[Boxing]: Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter - Nov. 20 - page 9.

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^^ But we don't know for sure if Crawford will sign for an extension with Top Rank. As far as I can remember their contract will end this month. And maybe this is the last time that we might see Crawford under the Top Rank banner. And maybe he will shift to other promotional company that will give him the fight that he wanted and of course the biggest paycheck every fight until he retires.

You might be right. And this fight is mandatory, so Crawford or at least Bob Arum can't do anything about it but to honor the mandatory. Maybe Bob Arum still doesn't want to have Crawford fighting a tougher opponent in Porter, but it is what it is.

Regarding his contract, they've been in bad taste lately, as Arum said that Crawford can't sell fight and this somewhat offended Bud. So I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to extend his contract with Top Rank.

Crawford despite being an undefeated champion does not make a lot of money in boxing, and probably because Top Rank does not give him big fights.
As per this article, his net worth is only $8 million and for me, that's too low considering he has been a boxer for years.

https://playersbio.com/terence-crawford/

Everyone might be avoiding to fight Terence Crawford. They do not want to be his next victim hehehe. Pacman was also avoiding Crawford when the 2 of them were under Top Rank Boxing at the same time. That fight would have easily been organized if Pacman wanted to fight him.

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Quote from: Dave1 on October 29, 2021, 12:49:52 AM

I'm still 50/50 on this one, yes Crawford has all the attributes of a highly skilled boxer, no doubt about that. But he hasn't seen a fighter like Porter who is true offense and his best defense is his offense. So we don't know how he will react? how will his boxing IQ digest the fight itself and what will be his reaction. I can't decide for now and maybe pass on this fight and just watch and see if Crawford is really that good and why people regard him as the best welterweight.

Terence Crawford is a good boxer but over confidence is not good. His recent statement suggest that he thinks that fight with Shawn porter is not that important and he could easily defeat him. Let's wee what develops on November 20th.

TERENCE CRAWFORD BELIEVES KEITH THURMAN IS A BIGGER FIGHT THAN SHAWN PORTER

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I'm still 50/50 on this one, yes Crawford has all the attributes of a highly skilled boxer, no doubt about that. But he hasn't seen a fighter like Porter who is true offense and his best defense is his offense. So we don't know how he will react? how will his boxing IQ digest the fight itself and what will be his reaction. I can't decide for now and maybe pass on this fight and just watch and see if Crawford is really that good and why people regard him as the best welterweight.

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Let me be the first to vote then: I have Crawford.

Although I have criticized him for cherry picking his opponents previously, he is solid all around boxer, good IQ and very technical and can even fight going backwards, can switch from orthodox to southpaw.

That's why this is really a big test for him, but I think he can win this thru majority decision.

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Maybe pre-injury and pre-Pacquiao lost Thurman is the biggest welterweight. But after the lost to Manny he seems to be settled right now and not looking for a fight. Maybe if Crawford beats Porter here, he might call Thurman out of his 'semi-retirement' and have a fight, who knows.

That will be a good fight as in the first place, Terence Crawford really wants a piece of Keith Thurman. But before anything else, he needs to take the business first with Porter by making sure he will win on that fight which is not an easy job to do as Porter, even an underdog, have the power to take down the undefeated Spence.

Hard for me to choose who will win so can't decide on the poll. Tough against tough. There's no way we can tell who has the advantage regardless of their respective stats and achievement.

Crawford could win against Porter easily if he is quick to dodge the attack of Porter, we know that Porter does only one strategy, he relies on his power heavily and he has a solid chin so he will not easily go down, if Crawford wins, he should challenge Thurman as that is going to be a great fight where personally I don't know who would win.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 28, 2021, 06:27:39 PM

Maybe pre-injury and pre-Pacquiao lost Thurman is the biggest welterweight. But after the lost to Manny he seems to be settled right now and not looking for a fight. Maybe if Crawford beats Porter here, he might call Thurman out of his 'semi-retirement' and have a fight, who knows.

That will be a good fight as in the first place, Terence Crawford really wants a piece of Keith Thurman. But before anything else, he needs to take the business first with Porter by making sure he will win on that fight which is not an easy job to do as Porter, even an underdog, have the power to take down the undefeated Spence.

Hard for me to choose who will win so can't decide on the poll. Tough against tough. There's no way we can tell who has the advantage regardless of their respective stats and achievement.

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I've added a poll for you guys to vote, so fire on. Let's see how the voting public goes:

Crawford on his recent interview says that definitely this is his toughest fight so far in this career. But he says a Thurman fight will be bigger that this Porter.

