still valuable even he was been exposed during the attempt of moving up and snatching Bivol's belt, The value of his name still attractable for the fans and bettors, compared with Charlo as you mentioned seems that they needed to risk and offer him for the sake of good amount of money.

Bringing them together and close the deal might need a story line to make it attractive and might create good impressions for the fans and followers of these two fighters, let see what will be the next update if ever Canelo and PBC will bring this fight to reality.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 23, 2024, 06:27:38 AM

On the 135 lbs division, news says that Tank Davis next opponent will be Frank Martin.

Remember though that Martin supposedly agree verbally in terms to fight Shakur Stevenson last year. But Martin back out in the last minute and Shakur fought with a lackluster performance against Edwin Delos Santos.

So let's see if this will be official in the next couple of days. The fight will be for the WBA lightweight title.

This is a big test for Tank Davis. Frank Martin is a slick boxer so this will be a big test for Davis. But as far as power, we all know that Davis has the advantage here. And I think this could be one of the best fighter that Davis might have to face in recent years.

Although the super fight in this division is Shakur vs Tank, but might not happen for now. Tank is happy with this paper belt and his camp is not ready for him to lose that 0 so they will have to protect it.

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On the 135 lbs division, news says that Tank Davis next opponent will be Frank Martin.

Remember though that Martin supposedly agree verbally in terms to fight Shakur Stevenson last year. But Martin back out in the last minute and Shakur fought with a lackluster performance against Edwin Delos Santos.

So let's see if this will be official in the next couple of days. The fight will be for the WBA lightweight title.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 23, 2024, 03:04:44 AM

There's already 1 week before this month ends. Maybe Canelo and PBC should reach an agreement otherwise it will be a late notice to the opponent for Cinco De Mayo. I believe Canelo starts training a few days from now or who knows he is already starting his light training. Potential opponents like Jermall, Benavidez, Crawford, and Mungia better start their light training as well or they do not have proper training camps if they wait for the official decision of Canelo.

So it looks like Canelo wants Jermall but PBC wants Benavidez or Mungia. But I guess Canelo will make the final decision as he might have the right to terminate the contract with PBC. I am not confident that PBC has the money or sponsor to offer Canelo $55 million to fight Benavidez but who knows? And it also looks like PBC is protecting Jermall's 0 too.

What are the numbers though? I thought it's $35 million and not $55 million for a Munguia fight offer for Canelo? I don't think that Canelo will terminate his contract with PBC, it should be airtight that Canelo will have to fulfill that 3 fight that he agreed. So far he had one with Jermell Charlo. But I think Canelo will chose Jermall Charlo here less risk for him, also a American, Munguia is a Mexican and we all know that his excuse are. I don't think that they are protecting Jermall's 0, I mean he has been going a lot, mental issues 160 lbs seems pretty much a dead division for now and so they will have to force him to go to 168 lbs and fight Canelo and have that storyline of revenge or something to make the fight marketable.

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There's already 1 week before this month ends. Maybe Canelo and PBC should reach an agreement otherwise it will be a late notice to the opponent for Cinco De Mayo. I believe Canelo starts training a few days from now or who knows he is already starting his light training. Potential opponents like Jermall, Benavidez, Crawford, and Mungia better start their light training as well or they do not have proper training camps if they wait for the official decision of Canelo.

So it looks like Canelo wants Jermall but PBC wants Benavidez or Mungia. But I guess Canelo will make the final decision as he might have the right to terminate the contract with PBC. I am not confident that PBC has the money or sponsor to offer Canelo $55 million to fight Benavidez but who knows? And it also looks like PBC is protecting Jermall's 0 too.

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Not sure if this is true or not,

https://twitter.com/boxing_william/status/1758908335083192470

But based on that statement, it seems that they are forcing Canelo to fight Benavidez next and so they are negotiating behind. Again, there's a lot of rumors that it will be Charlo next for Canelo in May. Let's see how this so could negotiation goes though, if this is real then good for us. But it might have been contradict what Canelo said recently that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. All we can do right now is wait until we finally hear official statement from Canelo.

I think this is true Mauricio Sulaimán is eager to see this fight but Canelo Alvarez is furious upon hearing this, as he wants to fight Jermell Charlo in his next fight but instead Sulaiman wants a mandatory fight between Canelo Alvarez VS David Benavidez, and Sulaiman then added that Canelo VS Benevidez is a more logical fight to see than with a Charlo fight. it should be rematched but instead because of WBO's Mauricio Sulaiman, Canelo Alvarez will fight Benavidez.

Mauricio Sulaiman is from the WBC. In any case, it appears that Sulaiman is listening to the fans and he wants to give us what we have always wished to witness for Canelo's next opponent. I have also seen a locked thread about the PBC offering Canelo $55 million if he signs the deal. This will certainly show that Canelo is avoiding king David Benavidez if he rejects this hehehehe.

On Caenlo fans who want to defend him for this. This is boxing where the best fighters should fight each other. This should not be something similar to the Miss Universe.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 22, 2024, 07:36:00 AM

^^ What if Canelo wants Charlo for the same $35 million? Will PBC give in to his demand or would push for a Munguia fight. And obviously $35 million guaranteed is big money, but perhaps Canelo is not satisfied and still ask for more money.

And it just shows that Canelo is calling the shot, PBC could have go to let Canelo be paid by that huge amount and fight Jaime Munguia. No second options for him. That money is already huge, what more can Canelo ask for? And it's a fight that he will be likely the favorite, so it's a win-win for him.

Quote from: btc_angela on February 22, 2024, 07:36:00 AM

As for Munguia, he could be getting his biggest paycheck and so I think they will sign the contract right away if there will be an offer from Canelo and PBC. However, isn't it too late? We just have 1 week before the start of March, and usually this boxers need 8-12 weeks for training and promotion. So the everything is still on the side of Canelo here, May 5 or at least along that week he usually fights as it is a Mexican day and so he needs to make the decision ASAP.

Time is running out, but I do believed that Canelo is already back in the game around February and could have been doing like training in the mitts to keep himself in shape and not just go and start training once they sign the contract as to who he is going to fight next.

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