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November 02, 2024, 12:21:00 PM
Ser, read the post again, and please get the actual context. What I said was, from the viewpoint of a normie and/or a person from the traditional banking system, Bitcoin might be considered a "Ponzi" by those people like how we Bitcoin HODLers consider shitcoins.

Plus from a another, more controversial viewpoint, Bitcoin is ACTUALLY a "Ponzi", but a sort of naturally-occurring "Ponzi" LIKE GOLD.

A Ponzi scheme? Bitcoin is far from it and should never be considered such by any reasonable person.

Being used to fiat is not a valid reason for anyone to play idiocy on a fact. Does Bitcoin pay A and deny payment to B? Or it uses the money of A to pay B etc, just like a Ponzi scheme? Certainly not. Bitcoin is a currency, but in the form of a decentralised crypto network, that's the only difference it has with fiat currencies. If the government allows it to have full rights and potential, it will help the people more than the fiat currency.


No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.
Of course, you never said it was a Ponzi scheme, that question was never directed to you but to those who thought it was a Ponzi scheme simply because they are used to the traditional and fiat systems. But your concluding path is a bit confusing and I can assure you that it will mislead a lot of people to call Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme even though you didn't mean it that way, but the way it is structured, which is the truth. Some bigots here may even attack you on that for their blind extremism. To avoid such, I advise you to say it only in the midst of wise people who will rather be objective and insightful.
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November 02, 2024, 10:31:39 AM
Yeah Bitcoin right now is higher than Gold, Gold has been in existence for thousands of years now but Bitcoin is just 16 years old but is growing very fast and I think Bitcoin should be considered when comparing the two as best investment, even though Gold has more use cases, while Bitcoin is limited to financial instruments and services only Bitcoin is still growing more than Gold and looking at these it may be very much surprising seeing that Bitcoin is doing more better however one good reason why Bitcoin will keep growing more than Gold is because Bitcoin is limited only 21 million Bitcoin was created but gold is not limited people are mining more and more gold every day.
If you give Bitcoin the next 20 to 30 years one won't be able to compare Bitcoin and hold anymore because Bitcoin would have been a way more bigger.

That's correct mate , and yeah Bitcoin is one of the best investment sofar even , those who invested and those that are yet to invest on it can still testify that Bitcoin is one of the best investment. That's why I keep saying that those that are still doubting the potential of bitcoin still now and those that are still waiting and hoping for Bitcoin to crash to $0 is their loss , because as they are waiting , others are grabbing the opportunity to be part of Bitcoin investment, because they can see the growth in bitcoin.

Hmmm Bitcoin in the next 20 years , bitcoin price would be so different (increase in price) from now . Though there's no guarantees but still hoping in bitcoin investment now , can be something you may endup been proud of the next 4-10 years and above.
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November 02, 2024, 10:15:20 AM

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
Bitcoin appears to be worth more than gold creating massive liquidity in the market. Due to the decentralized resources, the demand is increasing day by day, while the overall economy is slightly down due to the effect of inflation. I agree with you about having financial self-sovereignty and investors can have that freedom by depositing bitcoin instead of fiat currency.

Every market system can have the stigma that we observe in centralized market systems and the big whale effect in decentralized markets. possibility
Bitcoin is a hot topic these days, which has as much to do with the commodity-based money of the past as it is with the information-based money of the future. Bitcoin can be said to be equivalent to or more expensive than gold, due to its ideal decentralization and high cost of production. As demand for Bitcoin is increasing day by day, we can often consider it as digital gold. Bitcoin acts as a store of value during times of economic turmoil, and investors see it as a safe haven. In particular, we see that Bitcoin is a new economic concept, using technology that is playing a significant role in the global economy.

