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* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
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* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
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You are very delusional and you didnt read the last statement, there you go:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2056158
Topic: BTC-e hacked ?? - page 69. (Read 199718 times)
You are very delusional and you didnt read the last statement, there you go:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2056158
I am going to try to explain this to you guys in very simple terms and short sentences, in the hope that everyone understands it:
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
you are so smart person ... like your comment
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
Keep trolling, Poloniex have been licensed for years.
https://poloniex.com/press-releases/2015.05.19-Open-Letter
Financial Regulator Registration Poloniex isn't a regulated platform, but it did register with the FinCEN with MSB registration number 310000918440. Note that the latter isn't required and it wouldn't represent a "recommendation, certification of legitimacy, or endorsement of the business by any government agency".
Operating License Not regulated (see Financial Regulator Registration and Service Disruptions & Unbusinesslike Conduct)
Or
http://digiconomist.net/fraud-risk-assessment-poloniex
https://cointelegraph.com/news/license-required-poloniex-bitfinex-will-stop-operations-in-washington
Poloniex don't do fiat, hence money, until such time as US laws treat crypto as money, which will be a constitutional nightmare.
The Washington laws are the states attempt to wind up crypto exchanges altogether.
Expect other states to follow. BTC-e made the mistake/choice to take fiat so they stuck their head in the noose.
There is a war on, the US government is trying to kill crypto exchanges, but they will eventually fail because the next wave is decentralized exchanges via the lightning and other side chain nets.
In the meantime, crypto exchanges will be forced to ban trade with US citizens, thus forcing crypto underground, or take the government to court on constitutional grounds.
Should be entertaining to watch.
FBI don't have the private keys/encryption keys.....otherwise the whole thing would have played differently by now.
No.... I believe from empirical evidence, there is an attempt to re-establish and bona-fide users' interests are being protected by the operators in order to keep their own money tree intact....best answer for them. Who knows whether they are negotiating a way out of this mess with the FBI right now? Ultimately everyone has a preferred outcome and this is just business.....negotiating a future acceptable to all. Obviously various parties hold various cards.....so negotiation is the most sensible thing for all. Ultimately, btc-e want to operate an exchange, we want our money and USA want to be satisfied there is oversight. How the USA leash the zealots at the FBI depends on everyone involved coming to an equitable settlement.
No.... I believe from empirical evidence, there is an attempt to re-establish and bona-fide users' interests are being protected by the operators in order to keep their own money tree intact....best answer for them. Who knows whether they are negotiating a way out of this mess with the FBI right now? Ultimately everyone has a preferred outcome and this is just business.....negotiating a future acceptable to all. Obviously various parties hold various cards.....so negotiation is the most sensible thing for all. Ultimately, btc-e want to operate an exchange, we want our money and USA want to be satisfied there is oversight. How the USA leash the zealots at the FBI depends on everyone involved coming to an equitable settlement.
I am going to try to explain this to you guys in very simple terms and short sentences, in the hope that everyone understands it:
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
That's quite the clusterfuck right there. I read something on reddit that was from the btc-e team regarding next moves and it looked kinda promising.. can't find it at the moment but will update this post if I see it again.
You trust way too match in FBI..... all I know if they take MY crypto one day they will have to give it all back!
Yeah its mine even if its was on BTC-e
Yeah its mine even if its was on BTC-e
@locked_in
And who are YOU then, FBI himself, if so how you plan to return us our own crypto which is legal and not laundered?
And who are YOU then, FBI himself, if so how you plan to return us our own crypto which is legal and not laundered?
I am realistic person that knows how these kinds of investigations works
@locked_in
And who are YOU then, FBI himself, if so how you plan to return us our own crypto which is legal and not laundered?
And who are YOU then, FBI himself, if so how you plan to return us our own crypto which is legal and not laundered?
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
Keep trolling, Poloniex have been licensed for years.
https://poloniex.com/press-releases/2015.05.19-Open-Letter
Financial Regulator Registration Poloniex isn't a regulated platform, but it did register with the FinCEN with MSB registration number 310000918440. Note that the latter isn't required and it wouldn't represent a "recommendation, certification of legitimacy, or endorsement of the business by any government agency".
Operating License Not regulated (see Financial Regulator Registration and Service Disruptions & Unbusinesslike Conduct)
Or
http://digiconomist.net/fraud-risk-assessment-poloniex
https://cointelegraph.com/news/license-required-poloniex-bitfinex-will-stop-operations-in-washington
I am going to try to explain this to you guys in very simple terms and short sentences, in the hope that everyone understands it:
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
I just wanna ask
Where is Fitness???
Where is Fitness???
