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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 07, 2023, 09:17:05 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on December 07, 2023, 04:32:45 AM

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

But I guess he can't go back to 126-lbs no more, that's why he really need to go up at 130-lbs even if it's going to be hard for him at this weight class. And another interesting fight because it seems that his opponent could be a journey man already.

And as what we call it, a cherry pick fight for him or at least showcase his skills at this new division. And who knows, maybe he could be small here, but he will have to adapt and change his strategy as the now that he is in a new division.

Yeah, there's no way back as he needs to step up to push his career, we don't know what will be the fate awaits him but just like what you menetioned even if it's a cherry pick for him the chance still good to showcase his skills from there he may take some risky fight if he manage to win this one an create his path inside this new division that he's taking.

Weekends is nearly coming if you are a fan then better to save some spare coin/money for Magsayo's odd.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 07, 2023, 04:32:45 AM

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

But I guess he can't go back to 126-lbs no more, that's why he really need to go up at 130-lbs even if it's going to be hard for him at this weight class. And another interesting fight because it seems that his opponent could be a journey man already.

And as what we call it, a cherry pick fight for him or at least showcase his skills at this new division. And who knows, maybe he could be small here, but he will have to adapt and change his strategy as the now that he is in a new division.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 07, 2023, 04:32:45 AM

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

Oh good for Mark for moving up at the 130 lbs division, it's obvious that he had a hard time making that 126 lbs as his body is growing already. But I do agree that it might be very difficult for him for this division.

So let's see how it goes for him, he will be against a unknown boxer, perhaps this is just a tune up for him. His opponent records is not that good as per boxrec, many losses in the last 8 to 10 fights.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/719645

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To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 05, 2023, 01:47:49 PM

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Quite interesting right as for sure Devin Haney is still undefeated, while Regis Prograis has 1 and it was from Josh Taylor but sure Devin Haney is the more agile one for sure and right now Prograis is fighting to defend his title belt the WBC title defense, and this is quite interesting for sure,

Of course, this is much awaited battle between two champions.
For Devin Haney himself, he has succeeded in having the WBC, IBF, WBO and WBA (Super) lightweight world title belts.
So in this fight if Devin Haney succeeds in defeating Regis Prograis then Devin Haney title acquisition will be more perfect with the inclusion of the title WBC Super Lightweight champion who was won from Prograis.
Devin Haney comes in as challenger but he is great contender and deserves to win this fight for the WBC Super Lightweight belt.

Of all the fight results, Devin Haney is able to always win, making him the favorite and able to take the belt from Prograis.
And Devin Haney victory will make history for him because entering the WBC Super Lightweight class as challenger can immediately win and the belt.

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I saw that leaked video, and yes, it looks like Haney but it's not, and they say it's Elijah Pierce. And this could be a old video as the supposedly dance partner is super bantamweight so there is a big difference as far as weight class goes or if really Pierce.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/768225

So I wouldn't put too much emphasize on that video, it just hype more on Davis power though instead of a good promotion for Devin Haney.

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There was supposedly a leaked video, a sparring session between Tank Davis and Devin Haney:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhiJXcsdpaA

However, I don't think that is Haney though, there are a lot of videos surfacing lately with regards to that (in)famous sparring, but I don't see that it's legit or at least that is Haney in the video.

They could have sparred before, many times throughout, but we will have to see if there's one true video of that or who got the better of who. I don't know, since this is fight week already, they need to hype Haney vs Prograis.

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^^ Prograis lost though is a close one against Josh Taylor, but for a brief moment, Taylor is the unified 140 lbs, so we can say that Prograis gave everything he got in that game he just fell short against a prime Josh Taylor. Taylor though has no more belts at 140 lbs, his last belt was taken about by Teo Lopez already.

So this is still a good match-up, Haney the more defensive boxer and obviously more agile in this fight.

Prograis not that much of a movement, but he has the power to knockout out Devin Haney here.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 05, 2023, 06:15:30 AM

There were many times Duarte came near and even cornered Ryan but the problem was his speed. Duarte's not known to be fast but he became too slow with the added weight. Ryan trained with a coach whose fighters are slick and technical so Duarte was the perfect pick.

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

I agree with you, that Ryan Garcia is not used to using the Philly Shell yet, or maybe you are right about his natural technique I think he is still not used to the Philly Shell, and he looks really clumsy while doing it, and plus the running for sure I want Ryan Garcia to be in his old ways and for sure just take that running and be more technical and that was it,

Quote from: Fredomago on December 05, 2023, 07:40:32 AM

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

For sure the fans don't like the new Ryan Garcia that much and for sure many are booing him while he runs away or gives his back on Oscar Duarte, for sure it was really surprising for Ryan Garcia to do such things and for me, I really don't like the way he gets his back to Duarte which I think even with the minus points on Duarte Oscar Duarte is still punching the crap out of Ryan Garcia for sure Ryan Garcia doesn't care much when Duarte punching him on the back of his head,

Quote from: Hirose UK on December 05, 2023, 08:57:57 AM

This is quite an interesting fight as Devin Haney vs Regis Prograis meets for the WBC super lightweight title.