As we observe, Bitcoin forms a hedge against inflation. Bitcoin in particular can be seen as a safe investment against inflation.
Yeah Bitcoin right now is higher than Gold, Gold has been in existence for thousands of years now but Bitcoin is just 16 years old but is growing very fast and I think Bitcoin should be considered when comparing the two as best investment, even though Gold has more use cases, while Bitcoin is limited to financial instruments and services only Bitcoin is still growing more than Gold and looking at these it may be very much surprising seeing that Bitcoin is doing more better however one good reason why Bitcoin will keep growing more than Gold is because Bitcoin is limited only 21 million Bitcoin was created but gold is not limited people are mining more and more gold every day.
If you give Bitcoin the next 20 to 30 years one won't be able to compare Bitcoin and hold anymore because Bitcoin would have been a way more bigger.
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November 02, 2024, 09:52:34 AM
The various websites do not tend to get the number of bitcoin wrong, so they tend to be pretty close to one another, as you have shown, yet sometimes they do not calculate the BTC spot price value of your BTC holdings correctly, so sometimes it is good to manually verify.. and also sometimes we have to double check the dates, since Samlucky O's earlier version did end up having a mistake in the date, and he was saying that it was for 5 years, yet the date in the search bar and the results ended up being for 4 years rather than for 5 years.

Sometimes, the difference end up being quite great, so sometimes it is worth it to verify the results so that we might not misstate the points that we might be trying to make, whether we are engaged in historical analysis or if we might be trying to project into the future, and for sure if we are projecting into the future, we can ONLY attempt to do our best, since we don't know the actual prices in the future as we would be able to find out for the past... we also are likely to be dealing with several uncertainties in regards to our own income/expenses/discretionary income and even various factors underlying how we get to those numbers. since the facts are likely to continue to change, and sometimes in very unexpected ways... yet we still should attempt to try our best in terms of attempting to figure out most likely scenario and then various extremes on either end.. and even if we might try to prepare for both the base case scenario and the extremes at the same time, we should attempt to moderate our approach so that it becomes less and less and less likely that we end up getting reckt, even if there might be some scenarios that are more advantageous for our own situation.
These tools come handy but there is no harm in doing manual calculations to correlate the results or make sure we have 100% correct result at our disposal.
There is another tool https://hodl.camp/ that quickly gives you idea of how much profit you will earn if you HODL for a specific duration. By just moving mouse you can get details. Like I caught the following screen shot that tells if you made entry on Jan 02 2020 when Bitcoin price is $6946 and made an exit on Jan 02 2022 when bitcoin price is $47352, you HODL for 2 years and had a profit of 581% in that two years. I don't get idea about the capital with which entry was made and whether it's lump sum investment or DCA, may be you can throw some light on that.  

image from : https://hodl.camp/

Sure there is a bit of a presumption of lump sum with that hodl camp chart, since each time you look at an entry date for a supposed BTC purchase, then you are able to see how that specific purchase did with the passage of time. 

There likely is nothing wrong with having information about how purchases that we made on specific dates might play out with the passage of time, yet frequently, with the passage of time, we are likely going to end up with a variety of purchases with various costs and various amounts of BTC purchased, so the total quantity of BTC that we have is going to have various ways to assess how the totality might compare to the various individual parts (purchases) that might have taken place at various prices along the way.. and then what quantity of BTC did I choose to buy on the various dates.

There could be reasons that any of us might consider our BTC holdings in terms of a narrow number of purchases as compared with assessing our overall BTC portfolio costs and how many BTC that we have right now and what might be the value of the total of our BTC holdings in light of goals that we might have in regards to when we might consider starting to sell some of it.. or creating a plan in which we might sell certain amounts of our holdings based on current BTC prices (presumably selling on the way up rather than selling on the way down) or if we might choose to sell certain amounts of BTC based on time considerations.. so for example if we were to decide to start to sell 4% of our BTC holdings every year, then maybe we might consider that each quarter we might have a goal to sell 1% of our BTC holdings... yet we might not want to begin such selling of our BTC until we have first determined that we have enough BTC or more than enough BTC, and I doubt that our determination of whether we have enough or more than enough BTC would be based on merely our buying of certain slivers of our BTC stash on certain dates at various historical points.


I think that we can use those tools to assess where we could have been based on certain kinds of standard purchases, and so maybe we might want to compare our actual BTC price performance to various standards, or even to tell someone else, if they had been investing into bitcoin since x, y or z date with some set amount, then they would have been able to accumulate a certain quantity of BTC by today.