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Terence Crawford’s scheduled showdown with Shawn Porter undoubtedly is Crawford’s highest-profile fight since he moved up to the 147-pound division 3½ years ago.

Yet even with Manny Pacquiao retired and Errol Spence Jr. recovering from a serious eye injury, Crawford doesn’t view his upcoming fight with Porter as the biggest welterweight bout available to him at the moment. Crawford considers a fight with Keith Thurman, Porter’s rival, to be bigger than his WBO 147-pound championship defense against Porter, a former IBF and WBC welterweight champ.

https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford-thurman-fight-bigger-porter-fight-thurmans-doing-whatever-hes-doing--161558

Maybe pre-injury and pre-Pacquiao lost Thurman is the biggest welterweight. But after the lost to Manny he seems to be settled right now and not looking for a fight. Maybe if Crawford beats Porter here, he might call Thurman out of his 'semi-retirement' and have a fight, who knows.

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I closely follow the career of Shawn Porter.

He was not an outstanding boxer from birth. The secret of his success is his constant training. In particular, he trains with an oxygen machine. He learns to fight with a lack of oxygen. Shawn Porter also uses resistance bands to train his punching power.

The great Russian commander Alexander Suvorov said - "It's hard to learn - easy to fight."

Shawn exhausts his body in endless workouts. In more comfortable combat conditions, Shawn Porter will tear any opponent to pieces.

Terence Crawford is also a strong boxer. However, my favorite is Shawn Porter.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 28, 2021, 08:24:44 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 08:00:04 AM

^^ But we don't know for sure if Crawford will sign for an extension with Top Rank. As far as I can remember their contract will end this month. And maybe this is the last time that we might see Crawford under the Top Rank banner. And maybe he will shift to other promotional company that will give him the fight that he wanted and of course the biggest paycheck every fight until he retires.

You might be right. And this fight is mandatory, so Crawford or at least Bob Arum can't do anything about it but to honor the mandatory. Maybe Bob Arum still doesn't want to have Crawford fighting a tougher opponent in Porter, but it is what it is.

Regarding his contract, they've been in bad taste lately, as Arum said that Crawford can't sell fight and this somewhat offended Bud. So I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to extend his contract with Top Rank.

Crawford despite being an undefeated champion does not make a lot of money in boxing, and probably because Top Rank does not give him big fights.
As per this article, his net worth is only $8 million and for me, that's too low considering he has been a boxer for years.

https://playersbio.com/terence-crawford/

He needs more marketing and that will only happen if he will have big fights, like fighting the best fighter in the world.

Mayweather despite being boring is the highest-paid boxer in the world, I mean he made his fortune in big fights and he never loses.
Here's the point, Crawford is an exciting boxer but he didn't make big money in his fights while Mayweather is only good in trash talk makes tons of money.

That's how effective marketing is especially coming from boxers, so he better learn how to trash talk to earn more.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 28, 2021, 08:02:50 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 08:00:04 AM

^^ But we don't know for sure if Crawford will sign for an extension with Top Rank. As far as I can remember their contract will end this month. And maybe this is the last time that we might see Crawford under the Top Rank banner. And maybe he will shift to other promotional company that will give him the fight that he wanted and of course the biggest paycheck every fight until he retires.

You might be right. And this fight is mandatory, so Crawford or at least Bob Arum can't do anything about it but to honor the mandatory. Maybe Bob Arum still doesn't want to have Crawford fighting a tougher opponent in Porter, but it is what it is.

Regarding his contract, they've been in bad taste lately, as Arum said that Crawford can't sell fight and this somewhat offended Bud. So I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to extend his contract with Top Rank.

Crawford despite being an undefeated champion does not make a lot of money in boxing, and probably because Top Rank does not give him big fights.
As per this article, his net worth is only $8 million and for me, that's too low considering he has been a boxer for years.

https://playersbio.com/terence-crawford/

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 08:00:04 AM

^^ But we don't know for sure if Crawford will sign for an extension with Top Rank. As far as I can remember their contract will end this month. And maybe this is the last time that we might see Crawford under the Top Rank banner. And maybe he will shift to other promotional company that will give him the fight that he wanted and of course the biggest paycheck every fight until he retires.

You might be right. And this fight is mandatory, so Crawford or at least Bob Arum can't do anything about it but to honor the mandatory. Maybe Bob Arum still doesn't want to have Crawford fighting a tougher opponent in Porter, but it is what it is.