Of the two boxers, it can be seen in various promotions and also on social media that Devin Haney is more striking or he is more enthusiastic and full of confidence to win and can overwhelm Regis Prograis in facing him.
With his achievements as boxer who previously held the undefeated lightweight world title and has record (30-0, 15 KO) he looks very confident in his ability to be able to hold this WBC title.
But if you look at the performance of both of them, Devin Haney will be more agile and faster than Regis Prograis because in terms of age alone, the two of them have difference of around 9 years.

Who knows who will be the winner in this fight but making Devin Haney the favorite is also the right choice.

Quite interesting right as for sure Devin Haney is still undefeated, while Regis Prograis has 1 and it was from Josh Taylor but sure Devin Haney is the more agile one for sure and right now Prograis is fighting to defend his title belt the WBC title defense, and this is quite interesting for sure,

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 03, 2023, 06:48:45 PM

We will be having a great event this week and I think many will love this because it is Haney who is fighting

Haney vs. Prograis

Saturday 12.09.2023 at 09:00 PM ET

Promotion: Matchroom Boxing
Venue: Chase Center
Location: San Francisco, California

This is quite an interesting fight as Devin Haney vs Regis Prograis meets for the WBC super lightweight title.

Of the two boxers, it can be seen in various promotions and also on social media that Devin Haney is more striking or he is more enthusiastic and full of confidence to win and can overwhelm Regis Prograis in facing him.
With his achievements as boxer who previously held the undefeated lightweight world title and has record (30-0, 15 KO) he looks very confident in his ability to be able to hold this WBC title.
But if you look at the performance of both of them, Devin Haney will be more agile and faster than Regis Prograis because in terms of age alone, the two of them have difference of around 9 years.

Who knows who will be the winner in this fight but making Devin Haney the favorite is also the right choice.

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Quote from: yazher on December 05, 2023, 08:08:37 AM

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He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

I agree, just because he won that fight via knockout and was able to prevent further loss, he needs to work and improve his stamina because his next opponents could not have that kind of problem and will be faster and have some power punches than him. He has a lot of room for improvement and surely his comeback fight was really the most important one because it could be the same reason for him to train more and have some courage to add something to his skills and techniques.

It's expected that he'll have a tougher opponent next time as his ranking has improve, and probably, they might look for a championship fight as they are very eager to put Ryan Garcia back as a champion, that if they were satisfied already on his performance on his recent fight.

Ryan before he got defeated by Tank is a very hype fighter, now there's mix reaction and majority has probably criticized him as they were expecting a big comeback win, not a KO win but has struggle in few rounds before the win, and the he didn't fight a high-rank boxer in the division.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 05, 2023, 07:40:32 AM

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

I agree, just because he won that fight via knockout and was able to prevent further loss, he needs to work and improve his stamina because his next opponents could not have that kind of problem and will be faster and have some power punches than him. He has a lot of room for improvement and surely his comeback fight was really the most important one because it could be the same reason for him to train more and have some courage to add something to his skills and techniques.

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Ryan Garcia won but I see a lot of weakness was shown with what he has done. Too much movement can be exhausting and if he is up against a fighter who has strong stamina then it will be a big problem for him.
But like I said before, this is his class weight and he can surely dominate it because of being young. That's his next weakness, he is too young and it's too obvious the way he performed. He sometimes forgets that the strategy was to just circle around until Duarte gets exhausted. Luckily, he still managed to follow the plan.
A win is still a win, it may look like an ugly fight but I think that's the strategy. Keep the distance, don't let Duarte get near and punish his body because he is also weak there. Another lucky coincidence is the referee was a technical official. He keeps on halting the fight for a warning which takes the rhythm out of Duarte.
But Ryan Garcia cannot find the same way the next time. There's always a way to stop that and the effects of exhaustion will be on him.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 05, 2023, 06:15:30 AM

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

I guess he needs looking for a new one, his new style kills his old aggressive self. However, if Ryan prioritize winning over entertaining people, he might keep his coach as he got his first win, but it was really a dominant win although he scored a KO.

