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This fight is tomorrow night right?

Crawford by decision: 1.76
Crawford by KO: 2.55

Where should the smart money goes into this fight?

I would say Crawford by decision, we've discussed this many times already, Porter is not an easy boxer to be knock out and if Crawford is the favorite in this fight, he should win by decision.
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^^ If he will be present on the fight itself, then it looks like the eye operation has been healing as scheduled.

So definitely that is the fight that we are also waiting to happen for years now, Crawford vs Spence or the unification of the welterweight division. But first, Crawford needs to get over Porter here in a spectacular fashion so that Arum will have no reason not to set up the fight next.

Arum waited too long to make it happen? I think if he wants to set up a fight between Crawford and Spence, they could have already arranged it before Spence meet a car accident. I have a feeling that Bob is trying to play safe as he is not sure if Crawford would win against Spence.

If Bob would always do that then most likely Crawford will not renew the contract with the top rank, it was reported that his contract will expire soon so he has a chance now to work with other promoters that could give him the fight that he is asking for. The job of the promoter is very crucial in building a fighter's career, but if it will result to not fighting the best, then it does not make a champion a real champion, if you know what I'm saying.

The truth has all the logic in the world, and I don't know, but in my opinion Crawford is clearly not satisfied with the work that his promoter has done, and maybe he wants some more action with another, also this life is one of opportunities, maybe there is a promoter who gives him the leap to greater fame, with better contacts and obviously with the search for better fights, this is something that every boxer looks for in order to have more fame, money and acceptance.


Exactly, because he is not making big money despite him being the number 1 pound for pound king in the past in the ring magazine ranking. Bob Arum is just too clever, he won't give Crawford a fight that he might likely lose as he wants to make him his cash cow even if he makes a small money as long as it's consistent, and Crawford as a boxer is criticize by that and he doesn't want that.
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^^ If he will be present on the fight itself, then it looks like the eye operation has been healing as scheduled.

So definitely that is the fight that we are also waiting to happen for years now, Crawford vs Spence or the unification of the welterweight division. But first, Crawford needs to get over Porter here in a spectacular fashion so that Arum will have no reason not to set up the fight next.

Arum waited too long to make it happen? I think if he wants to set up a fight between Crawford and Spence, they could have already arranged it before Spence meet a car accident. I have a feeling that Bob is trying to play safe as he is not sure if Crawford would win against Spence.

If Bob would always do that then most likely Crawford will not renew the contract with the top rank, it was reported that his contract will expire soon so he has a chance now to work with other promoters that could give him the fight that he is asking for. The job of the promoter is very crucial in building a fighter's career, but if it will result to not fighting the best, then it does not make a champion a real champion, if you know what I'm saying.

The truth has all the logic in the world, and I don't know, but in my opinion Crawford is clearly not satisfied with the work that his promoter has done, and maybe he wants some more action with another, also this life is one of opportunities, maybe there is a promoter who gives him the leap to greater fame, with better contacts and obviously with the search for better fights, this is something that every boxer looks for in order to have more fame, money and acceptance.
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How about Porter by KO?

That x15 is very sweet, I'm sure everyone is betting on Crawford to win but since Porter has not been KO in his fights, then maybe he has a chance to pull an upset and that is by knocking out Crawford. Does anyone sees it possible to happen?

Not sure if he can pull a KO against Crawford mate. Unless he is extremely lucky and caught Crawford coming it and then he it him so hard that he didn't see it coming.

But in any case, I'm not seeing it happening, Crawford is too intelligent to be KO. If there is a chance for Porter to pull an upset, it might be in the judges score card with a split decision win.
That x15 is indeed very sweet and attractive but if only Porter can fortunately manage to get that lucky punch to knock Crawford out. But I think it's way too impossible for Porter to pull a knockout punch, I really don't see that it would be possible. I mean look at Crawford's jaw, by the looks of it, you can already see it.
The only possible outcome is either of them can win via split-decision or chances are Porter getting knocked-out by Crawford.
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but on the other hand what you say is true it is not easy to cure the retinal surgery that he did a few months ago. because this must be healed first and really healed because this is something important and so as not to cause things that are not wanted.
despite all that Thurman now still likes an ordinary life off the pitch.
actually I really want him to hurry up to fight again but it's possible he still wants to relax in his private life.