Yet, our actual performance is likely more important to assess rather than hypothetical performance, and surely I personally like using an Excel spreadsheet to make my own calculations, yet if some members do not have Excel, then they can still calculate their actual amounts manually... which truly, if we look at actual performance, and then we try to anticipate where our BTC holdings might be in the future, then we can also try to project out our future expected actions and to attempt to anticipate how many BTC that we might have at various points down the road, and again I find something like excel to be more powerful than projecting out these matters on paper, even though it can be done either way. 

One of the advantages of Excel is that formulas can be put in and then some of the variables can be changed and then we might be able to make comparisons fairly quickly, even though it might take a bit longer time to make some of the first charts where we might be making sure that our formulas are correct or that I calculations are correct for the various cells.. So then once we make sure our cells are correct then sometimes we can create master cells in which we might change one or two variables.. such as our anticipated BTC price appreciation rate or changes in our income (amount invested), and then we can end up being able to quickly compare different scenarios that might take quite a bit longer to calculate out on paper.

It also seems a lot easier to create a future scenario that is just continuing to add BTC, and so sure, we might have a column that shows our current balance of BTC, and then another column that shows how much dollars (or fiat) that we had put into our investment at various points in time, and so then we can see the BTC price at the various points in time to see whether our BTC holdings were in profits or in the negative at various points along the way, so then our projection of the future would still be working off the amounts that we had already achieved up until that date, which I believe is way easier to just be adding to it, yet surely some folks might consider that they are going to buy and sell BTC along the way, which would make more complicated ways of attempting to project future balances.  In terms of my own attempts at projecting future balances, I prefer to start with something like the 200-WMA as my baseline valuation (which I consider to be a bottom price), and so it could be possible to project the 200-WMA to be going up 10% to 20% to 30% per year.. as a kind of lower end scenario, and then spot price could be projected from current price  or it could be anticipated either more conservatively or more optimistically, and even right now there is a 70% variance between our current spot price of $69k-ish and the 200WMA (which is $40.5k-ish)
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November 02, 2024, 09:02:17 AM

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
Bitcoin appears to be worth more than gold creating massive liquidity in the market. Due to the decentralized resources, the demand is increasing day by day, while the overall economy is slightly down due to the effect of inflation. I agree with you about having financial self-sovereignty and investors can have that freedom by depositing bitcoin instead of fiat currency.

Every market system can have the stigma that we observe in centralized market systems and the big whale effect in decentralized markets. possibility
Bitcoin is a hot topic these days, which has as much to do with the commodity-based money of the past as it is with the information-based money of the future. Bitcoin can be said to be equivalent to or more expensive than gold, due to its ideal decentralization and high cost of production. As demand for Bitcoin is increasing day by day, we can often consider it as digital gold. Bitcoin acts as a store of value during times of economic turmoil, and investors see it as a safe haven. In particular, we see that Bitcoin is a new economic concept, using technology that is playing a significant role in the global economy.

As we observe, Bitcoin forms a hedge against inflation. Bitcoin in particular can be seen as a safe investment against inflation.
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November 02, 2024, 07:56:09 AM

That's a good tip though everyone has a point and a reason why we're DCAing. And one way to monitor or at least get more encouragement is through checking the price regularly. When it is not advisable to check the prices regularly is if we are at the bear market when you're just mostly on hold position and don't accumulate, so it pretty much don't have difference at all.

Monitoring and cheeking the price of Bitcoin regularly is a traders mindset since if you are investing for a long time purpose three is no need trying to cheek the price of Bitcoin regularly before accumulating Bitcoin and also for investors using the DCA strategy you won't have much need cheeking price of Bitcoin when you can accumulate Bitcoin either weekly or monthly regardless of it's price and continue hodling for long when the price is also at dip it will give you the opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.

Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
So what exactly happens when they keep checking and waiting for those dips to happen and it never comes? Does it mean you won't buy bitcoin? Look as a long term investor you won't make much progress with your accumulation if you rely on buying the dips alone. I don't care whatever that works for you but the right application of the bitcoin investment strategies will work for anyone. My advice is this, you can be investing little amount regularly while you are still anticipating for whatever price level you think is dip enough for you, instead of waiting without buying. You can then lump sum if eventually what you are waiting for happens. If it doesn't you will be consoled with the little purchases you have been making during the periods you have been waiting.
Those who believe in long-term investment will not really care much about the volatility of the market and they will not always wait for opportunities but they will invest in Bitcoin regularly. The biggest advantage of investing in Bitcoin on a regular basis is that if you invest in this method, you never miss an investment opportunity because there is continuity of investment on a regular basis. We have no preconceived idea about the market so when the market will go to the maximum and when the market will come to the low but none of us know so we must invest consistently so as not to regret later if we have confidence in long term investment.
The volatile nature of bitcoin, present investment opportunities to those who understand the market, its all about seizing opportunities when it arises. It allows you to identify  moments to buy more and grow your portfolio effectively.
Since you are a newbie, trying to figure out when it is best to accumulate bitcoin is not the right thing to focus on because there's no best time to buy bitcoin, and it will delay your bitcoin journey, which might make you miss out on bitcoin. Your main focus should be on the DCA strategy, which will allow you to consistently accumulate bitcoin whenever your money is ready, even if the price of bitcoin is increasing or decreasing, which will allow you to be more active in accumulating bitcoin than trying to time the market so that you could buy bitcoin at the dip, which you are not even sure will happen today or tomorrow. But if you are more concerned with buying the dip and you have a good source of income, you can divide your bitcoin accumulation money into two equal parts so that you can use one part to consistently accumulate bitcoin with the DCA strategy and use the second part to accumulate bitcoin whenever a dip happens. 
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Despite DCA'ing on regularly basis if bitcoin experience a significant dip, DCA can be adjusted or increased to buy and accumulate more bitcoin at lower price rate. Being strategic and recognising the chance volatility of Bitcoin presents can really enhance your investment while maintaining your long term investment focus.
You should understand that it is not a dip that makes investors accumulate bitcoin aggressively, but when they are sure if they accumulate bitcoin aggressively, it will not stop them from sorting out their daily expenses, which might get them off the game, partially or permanently. When buying the dip, use the money that you don't allocate to sort out your daily expenses. For instance, when you receive a bonus at your place of work, you can decide to use the money to accumulate bitcoin aggressively since the bonus money is not allocated to solve your daily expenses or to build up your emergency funds.
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November 02, 2024, 06:22:40 AM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
Bitcoin investment will determine your success in the future, and it will keep you safe from unnecessary risks and overtrading dangers.
Because Bitcoin is a long-term investment system. The consistency of profits should be measured over a long period of time, for example, month after month or year after year. A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.

We see that although many have experienced a good return by investing in Bitcoin, it is also important to remember that past performance may not guarantee future results. Since Bitcoin is volatile, investing should always be done with caution and understanding the associated risks, so we always need to keep an eye on the market mechanism.
It is important to remember that every seasoned investor started as a beginner at some point.
If an investors purpose is to accumulate Bitcoin and HODL for a longer time there is no need trying to master trading strategy since his or her investment purpose is not for a short while you can use the DCA strategy to increase your Bitcoin portfolio since it will enable you to accumulate more Bitcoin weekly or monthly.

There is high risk in trading Bitcoin as it won't give you as an investor peace of mind as will be checking the market regularly which he might decide to at lost when Bitcoin price drop due to fear that it may continue dropping but for long term investor there won't be any need to panic when Bitcoin price drop because you are investing for a longer period of time.
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November 02, 2024, 05:55:34 AM
Well thanks for the clarification I admit it was my mistake, you know sometimes using website wrongly can be misleeding. And using a calculator you are not conversant with can be confusing. I discovered that the DCA costavg.com calculate is more convenient for me. Another mistake I did was that I used 2020 as 5years ago instead of 2019. and the months should have been also the exact month five years ago. Like today is 1/11/2024 if I where to calculate 5 years ago from the calculator, it would been 1/11/2019

This where my finding from using the DCA costavg.com calculator



From the table I was able to understand that $100 investment 5 years ago 1st Nov 2019 to 1st Nov 2024 will be $26100 with a total number of 1.8407BTC accumulated. with a value of $127,717.92 of bitcoin and a Total of %389.34 ROI. At current rate of $69.384.3 btc at the time of the calculation.