Regarding his contract, they've been in bad taste lately, as Arum said that Crawford can't sell fight and this somewhat offended Bud. So I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to extend his contract with Top Rank.

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^^ But we don't know for sure if Crawford will sign for an extension with Top Rank. As far as I can remember their contract will end this month. And maybe this is the last time that we might see Crawford under the Top Rank banner. And maybe he will shift to other promotional company that will give him the fight that he wanted and of course the biggest paycheck every fight until he retires.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 25, 2021, 09:42:41 AM

I see your point and if that will be arranged once Crawford wins this upcoming fight and Spence is already healed and ready to fight.

The interest of fans will push this one. Arum will soon then collect more cash, just like how he did from all those promoted big boxing stars.

But before that possible bout, Crawford just needs to settle first and win against Shawn Porter.

The fans might be more interested in Porter vs Spence if the former will upset the heavy favorite Terence Crawford.

That's possible to happen even how good Terence Crawford is.

I think the same, right now the priority is that Crawford wins, there is no other way if you want to wait for the great fight against Spence, anyway this fight is a good blank for Crawford and without detracting from the work that Porter can do, everyone wants and expects the Crawford and Spence fight, it's the only thing that matters right now.
Perhaps many are planning the fight as if it were a springboard to fulfill and they are calling Crawford the winner, but we must not claim victory, in these times anything can happen, and if Crawford does not show that he is at the level, he may not come the long-awaited fight against Spence. Obviously for me the winner of this fight will be Crawford, I think I have full confidence that he will win, but it is a risk anyway.

Spence vs Crawford fight might not happen as long as Crawford still stay in Top Rank promotion, if Bob wants that fight, it could have happened before the Pacquiao vs Spence fight, both fighters are in their prime, there's no reason not to fight to prove who is the better fighter unless the interest of the promoters are served which is to preserve their undefeated record.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 25, 2021, 07:53:40 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on October 25, 2021, 09:42:41 AM

I see your point and if that will be arranged once Crawford wins this upcoming fight and Spence is already healed and ready to fight.

The interest of fans will push this one. Arum will soon then collect more cash, just like how he did from all those promoted big boxing stars.

But before that possible bout, Crawford just needs to settle first and win against Shawn Porter.

The fans might be more interested in Porter vs Spence if the former will upset the heavy favorite Terence Crawford.

That's possible to happen even how good Terence Crawford is.

I think the same, right now the priority is that Crawford wins, there is no other way if you want to wait for the great fight against Spence, anyway this fight is a good blank for Crawford and without detracting from the work that Porter can do, everyone wants and expects the Crawford and Spence fight, it's the only thing that matters right now.
Perhaps many are planning the fight as if it were a springboard to fulfill and they are calling Crawford the winner, but we must not claim victory, in these times anything can happen, and if Crawford does not show that he is at the level, he may not come the long-awaited fight against Spence. Obviously for me the winner of this fight will be Crawford, I think I have full confidence that he will win, but it is a risk anyway.

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^^ I'm not discrediting Crawford's resume, it was really superb as he takes 0 of his opponents in the past. I think the trend has been set by Top Rank and Bob Arum on Manny Pacquiao, they put a opponent in front of him that can really enhance his ability and it's the fight is all in house as they said that's why critics argues that Arum "cherry pick" Manny's Pacquiao's opponents. So they have a blue print now, and that's what they did on Crawford, that's why we have the same critics saying the same on Crawford. And this is the first time that Bud Crawford will step up that will define his legacy if he beat Porter.

Yep, smart money and smart bettors will still go for Crawford, maybe by decision or fight goes to distance.

I disagree with that, I believe that Manny Pacquiao is just exceptional, he beat a lot of champions during his career that's why he became an 8th division world champion and no one will achieve that for sure, he is a legend, we can't compare him with Crawford.

however, we can say that Manny owes his success to Bob Arum as well as he was given big fights under the promotion of Bob Arum, so I guess they are still good friends until now although they don't look like one in the media.

I'm with you mate, Terence Crawford is nowhere near the footsteps of the boxing legend Manny Pacquaio. The Filipino boxer has taught most of the famous Mexican fighters like Barrera, dela Hoya, Marquez, and Morales not to mess with him. And surely Pacquiao made a huge steps on his career just to be the only boxer who holds 8th division world championship.

Crawford is also an aspiring professional boxer who wants to carve his name in the boxing industry. But given his age, we can't compare him for a bit with Manny Pacquiao.

Crawford is still 34, he still has more fights to come while Manny has already retired from boxing.
If Crawford retires the same age with Manny, then he still has 8 years in boxing.