Just think about this, doctors are not going to clear Spence to fight if his eye is not fully healed 100%.

They won't simply allow him to box, simply as that. But if the healing process is so fast and that the doctors say no problem whatsoever they he is clear to fight, Crawford or Thurman.

But first we have to see what will be the result of this fight first. There's too much at stake for Crawford here, if he losses then all of his plan as put to drain.
I myself am optimistic about Crawford's victory actually because statistically he is superior in various aspects but experience is indeed on Porter's side here. I'm not moving though and I'd like to see Crawford on track to victory and ready to head towards a unified welterweight spence.
On the other hand, Spence has indeed been able to compete and the doctor has said that he is free and 100 percent cured but I think there will still be a slight difference that Spence will receive after this operation.
As optimistic as the bookie because he is currently-590 moneyline to win this fight, or let's say he is the heavy favorite to win.
https://edge.twinspires.com/boxing/crawford-vs-porter-betting-odds-preview-pick-nov-20/

He will likely win this fight but I like to see him respond to a tough challenger who knows nothing but attacks his opponent and bully his way.
Crawford has to find a way to counter Porter very well as he is quick and for sure he can find a timing to through a clean counter punch.

but on the other hand we should not look at porter with one eye because indeed he is one of the boxers who is quite aggressive and indeed the experience he has is more than enough to compete with Crawford.
but on the other hand I like what Crawford has but not Porter which is he can turn other people's aggressiveness into his own and inevitably boxers who face Crawford have to rack their brains.
he is one of the smartest boxers and can take advantage of the opponent's advantage into his advantage then it is certain that he will be seeded.
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How about Porter by KO?

That x15 is very sweet, I'm sure everyone is betting on Crawford to win but since Porter has not been KO in his fights, then maybe he has a chance to pull an upset and that is by knocking out Crawford. Does anyone sees it possible to happen?

Not sure if he can pull a KO against Crawford mate. Unless he is extremely lucky and caught Crawford coming it and then he it him so hard that he didn't see it coming.

But in any case, I'm not seeing it happening, Crawford is too intelligent to be KO. If there is a chance for Porter to pull an upset, it might be in the judges score card with a split decision win.

That's why the odds is very high because there's a little chance that Porter will upset Crawford in this fight.
As per this odds calculated, https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html... 15 is equivalent to 6.7% chance of winning, so that's really low.
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How about Porter by KO?

That x15 is very sweet, I'm sure everyone is betting on Crawford to win but since Porter has not been KO in his fights, then maybe he has a chance to pull an upset and that is by knocking out Crawford. Does anyone sees it possible to happen?

Not sure if he can pull a KO against Crawford mate. Unless he is extremely lucky and caught Crawford coming it and then he it him so hard that he didn't see it coming.

But in any case, I'm not seeing it happening, Crawford is too intelligent to be KO. If there is a chance for Porter to pull an upset, it might be in the judges score card with a split decision win.
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How about Porter by KO?

That x15 is very sweet, I'm sure everyone is betting on Crawford to win but since Porter has not been KO in his fights, then maybe he has a chance to pull an upset and that is by knocking out Crawford. Does anyone sees it possible to happen?
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^^ Yeah, it's not that bad for a Crawford decision.

Not expecting a wild swing odds, I think it will remain like that as the fight date gets close. So it's better to get our bet early to at least have that odds. And better throw some good money at Crawford with that odds so that we can enjoy some winnings. KO is very far in this fight, both have very good chin and by far no Porter hasn't lost by a knock out either.
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Porter hasn't knock out with this style so he will continue with it because it made him a champion. All of his losses are very close fight that's why this fight might be the same, very hard for judges to score because of the contrasting style this two have.

This fight will go to the scorecards I think because both fighters are tough and Porter will still bulldoze his way into Crawford trying to slow him down going into the championship rounds.
 