And it also stated that if the $26k DCA investment where to be invested through lump sump on the 1st of Nov 2019 by now the total worth would also be BTC7.11326 worth of bitcoin amounting to $493.549  %1790Roi

Surely this calculator is more convenient for me.

Which tool suit best is a subjective thing, for you costavg.com is better while I like https://dcacryptocalculator.com/ . Both are good, as I said earlier that results of both tools usually converge.   
There might be more tools available which we can explore. It's good to have knowledge about these tools so we can check our calculations on multiple tools and that gives idea about whether we are heading in right directions. As JJG said sometimes it's better to calculate results manually and not rely solely on these tools.
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November 02, 2024, 04:50:07 AM
I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time.
What you mean is that an investor after making an investment will be ready to sell his investment if he sees a positive or negative change in the market after regularly monitoring the market. No it is not correct at all because monitoring the market regularly does not mean that he cannot prolong the investment. Investors gradually become more experienced about the market as a result of regular market observation. There are many people who constantly monitor the market while investing, the main purpose of which is to see if the price of bitcoin has decreased in the market, if the price of bitcoin decreases, they will take the opportunity to buy more bitcoins during that dip. Many also observe how much their invested portfolios grow as the value of Bitcoin increases.
The Only possibility of people to check the market can only be to know when best to buy the dip just as you have explained. but aside that, I don't see reason why someone will be checking his portfolio how it grows when you have known within your mind the total asset you have and the equivalent value in respect to the current price of bitcoin at any given time. Checking the growth of portfolio should not even be considered since it's a long term investment. It sound somewhat childish to me. For me I don't see why we keep on emphasizing on the market fluctuations when we should be awear by now that the only reason for that is taken advantage of the dip to accumulate more.

Well maybe if they are trading I maybe understand on why they do that checking of price frequently. But if they are holding there's really no point to do that since it will just bother them. They might just get affected especially if there's certain price scare will spread out. So for them want to avoid getting much issues related to price of bitcoin, better for them to lessen up those checking of price activity since for sure they can save a lot of time and away from stress.

But if they pay more attention on their strategy used and how they could able to get more money to invest with bitcoin then provably that there's more chance for them to became more successful.
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November 02, 2024, 04:49:49 AM

I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time. People who have such habit should invest in bitcoins and forget about their investment after investing and check their investment again after certain period of time. Thus hoping every investor will be successful in holding the investment in long term plan.
In fact when we are in investments we always keep a close eye on market prices but with a different purpose.
Not everyone who monitors market prices will always intend to sell the assets they have although there may be some who will think that way but until now there are a lot of people (investors) who stay with the bitcoin they have even for a long time.

I do not deny that maybe in 1 week or in a few days I also always monitor market conditions but that does not mean I want to sell what I have but it is only as a condition to get information that occurs around the market such as the reason why bitcoin rises or bitcoin crashes but there is no intention of me to sell my bitcoin as long as I do that.

It is undeniable that there will be a concern but when someone who has been here for a certain period of time must know that the increase and decrease that occurs is a common thing so that the concern does not lead to panic and continue to sell assets owned because they are aware that it is an overreaction to do.
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November 02, 2024, 04:45:19 AM
The various websites do not tend to get the number of bitcoin wrong, so they tend to be pretty close to one another, as you have shown, yet sometimes they do not calculate the BTC spot price value of your BTC holdings correctly, so sometimes it is good to manually verify.. and also sometimes we have to double check the dates, since Samlucky O's earlier version did end up having a mistake in the date, and he was saying that it was for 5 years, yet the date in the search bar and the results ended up being for 4 years rather than for 5 years.

Sometimes, the difference end up being quite great, so sometimes it is worth it to verify the results so that we might not misstate the points that we might be trying to make, whether we are engaged in historical analysis or if we might be trying to project into the future, and for sure if we are projecting into the future, we can ONLY attempt to do our best, since we don't know the actual prices in the future as we would be able to find out for the past... we also are likely to be dealing with several uncertainties in regards to our own income/expenses/discretionary income and even various factors underlying how we get to those numbers. since the facts are likely to continue to change, and sometimes in very unexpected ways... yet we still should attempt to try our best in terms of attempting to figure out most likely scenario and then various extremes on either end.. and even if we might try to prepare for both the base case scenario and the extremes at the same time, we should attempt to moderate our approach so that it becomes less and less and less likely that we end up getting reckt, even if there might be some scenarios that are more advantageous for our own situation.

