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July 31, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?


If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.

I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
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July 31, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
Alex is Refusing To Help Investigations .. Fuck

https://en.crimerussia.com/financialcrimes/alexander-vinnik-refuses-to-help-investigation/

Why not just pay the f**king fine and let things be back

"The US authorities are planning to impose a fine of $110 million on the BTC-e, and $12 million on Vinnik himself. In case of extradition, he faces at least 20 years in prison. "
newbie
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July 31, 2017, 06:13:13 PM
Alex is Refusing To Help Investigations .. Fuck

https://en.crimerussia.com/financialcrimes/alexander-vinnik-refuses-to-help-investigation/

Why not just pay the f**king fine and let things be back

There are criminal charges with prison time. But the good news in that article is that it seems that he is not considered as BTC-e employee.
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July 31, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
Alex is Refusing To Help Investigations .. Fuck

https://en.crimerussia.com/financialcrimes/alexander-vinnik-refuses-to-help-investigation/

Why not just pay the f**king fine and let things be back
erk
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July 31, 2017, 05:59:13 PM

That's the part I miss.
How can a company such as BTC-e, which has anonymous shell companies in the virgin islands and so on... leave hot wallets valued hundreds of millions... in US friendly servers?
I still believe that crypto assets are not in Fed hands, although this does not necessarily mean that they will return to right owners.

Exactly what I thought, where is the disaster recovery strategy?

The Feds raiding is not the only reason servers might go offline, you need a well thought out strategy to handle it.
You certainly wouldn't have wallets on hosting servers.
In case of hacking or theft, the wallet server drives would should be fully encrypted requiring a manual passphrase entry to mount them.
Private keys should only be in RAM so they are gone when a server is rebooted, and have to be imported again. It's not like they had many coins to worry about. BTC, LTC, NMC, NVC, PPC, DASH,  and ETH. That's only 7 hot wallets to import keys each reboot.

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July 31, 2017, 05:36:19 PM
Guys, please keep the topic clean. It serves an important purpose.
If you have to dump bullshit, simply open a new topic. Smiley

"To date, part of the service funds were arrested by FBI"

Probably the fiat.

hot wallets for automated trade settlement

Although... they really chose to put the hot wallets on US resident servers?

That's not clear at all. But they may have been in a country more friendly to US intervention than they thought. Ideally, the keys on such servers would be encrypted, with the database and exchange data being constantly dumped to remote servers. But it's really unclear how much of the infrastructure was left intact.

That's the part I miss.
How can a company such as BTC-e, which has anonymous shell companies in the virgin islands and so on... leave hot wallets valued hundreds of millions... in US friendly servers?
I still believe that crypto assets are not in Fed hands, although this does not necessarily mean that they will return to right owners.

Anyway:

Quote
- A popular bitcoin mixer suddenly decided to stop it service 2 days before btc-e went down
- Alexander Vinnik arrested in Greece and suspected to be the head of btc-e
- On July 27th a popular antiddos hosting service moved all their network equipment to another datacenter (probably to avoid this type of problem in the future because they also host an exchanger service almost similar to btc-e)

From the russian thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2056158

Anyone has info about point 1 and 3?
Name of the services etc?

Mixer is bitmixer.io
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
July 31, 2017, 05:36:04 PM

I don't see you have insulted your buddy deisik for long quotations. I have shorten quotation because I wanted to bring that discussion to an end and not because of your insulting comment.


yeah, I was going to PM him about it, because he isn't a Statist fuck
newbie
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July 31, 2017, 05:31:05 PM
Guys, please keep the topic clean. It serves an important purpose.
If you have to dump bullshit, simply open a new topic. Smiley

"To date, part of the service funds were arrested by FBI"

Probably the fiat.

hot wallets for automated trade settlement

Although... they really chose to put the hot wallets on US resident servers?

That's not clear at all. But they may have been in a country more friendly to US intervention than they thought. Ideally, the keys on such servers would be encrypted, with the database and exchange data being constantly dumped to remote servers. But it's really unclear how much of the infrastructure was left intact.

That's the part I miss.
How can a company such as BTC-e, which has anonymous shell companies in the virgin islands and so on... leave hot wallets valued hundreds of millions... in US friendly servers?
I still believe that crypto assets are not in Fed hands, although this does not necessarily mean that they will return to right owners.

Anyway:

Quote
- A popular bitcoin mixer suddenly decided to stop it service 2 days before btc-e went down
- Alexander Vinnik arrested in Greece and suspected to be the head of btc-e
- On July 27th a popular antiddos hosting service moved all their network equipment to another datacenter (probably to avoid this type of problem in the future because they also host an exchanger service almost similar to btc-e)

From the russian thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2056158

Anyone has info about point 1 and 3?
Name of the services etc?


 
newbie
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July 31, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?


If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
erk
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July 31, 2017, 05:28:35 PM

If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

The US gov behaves like a gigantic organized crime mob, stand over tactics and all. It's so big that the people think it's legitimate because they know no better having been brought up with it's spin. Corruption is everywhere. If the government was for the people, they would be the ones encouraging crypto and privacy, not trying to force it underground.
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July 31, 2017, 05:17:06 PM
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?


If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
legendary
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July 31, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
Oh, now you no longer talk about not enough hands

How come really? I remember that you started with claiming that no one is going to work for Btce-e because "would you be working as an employee for an exchange that there is international arrest warrant against it"? And now you seem to proceed to what you actually meant to say (but didn't say) that Btc-e is a criminal operation. But I can only tell you what I have already told, i.e. many people don't actually think of this exchange as a criminal operation, and that's why they won't have any issues with helping hands or just hiring qualified personnel. No need to distort my point (since that's what you are trying to do now)

You have said that not me. You are completely lost. You have equalized exchange work with illegal ideas, needs and wishes. On contrary I have said that BTC-e employees and owners will first think of their personal safety and their families. So be real that there are very slim chances that BTC-e will be back. That's the only reason why they have extended this waiting period for 30 days. Nothing else!

What the fuck are you talking about?

It seems like you can't meaningfully address my point and now simply try to assert some bullshit like I'm "completely lost". I don't think anyone will fall victim to your demagoguery but regardless I repeat that if outright illegal and nefarious activities attract enough people to keep these activities ticking, something which is considered as perfectly legit in the public eye will attract even more people with helping hand even if there are numerous warrants, threats, extraditions, prosecutions, and whatnot issued and performed by some rogue government like that of the US. But that doesn't in the least mean that this activity is of the same kind that I mentioned. Do you understand that? Further, whatever bad things Uncle Sam may say or assert in respect to something, that won't suffice, and still less so if it is not in fact bad at all
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July 31, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
This tread is in danger of turning into a shitposting contest. Please remain on topic gentlemen. Obviously not ladies, because ladies don't understand crypto and are probably posting endless shit selfies on facebook as we speak.
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newbie
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July 31, 2017, 05:09:56 PM
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
July 31, 2017, 05:04:10 PM
they manage to land this thing they are my go-to exchange for sure





Is this a B-17?

Judging by the tail fin, yes that's a B-17. Smiley))
But comparing the exchange with the bomber...not so great idea.
That thing came back after killing a few, same will happen with btc-e if it does.
A few will get fleeced.
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July 31, 2017, 05:03:47 PM
better


I don't see you have insulted your buddy deisik for long quotations. I have shorten quotation because I wanted to bring that discussion to an end and not because of your insulting comment.
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July 31, 2017, 05:00:53 PM
this bullshit, they arent going to refund a penny
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July 31, 2017, 04:59:17 PM
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diamond-handed zealot
July 31, 2017, 04:57:49 PM
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