This fight is for Terrence Crawford to shine so I'll go with him winning via Decision as Porter is one tough customer and @1.74 it's not bad to bet for him.

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Porter hasn't knock out with this style so he will continue with it because it made him a champion.
He hasn't been knockout because he is strong, unfortunately if he fought a boxer who are fast and knows how to use the ring, he will lose.

All of his losses are very close fight that's why this fight might be the same, very hard for judges to score because of the contrasting style this two have.
Actually not so close, only the last fight against Spence is close because Spence won only by split decision.

his two other losses are against Keith Thurman (UD) , and Kell Brook (MD), and mind you, Crawford beat Kell Brook via TKO.

But if you check the score on the Thurman vs Porter fight, I would say that it was close, 115-113 on all 3 judges, it might be a UD but not a UD that the difference is very far.

Against Brook, Porter fought Brook during his prime, the best version of Kell Brook.

When Crawford fought Brook, GGG disfigured his face already, broke his orbital bone, then Spence KO him the next fight.

I would say that the Brook that Crawford fought was already way past his prime. Just a remnants of his old self.

So you can't compare the version of Brook that Porter fought and the version that Crawford had.
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Porter hasn't knock out with this style so he will continue with it because it made him a champion.
He hasn't been knockout because he is strong, unfortunately if he fought a boxer who are fast and knows how to use the ring, he will lose.

All of his losses are very close fight that's why this fight might be the same, very hard for judges to score because of the contrasting style this two have.
Actually not so close, only the last fight against Spence is close because Spence won only by split decision.

his two other losses are against Keith Thurman (UD) , and Kell Brook (MD), and mind you, Crawford beat Kell Brook via TKO.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.

And maybe Porter learned from that loss and start to change his fighting style, not too aggressive to conserve stamina,

He might try to push closer to make a big damage and KO Crawford, if he will not change his style, Crawford can easily play him with jab and run,
this champ is very good in defending his critical area. He will not allow Porter to easily trigger this part.

It's important for Porter to play his card when it's needed the most. His opponent already knew his style, better to make adjustments and surprise
Crawford's camp.
That's always been his style though, so I doubt that he will change it here in the Crawford fight.

On the contrary, I'm thinking that he will be super aggressive in this one, and will try to make Crawford very uncomfortable in this fight. Yes, we all know that he can switch stance, fight backwards, counter, but if Porter are not going to give him breathing room, he might not utilised his skills. However, it's the question on how Porter can sustain his run, he might get tired if this is his strategy.

Right, and his style fits Crawford, a defensive fighter against a hard nose like Porter, this is really a clash of their style. And we really don't know who will remain on top.

Porter hasn't knock out with this style so he will continue with it because it made him a champion. All of his losses are very close fight that's why this fight might be the same, very hard for judges to score because of the contrasting style this two have.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.

And maybe Porter learned from that loss and start to change his fighting style, not too aggressive to conserve stamina,

He might try to push closer to make a big damage and KO Crawford, if he will not change his style, Crawford can easily play him with jab and run,
this champ is very good in defending his critical area. He will not allow Porter to easily trigger this part.

It's important for Porter to play his card when it's needed the most. His opponent already knew his style, better to make adjustments and surprise
Crawford's camp.
That's always been his style though, so I doubt that he will change it here in the Crawford fight.

On the contrary, I'm thinking that he will be super aggressive in this one, and will try to make Crawford very uncomfortable in this fight. Yes, we all know that he can switch stance, fight backwards, counter, but if Porter are not going to give him breathing room, he might not utilised his skills. However, it's the question on how Porter can sustain his run, he might get tired if this is his strategy.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.

And maybe Porter learned from that loss and start to change his fighting style, not too aggressive to conserve stamina,

He might try to push closer to make a big damage and KO Crawford, if he will not change his style, Crawford can easily play him with jab and run,
this champ is very good in defending his critical area. He will not allow Porter to easily trigger this part.

It's important for Porter to play his card when it's needed the most. His opponent already knew his style, better to make adjustments and surprise
Crawford's camp.
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That's right, this is the last fight of Crawford under Top rank promotion if he will not renew the contract. It's not a problem for him to look for other promoters as surely there are many who are just waiting for him and they could give a good offer to Crawford just to get him on board.