These tools come handy but there is no harm in doing manual calculations to correlate the results or make sure we have 100% correct result at our disposal.
There is another tool https://hodl.camp/ that quickly gives you idea of how much profit you will earn if you HODL for a specific duration. By just moving mouse you can get details. Like I caught the following screen shot that tells if you made entry on Jan 02 2020 when Bitcoin price is $6946 and made an exit on Jan 02 2022 when bitcoin price is $47352, you HODL for 2 years and had a profit of 581% in that two years. I don't get idea about the capital with which entry was made and whether it's lump sum investment or DCA, may be you can throw some light on that.  


image from : https://hodl.camp/
 


I am combining all these tools here for future reference.
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November 02, 2024, 01:15:28 AM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
Bitcoin investment will determine your success in the future, and it will keep you safe from unnecessary risks and overtrading dangers.
Because Bitcoin is a long-term investment system. The consistency of profits should be measured over a long period of time, for example, month after month or year after year. A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.
You sound more like a trader or an investor who is not serious with his bitcoin long term accumulation journey and keep on distracting himself from taking advantage of the opportunities in the market by buying regularly every week or month to continue growing your bitcoin investment overtime for future sake.

A long term investor shouldn't think of using trading to increase his bitcoin portfolio if that is the mindset that you have, because it is not ideal and the chance of you running at loss is high to the point that you might even lose your entire bitcoin investment which will be a big discouragement for some to continue investing. Trading will only reduce your quantity of sats and in the long run, you might end p being a low coiner in the future.

You don't need to master trading as an investor because trading is very complex and takes at least two years for concrete understanding, and that will be a waste of time in a skill that the chance of running at loss is higher than making profit in the long run. A new investor that wants to start his bitcoin investment or a low coiner doesn't have to choose any right time, before investing because every moment of his life is the right time to buy right away provided he has the money. If you are talking about buying at the dip, a reserve fund is needed for that and you don't need to stop your DCA weekly buying because you want to choose the right time to buy. Rather continue with your ongoing DCA and forget about buying at the dip because buying at the dip is only for those who are prepared for it.

Choosing the right the right time, and the right trading strategies is not for a long term investor, so don't get it twisted.

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November 01, 2024, 11:28:08 PM
I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time.
What you mean is that an investor after making an investment will be ready to sell his investment if he sees a positive or negative change in the market after regularly monitoring the market. No it is not correct at all because monitoring the market regularly does not mean that he cannot prolong the investment. Investors gradually become more experienced about the market as a result of regular market observation. There are many people who constantly monitor the market while investing, the main purpose of which is to see if the price of bitcoin has decreased in the market, if the price of bitcoin decreases, they will take the opportunity to buy more bitcoins during that dip. Many also observe how much their invested portfolios grow as the value of Bitcoin increases.
The Only possibility of people to check the market can only be to know when best to buy the dip just as you have explained. but aside that, I don't see reason why someone will be checking his portfolio how it grows when you have known within your mind the total asset you have and the equivalent value in respect to the current price of bitcoin at any given time. Checking the growth of portfolio should not even be considered since it's a long term investment. It sound somewhat childish to me. For me I don't see why we keep on emphasizing on the market fluctuations when we should be awear by now that the only reason for that is taken advantage of the dip to accumulate more.
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November 01, 2024, 11:15:27 PM
I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time.
What you mean is that an investor after making an investment will be ready to sell his investment if he sees a positive or negative change in the market after regularly monitoring the market. No it is not correct at all because monitoring the market regularly does not mean that he cannot prolong the investment. Investors gradually become more experienced about the market as a result of regular market observation. There are many people who constantly monitor the market while investing, the main purpose of which is to see if the price of bitcoin has decreased in the market, if the price of bitcoin decreases, they will take the opportunity to buy more bitcoins during that dip. Many also observe how much their invested portfolios grow as the value of Bitcoin increases.
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November 01, 2024, 10:46:51 PM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time. People who have such habit should invest in bitcoins and forget about their investment after investing and check their investment again after certain period of time. Thus hoping every investor will be successful in holding the investment in long term plan.
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November 01, 2024, 07:54:34 PM
Bitcoin investment will determine your success in the future, and it will keep you safe from unnecessary risks and overtrading dangers.
Because Bitcoin is a long-term investment system. The consistency of profits should be measured over a long period of time, for example, month after month or year after year. A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.
Perhaps you may have misconceptions about bitcoin but associating it with some gambling currency is quite not acceptable for some reason which you will have to learn in your time here and in the forum generally. 