It's a few occations in boxing that a winner won by KO and yet fans are not happy, so Ryan should listen to the fans they are the reasons why he is making a decent paycheck in boxing, change his boring style and win at the same time, that's what we want to see.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 05, 2023, 06:15:30 AM

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Even though there is no title fight in the event I gave it a try because I expected good trades between Ryan and Duarte. But it ended up with Ryan using his newly learned techniques from James, the Philly Shell, and some running. There were so many openings on Ryan in that fight. Even light punchers Shakur and Haney would've easily stopped Ryan. But Duarte seemed lost in that fight. He was supposed to throw 3 to 5 right hooks on the side where Ryan is open but he can't. I guess Duarte was probably thinking about why he couldn't throw punches like he wanted to. But that was because he moved up 2 divisions north. He felt heavy and he was too slow to exploit the many openings in front of him.

If that was Ryan's last fight under GBP then he can sign with PBC to get that Rolly fight. Otherwise, he gets easily demolished by the champions, Teofimo, Prograis and Matias. But what can we expect though, he lost to Tank who's not even a world champion so how much more if he faces the real high-caliber fighters.

From what I have seen about Oscar Duarte he did not manage to make an adjustment on the fight he has trained for sure and has studied the past movements of Ryan Garcia and he was really not into this kind of Style that Ryan Garcia does so for sure he was caught up with not really knowing what to do, as even the fans are really question mark on what Ryan Garcia was doing, for sure many was baffled on why there was running from him, so many are just booing him by doing this,

There were many times Duarte came near and even cornered Ryan but the problem was his speed. Duarte's not known to be fast but he became too slow with the added weight. Ryan trained with a coach whose fighters are slick and technical so Duarte was the perfect pick.

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 04, 2023, 01:59:09 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on December 04, 2023, 02:59:25 AM

Even though there is no title fight in the event I gave it a try because I expected good trades between Ryan and Duarte. But it ended up with Ryan using his newly learned techniques from James, the Philly Shell, and some running. There were so many openings on Ryan in that fight. Even light punchers Shakur and Haney would've easily stopped Ryan. But Duarte seemed lost in that fight. He was supposed to throw 3 to 5 right hooks on the side where Ryan is open but he can't. I guess Duarte was probably thinking about why he couldn't throw punches like he wanted to. But that was because he moved up 2 divisions north. He felt heavy and he was too slow to exploit the many openings in front of him.

If that was Ryan's last fight under GBP then he can sign with PBC to get that Rolly fight. Otherwise, he gets easily demolished by the champions, Teofimo, Prograis and Matias. But what can we expect though, he lost to Tank who's not even a world champion so how much more if he faces the real high-caliber fighters.

From what I have seen about Oscar Duarte he did not manage to make an adjustment on the fight he has trained for sure and has studied the past movements of Ryan Garcia and he was really not into this kind of Style that Ryan Garcia does so for sure he was caught up with not really knowing what to do, as even the fans are really question mark on what Ryan Garcia was doing, for sure many was baffled on why there was running from him, so many are just booing him by doing this,

There were many times Duarte came near and even cornered Ryan but the problem was his speed. Duarte's not known to be fast but he became too slow with the added weight. Ryan trained with a coach whose fighters are slick and technical so Duarte was the perfect pick.

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on December 03, 2023, 10:53:20 PM

I see that Ryan's younger brother, Sean, is still trying to give professional boxing a try. I looked him up on BoxRec and his last fight was a year ago in Korea on the undercard of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition. He scored a draw in that fight against a local fighter with a 2-1-1 record and prior to that he got a majority decision against a 5-5 boxer. He is clearly not very good but perhaps we will see him on a Misfits Boxing card fighting against influencers.

For sure Sean Garcia still wants to be in the footsteps of his brother and after the Draw results back in Korea maybe he is still positive about getting into the sports the same as his brother, for that is a real commitment if he still likes to make it that way, as for sure he needs to get this slowly and surely because they will never be the same as Ryan Garcia if he is positive in some way then he can surely get it going but don't expect much even though he is the brother of Ryan,

Quote from: inthelongrun on December 04, 2023, 02:59:25 AM

Even though there is no title fight in the event I gave it a try because I expected good trades between Ryan and Duarte. But it ended up with Ryan using his newly learned techniques from James, the Philly Shell, and some running. There were so many openings on Ryan in that fight. Even light punchers Shakur and Haney would've easily stopped Ryan. But Duarte seemed lost in that fight. He was supposed to throw 3 to 5 right hooks on the side where Ryan is open but he can't. I guess Duarte was probably thinking about why he couldn't throw punches like he wanted to. But that was because he moved up 2 divisions north. He felt heavy and he was too slow to exploit the many openings in front of him.