Bob Arum discusses prospect of continuing to promote Terence Crawford after Shawn Porter fight

If Crawford is dreaming on fighting the best then he should take the risk not to renew under Top Rank as the reason why rumors came out that he is looking for a new promoter is because he is not satisfied on the time he work with Top rank.

He's not getting the big fight that he deserves, the Pacquiao and the Spence fights slips because he is under Bob Arum who is known to cherry-picked opponents for his prizefighters, he should be like Canelo, who's a free agent and can deal against big names, that is why he is on top of the standing in the pound for pound standing, once he gets out of Arum the negotiation against Spence or Ugas will be easy if you want to be the best you have to fight the best.

It should only be Errol Spence for Terence Crawford’s next fight after Shawn Porter. I speculate Errol Spence wants to have that fight also because of the money and because Spence knows that he and Crawford are presently the only kings of welterweight. Crawford also knows this.

I predict in Terence Crawford’s next contract, it will be agreed that his next fight should be for unification of welterweight championship versus Spence.

Hopefully this will be the case if he beat Shawn Porter (most likely), there's no more active welter right now that can really have a good match except Errol Spence. And if the reports are true that his eye injury is remedy and now healthy, then they should set it up. Unless neither one of them wanted to make the fight to happen, and the only reasons I can only think of is the money and the split. Who will take the lion share? can they both agreed to a 50/50 split?
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That's right, this is the last fight of Crawford under Top rank promotion if he will not renew the contract. It's not a problem for him to look for other promoters as surely there are many who are just waiting for him and they could give a good offer to Crawford just to get him on board.

Bob Arum discusses prospect of continuing to promote Terence Crawford after Shawn Porter fight

If Crawford is dreaming on fighting the best then he should take the risk not to renew under Top Rank as the reason why rumors came out that he is looking for a new promoter is because he is not satisfied on the time he work with Top rank.

He's not getting the big fight that he deserves, the Pacquiao and the Spence fights slips because he is under Bob Arum who is known to cherry-picked opponents for his prizefighters, he should be like Canelo, who's a free agent and can deal against big names, that is why he is on top of the standing in the pound for pound standing, once he gets out of Arum the negotiation against Spence or Ugas will be easy if you want to be the best you have to fight the best.

It should only be Errol Spence for Terence Crawford’s next fight after Shawn Porter. I speculate Errol Spence wants to have that fight also because of the money and because Spence knows that he and Crawford are presently the only kings of welterweight. Crawford also knows this.

I predict in Terence Crawford’s next contract, it will be agreed that his next fight should be for unification of welterweight championship versus Spence.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.

Yeah Porter can definately take some lunches but Crawford throws a stiff straight arm jab and if he connects on a combo with Porter getting himself too far in he will knock him out.  But hey Porter connects on an early flurry and this can go sideways quick.  My money is on Crawford with a ko/tko on this one though.

A KO/TKO bet on Crawford is the better bet in terms of winnings because the ML odds for Crawford is too low, to the extent that it is not worth betting anymore. 1.10 is not worth betting except if you are willing to risk a much bigger amount.

It is interesting to look at the possibility of a Crawford KO/TKO win. Porter has never been KOed/TKOed. The man has a tough chin. But on the other side, Crawford has been technically knocking out his opponents since 2015.

Betting on Crawford KO/TKO is the real gamble here. I'm thinking of doing the same.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.

Yeah Porter can definately take some lunches but Crawford throws a stiff straight arm jab and if he connects on a combo with Porter getting himself too far in he will knock him out.  But hey Porter connects on an early flurry and this can go sideways quick.  My money is on Crawford with a ko/tko on this one though.
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^^ It's possible that Porter could suffer a flash knock down, just like in the Spence fight.

But maybe it will be because he is very tired and fatigue in this fight. He is throws a lot of punches in his every fight, but I don't think that Crawford can put a ko punch on Porter here. Both of them have a tough chin, so this could go to distance. And maybe the knock down could spell the difference on who is going to win in this fight.
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