In terms of success, of course, no one in the active boxers now could potentially surpass what Manny has achieved, but Crawford is really good and he remain undefeated until now, so if he wins this fight, it should convince people that he can fight and beat anyone whom will be put in front of him.

To me this sounds like the fight a few years back between Klitschko and Joshua. Obviously Manny has had a great record and has many years of experience but the fact that he's been out for some time with his opponent running a few years younger too, I think puts Crawford at a massive advantage. But we'll see... nothing is determined yet

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Quote from: yazher on October 25, 2021, 11:20:20 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on October 25, 2021, 07:53:40 PM

But before that possible bout, Crawford just needs to settle first and win against Shawn Porter.
The fans might be more interested in Porter vs Spence if the former will upset the heavy favorite Terence Crawford.
That's possible to happen even how good Terence Crawford is.

That's right, Shawn Porter is the main favorite here and might get a high chance to gather lots of supporters since he have also a big chance to win this fight. By the way, this is so far the best fight next month and it will surely be the most crowded and exciting to watch. I can't wait to see a fight of this caliber where one fighter will work hard to keep his record clean against a much more power-puncher than him.

No, the odd favorite here is Terrence Crawford, but many see that Shawn Porter has a big chance to beat Crawford because of his all aggressive offensive style that Terrence hasn't seen.

But I do agree that this is one of the best fight next month, and because this is welterweight wherein there's a lot of money to be made. And as others predicted, this could go and extend to 12 full pack action rounds.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 25, 2021, 07:53:40 PM

But before that possible bout, Crawford just needs to settle first and win against Shawn Porter.
The fans might be more interested in Porter vs Spence if the former will upset the heavy favorite Terence Crawford.
That's possible to happen even how good Terence Crawford is.

That's right, Shawn Porter is the main favorite here and might get a high chance to gather lots of supporters since he have also a big chance to win this fight. By the way, this is so far the best fight next month and it will surely be the most crowded and exciting to watch. I can't wait to see a fight of this caliber where one fighter will work hard to keep his record clean against a much more power-puncher than him.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 25, 2021, 09:42:41 AM

I see your point and if that will be arranged once Crawford wins this upcoming fight and Spence is already healed and ready to fight.

The interest of fans will push this one. Arum will soon then collect more cash, just like how he did from all those promoted big boxing stars.

But before that possible bout, Crawford just needs to settle first and win against Shawn Porter.

The fans might be more interested in Porter vs Spence if the former will upset the heavy favorite Terence Crawford.

That's possible to happen even how good Terence Crawford is.

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I still count him tough, Errol Spence is still unbeaten and has the WBC and IBF belt. And unless that surgery is not successful or it didn't heal as expected then the boxing community can strike him out and be counted as champion in recess and if he will able to comeback then he could get back his belt again. Don't take Arum words, he is a promoter and obviously he wanted his cash cow Terrence Crawford to remain on the top of the welterweight division. And you can't compare Sugar Ray's injury I think it was caught when he was about on the downhill and the science that time is not that far advance as compare to today.

Arum is not Spence doctor he has no knowledge about Spence's condition and he admits it, I don't think Spence career is over we have an advance technology now to address Spence eye condition, if ever it's a big loss in the boxing community, if Spence cannot fight anymore he is on the peak of his career and it's not yet settled who is the real king in the welterweight division until now there is no official announcement of Spence condition, we should not believe on what Arum will say when it comes to Spence.

Yeah, that is my argument, Arum knows only promotions that's why he says that.

And as others have said, yes detached retina is very dangerous and could be a career threatening injury, but with far more advance testing, maybe they can re-attached it perfectly that Spence can go back fighting at if the injuries didn't happened. So don't count out Spence yet, if Crawford wins this tough match, and Spence is fully healed, then they should settle once and for all who is the best welterweight of our generation.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 25, 2021, 09:36:07 AM

And to add to that, Spence is still very young and as others said, with the advancement of sports science, that detached retina can be healed 100%.

Arum is well known for throwing words out of context, because obviously, he is a promoter you wanted to hype. So I think Spence can be back again in less than a year and could chase Crawford for the biggest welterweight fight since Pacman vs Mayweather.

Very possible to happen, Spence still young and whatever injury he has now been very possible to heal without limiting him in terms of his career. We never know what's the real score here and what's the plan behind.

I see your point and if that will be arranged once Crawford wins this upcoming fight and Spence is already healed and ready to fight.

The interest of fans will push this one. Arum will soon then collect more cash, just like how he did from all those promoted big boxing stars.

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