If that was Ryan's last fight under GBP then he can sign with PBC to get that Rolly fight. Otherwise, he gets easily demolished by the champions, Teofimo, Prograis and Matias. But what can we expect though, he lost to Tank who's not even a world champion so how much more if he faces the real high-caliber fighters.

From what I have seen about Oscar Duarte he did not manage to make an adjustment on the fight he has trained for sure and has studied the past movements of Ryan Garcia and he was really not into this kind of Style that Ryan Garcia does so for sure he was caught up with not really knowing what to do, as even the fans are really question mark on what Ryan Garcia was doing, for sure many was baffled on why there was running from him, so many are just booing him by doing this,

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Results of the Garcia vs. Duarte Event

Garcia vs. Duarte

Ryan Garcia Defeated Oscar Duarte - KO/TKO
Floyd Schofield Defeated Ricardo Lopez - KO/TKO
Shane Mosley Jr. Defeated Joshua Conley - KO/TKO
Darius Fulghum Defeated Pachino Hill - KO/TKO
Sean Garcia Defeated Joseph Johnson - DECISION
Gael Cabrera Defeated Alejandro Dominguez - KO/TKO

Actually, I really don't know what happens to these 2 fights

Asa Stevens VS Dominique Griffin
Danilo Diez VS Jose Alvarado

I see that Ryan's younger brother, Sean, is still trying to give professional boxing a try. I looked him up on BoxRec and his last fight was a year ago in Korea on the undercard of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition. He scored a draw in that fight against a local fighter with a 2-1-1 record and prior to that he got a majority decision against a 5-5 boxer. He is clearly not very good but perhaps we will see him on a Misfits Boxing card fighting against influencers.

Thanks for this, yeah, something pop up on my youtube reels about the young Garcia also winning. He looks very similar to Ryan and his stance as well. But we all know that most of the times, it's seldom that we see two great boxers at the same time. Yeah, probably he fight continue to fight and make some money along the way and maybe hoping that he can be as popular as his brother. But he needs that talent though, not just the appeal and with that, he needs to really work hard and maybe train along with his older brother. Ryan next fight could be against Rolly Romero for that IBF belt I reckon.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 03, 2023, 04:46:27 PM

^^ Garcia has been doing that kind of defense though, but he was not as slick as a black boxer. However, when he moves to train under James, it was evident that maybe he teaches him that defense, the Philly shell, but Garcia has a lot to train with that, as he over exaggerate it.

And it's good to see another familiar name there, Shane Mosley Jr., obviously the son of Shane Sr. We all know that Shane Sr is a good boxer as well during his prime, defeated Oscar Dela Hoya and almost knock down Floyd Mayweather.

As for Ryan, he wants a belt at 140 lbs so he is calling Rolly Romero as his next fight. Duarte though trying to get back in this fight, unfortunately he was waived as he got up at the 9 count and still has wobbly legs.

Even though there is no title fight in the event I gave it a try because I expected good trades between Ryan and Duarte. But it ended up with Ryan using his newly learned techniques from James, the Philly Shell, and some running. There were so many openings on Ryan in that fight. Even light punchers Shakur and Haney would've easily stopped Ryan. But Duarte seemed lost in that fight. He was supposed to throw 3 to 5 right hooks on the side where Ryan is open but he can't. I guess Duarte was probably thinking about why he couldn't throw punches like he wanted to. But that was because he moved up 2 divisions north. He felt heavy and he was too slow to exploit the many openings in front of him.

If that was Ryan's last fight under GBP then he can sign with PBC to get that Rolly fight. Otherwise, he gets easily demolished by the champions, Teofimo, Prograis and Matias. But what can we expect though, he lost to Tank who's not even a world champion so how much more if he faces the real high-caliber fighters.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 03, 2023, 01:36:45 PM

Results of the Garcia vs. Duarte Event

Garcia vs. Duarte

Ryan Garcia Defeated Oscar Duarte - KO/TKO
Floyd Schofield Defeated Ricardo Lopez - KO/TKO
Shane Mosley Jr. Defeated Joshua Conley - KO/TKO
Darius Fulghum Defeated Pachino Hill - KO/TKO
Sean Garcia Defeated Joseph Johnson - DECISION
Gael Cabrera Defeated Alejandro Dominguez - KO/TKO

Actually, I really don't know what happens to these 2 fights

Asa Stevens VS Dominique Griffin
Danilo Diez VS Jose Alvarado

I see that Ryan's younger brother, Sean, is still trying to give professional boxing a try. I looked him up on BoxRec and his last fight was a year ago in Korea on the undercard of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition. He scored a draw in that fight against a local fighter with a 2-1-1 record and prior to that he got a majority decision against a 5-5 boxer. He is clearly not very good but perhaps we will see him on a Misfits Boxing card fighting against influencers.

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