Bitcoin is a currency it doesn't guarantee you anything except if you invest in it and that doesn't even guarantee life time success so if you for any reason have shared this wrong information in your first statement that bitcoin investment will determine once future then you are absolutely leading people the wrong way. Life generally is risky, bitcoin is risky but less risky if one have to mention shitcoins along the line, the risk in bitcoin comes in with wallet and security issues but when saved in a self custodial wallet such risk has been eliminated but bitcoin doesn't save you from life general risk, it only saves you from the risk of saving fiat in your banks and inflation generally hence I would love you to be more precise and share only well informed knowledge with others.

Additionally, I put it to you asarfiar that you are absolutely wrong if you have to compare bitcoin to a sort of gambling coin or associate bitcoin investment to trading which is in other words gambling and never an investment.

In your last paragraph above you have mentioned some few things which I find to be convincing about a bitcoin investor but mastering trading strategies is not one of them, I would have love to educate you on what is right or wrong but I will leave a tag here for @JayJuanGee to educate you more on what is correct about bitcoin investors as I'm currently time limited.
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November 01, 2024, 05:20:14 PM
Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
It's the size of your bitcoin portfolio and how long you have being accumulating bitcoin, that will determine the strategy that will best be used. A new investor that just started his bitcoin journey will need to use DCA method, so that he can continue buying regularly every week with part of his discretionary income for 4-10 years and above. This will enable him have the opportunity to increase his bitcoin size slow and steady with consistent and persistent buying overtime. If you have extra funds, it's good you lump sum for rapid growth.

However, if you have reached 60% of your bitcoin target, if you adopt buying the dip method to buy good quantity of bitcoin when the price dips. You can wait for the dip and prepare for it, because waiting is no longer a waste of time since your bitcoin size will not increase that much with DCA and you will be buying when the price of bitcoin is high. If you wait and buy at the dip, you will have ths opportunity to increase your bitcoin stash significantly.
Thats not all. I think it is based on the financially level of the investor, risk management and the duration/longevity of the investment that will determine what strategy best suit their goals. A newbie with a little knowledge can practically lump sum if he has the amount, he can choose to buy on dip even if it is not advised to time the market and he may also choose to dca. We may consider lump sum as a beginner to be an aggressive approach. It all depends if the said investor has more than enough to lump sum and still have enough for his daily live.

I get your point dude and you're actually correct. just like I have said in my previous post the method or strategy to use depends on our financial status that is what we have. There are people who are into different business etc and making a lot of money but when they came to invest in Bitcoin they are seen as newbie which is normal but they have even more money than some investors that is into Bitcoin.

However, this kind of people when they want to start Bitcoin investment some of them will want to get a good figure for a start ( lump sum) before they start using the DCA method to increase their portfolio, whether newbie or not anyone is free to invest I mean use any method they feel will help their investment  but it's not just about investing, it's about how well can you manage and continue to invest because starting sometimes is always easy but maintaining becomes the challenge.
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November 01, 2024, 04:02:36 PM
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We should internalize (for our own understanding of taking responsibility for our own finances), and we only have ourselves to blame if we make mistakes, so the longer that we are in bitcoin, the more we should learn how to either not make mistakes or to make mistakes at such a level that none of the mistakes end up causing us to sell any of our BTC at a time that is not completely at our own choosing... .. and yeah, it is up to us to create situations in which make sure that our mistakes our contained within limits that are within our own tolerance, and some guys would actually consider it O.k. to sell some or all of their BTC, which I would personally find unacceptable to end up in that level of mistake.  So, we each have to figure out these matters, and hopefully get better and better and better... including hopefully making sure that we are able to increase our disposable income so we can buy more bitcoin with the passage of time.
This seems like a pretty good point sir, as it should be, the course of our investment should be well controlled with all the responsibilities that we have decided. It is true that increasing budget adjustments to be bigger sometimes makes us lose concentration on routine purchases because from the beginning sometimes the income decreases slightly and that will cause a decision that is not well coordinated with our planning.