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
Yes, that's possible. They aren't properly registered in each state that they serve IIRC. But I don't think that necessarily means that they will get shut down in the same way as BTC-e. With the latter, the money laundering charge and association with Vinnik's activities seemed to greatly overshadow any emphasis on the unlicensed MSB charge. Since they both have stricter AML/KYC procedures, and because Poloniex doesn't have fiat deposit/withdrawal, I suspect it would go down very differently. I think there's a good chance in those cases that the government simply levies a hefty fine and forces them to implement new KYC procedures and/or prohibit US residents.
Polo cut off service to some States in the U.S. back in april or may
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
Yes, that's possible. They aren't properly registered in each state that they serve IIRC. But I don't think that necessarily means that they will get shut down in the same way as BTC-e. With the latter, the money laundering charge and association with Vinnik's activities seemed to greatly overshadow any emphasis on the unlicensed MSB charge. Since they both have stricter AML/KYC procedures, and because Poloniex doesn't have fiat deposit/withdrawal, I suspect it would go down very differently. I think there's a good chance in those cases that the government simply levies a hefty fine and forces them to implement new KYC procedures and/or prohibit US residents.
Even IF they reimburse us (and tbh I still see that as an "if") I think we can expect substantial losses. Probably not all funds still there, people in fiat will have lost both on BTC price rise and on BCC, and so on. We'll see how it goes, but naturally I'm happy with getting _something_ back instead of sponsoring the FBI. Let's hope for the best.
By my calculation I am owed BTC price plus BCC price at time of redemption for the BTC units on the btc-e exchange at the time it went down. The RIGHT thing to do is populate a BTC and BCC wallet owned by me for the number of BTC units I had when site went down.
Who is going to ensure the honest people with verifiable personal transactions to btc-e are not innocent victims (collateral damage is an expression that comes to mind because somehow in all wars, collateral damage is perceived to be inevitable...almost acceptable). Well...innocent victims are not acceptable collateral damage in a digital space because everything can be verified....reversed....etc.
There is no reason this cannot be sorted fairly....unless greed or laziness or both is the guiding principle of those imposing the rules.
Who is going to ensure the honest people with verifiable personal transactions to btc-e are not innocent victims (collateral damage is an expression that comes to mind because somehow in all wars, collateral damage is perceived to be inevitable...almost acceptable). Well...innocent victims are not acceptable collateral damage in a digital space because everything can be verified....reversed....etc.
There is no reason this cannot be sorted fairly....unless greed or laziness or both is the guiding principle of those imposing the rules.
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
Keep trolling, Poloniex have been licensed for years.
https://poloniex.com/press-releases/2015.05.19-Open-Letter
This is only about the 4 billion dollar theft and tracing the money through to btc-e, as well, the use of btc-e by ransomware criminals and the US government is simply chasing the criminals. Unfortunately, by servicing US citizens without having appropriate rules in place has left them (btc-e) open to further punishment beyond the 110 million $US fine. By not banning US citizens or not playing by their KYC rules, btc-e has left its liability open to confiscation punishments associated with the proceeds of crime legislation that warrants payment of double the damages......which the US government will chase from either Alex or btc-e....whichever is easier. Both probably.
The timing of the takedown is interesting with the BCC hardfork because whoever owns the bitcoin will get coins in both currencies. Those who had their bitcoin in a trading account would have had their actual bitcoin residing in a btc-e hot or cold wallet belonging to btc-e. Therefore.... when the dust settles, btc-e would own your BCC entitlement which was trading in futures markets at $900USD per BCC unit. They will keep that. The rumours of a 40% exit fee for 90 days when they come back online would also provide additional funds for subsequent US government actions.
My gripe is that these strategies are forcing current users to pay for what should be paid from their last 6 years profit. They did wrong....not we users.
The timing of the takedown is interesting with the BCC hardfork because whoever owns the bitcoin will get coins in both currencies. Those who had their bitcoin in a trading account would have had their actual bitcoin residing in a btc-e hot or cold wallet belonging to btc-e. Therefore.... when the dust settles, btc-e would own your BCC entitlement which was trading in futures markets at $900USD per BCC unit. They will keep that. The rumours of a 40% exit fee for 90 days when they come back online would also provide additional funds for subsequent US government actions.
My gripe is that these strategies are forcing current users to pay for what should be paid from their last 6 years profit. They did wrong....not we users.
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
Kraken, Poloniex and many others are registered in USA and they are unlicensed money services business.
they will be next.
This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?
If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end
That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.
I'm pretty sure the legal justification used is that they were serving US customers while acting as an unlicensed money services business. If they had (like many other exchanges) prohibited US residents --- or at least asked customers to confirm they weren't US residents and IP restrict based on region --- maybe this could have been avoided. Or not; maybe it's highly political and this is really about US and USD hegemony.
Yes US citizenship is important because nobody can get any US fiat without dealing with some USA entity, person, bank or company. If you trace any US cash back you will find that that cash was passed by someone from USA. So controlling where USA citizens can spend their US cash they have control over US cash. They just want to control the flow of their own currency, more then any other country.
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