Indeed, cash flow is a reason that makes investments fall apart if they are not adjusted properly to the budget that you want to invest. Now speaking of a principle of standing on decisions, Yes it covers all types and I think everything will be easy enough to do correctly without any coercion to increase adjustments in weekly purchases.

Generally, experience is the best teacher to step more carefully so as not to fall into the same hole. I frankly have not been able to act more aggressively in weekly purchases, I still maintain my routine with basic accumulation as I have gone through.

Sometimes one principle is associated with the additional work sector to find additional income in order to be able to buy more aggressively, but the current situation is certainly very difficult to get a side job.
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November 01, 2024, 03:20:23 PM
... yet we still should attempt to try our best in terms of attempting to figure out most likely scenario and then various extremes on either end.. and even if we might try to prepare for both the base case scenario and the extremes at the same time, we should attempt to moderate our approach so that it becomes less and less and less likely that we end up getting reckt, even if there might be some scenarios that are more advantageous for our own situation.
I like what you have said so far. While thinking about long term profits we ought to balance our optimism by cautiously safeguarding our investment towards unforeseen factors that may present themselves in the future. Its not gonna be an easy journey to all investors. Since we are in for the long term benefit we should also have in mind that its not all about the money but also how to preserve it till that period. One good way we can help preserve our Bitcoin is by having a realistic expectation and making impulsive decisions.

People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
For people who like to Buy the Dip and Hodl, I think they will not be too affected by the very volatile Bitcoin market conditions because in the end they can also be very happy when they see the Bitcoin price almost touching a new ATH level again at the end of this year. We can all imagine how happy those who are still holding Bitcoin until now who may have bought it at a lower price at the end of last year are. And I think for now there are not many people who are stressed except for people who have already released Bitcoin into the market in large quantities at a slightly lower price.
Last year December i was lucky to bought at 24k, while i was trying to convince a friend to join me but it seems to big for him then and he was waiting or a lower price. This made me came to a conclusion that anyone who is declines to start their investment with so many excuses does not really want to invest in Bitcoin. DCA has giving privilege's to those who can barely think of buying bitcoin even of they save up in 5 to 10 years. Back then i didn't know about the strategy but i was able to go in with 1k$. Not until i knew and understand how it works i started dcaing till date.
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November 01, 2024, 11:49:01 AM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
Kindly explain what you mean by RECRUITERS? Whether we like it or not there are people who keep selling part of their Bitcoin, as soon as they hit profits or probably the milestone which they hoped on. Bitcoin has been for about 15 Years and these set of investors are likely beginning to take their profits, an investment that has lasted for about 7 Years+ is due to take profits and if they like, then nothing should stop them.

DCA has made it a lot easier going through various emotions of checking prices and finding the right one to begin the purchase, at some points you might miss out purchasing at a lower position because you wanted something below what you had. Specifying a direct interval to  purchase your investment is likely to save up stress, increase the potentials of holding longer without zeal of having enough and make good use of Bitcoin volatility to get more profits.

People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
For people who like to Buy the Dip and Hodl, I think they will not be too affected by the very volatile Bitcoin market conditions because in the end they can also be very happy when they see the Bitcoin price almost touching a new ATH level again at the end of this year. We can all imagine how happy those who are still holding Bitcoin until now who may have bought it at a lower price at the end of last year are. And I think for now there are not many people who are stressed except for people who have already released Bitcoin into the market in large quantities at a slightly lower price.
The purchased DIP of that investor might turn out not to be the absolute DIP through the whole bearish season and this always be the calculation of those who prefer the DIP and Hodl, nevertheless it is also a recommended strategy that can aswell be done by those who consistently DCA, just taking advantage of the DIP and possibly looking to have a larger portfolio than only the DIP kind of investors.
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