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November 01, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.
all these concepts you've outlined doesn't really play a great part in your long term investment, they might be necessary in some instances but you just have to have basic knowledge on them and proceed to investing without necessarily being stuck with them. For instance, Finding the ideal investment strategy doesn't require much time to identify one and like it's been said over and over again, starting off with a DCA amount is a good way at the entry level and even when you've stayed long, you will still discover that buying with the DCA methord is still the best way to go. Volatility is a nature of Bitcoin so you just have to come to terms with the fact that thier will by different market conditions at different times but those are not reasons to slow down on your investment or try timing the market for best buy period. mastering the best time to buy is not something anyone can assume to have known even if they've stayed long in the Bitcoin ecosystem. The market is not one that's fixed by anybody so the best speculation might end up being false which is the reason why the DCA method helps conquer those kind of stress. Trading should be totally out of the plan as long as you're investing for the long term except you want to remain almost stagnated for a long time.

The simple and most important routine is to set up a DCA plan that incorporates a place for an emergency fund and ensure that you stay disciplined enough to follow it up to the latter. The rest of your decision will come along your investment journey.


I agree with you here. When an investor is ready to start an investment finding a suitable strategy shouldn't be difficult because it just have to suit is investment goals. It it does that should be the investment strategy he needs to know. No need waiting and surfing the internet for a better strategy. The way investment is right now i can say DCA is the only comfortable strategy to start investing in Bitcoin since it helps reduce risk and boost consistency in accumulation. Although a different investor might come out and tell you that Lump sum and buying on dips is their favorite. And we cant do anything about it because that has worked for him to achieve his investment goals. But one thing i have realize is that every investor should know when to shift to a different strategy when there current strategy is not working properly for them. There is nothing wrong with that because the main ideal vision of our investment that we rich our goals and gain our profit no matter how long we want to hold on to our investment. Meanwhile we can actually stick to one strategy only if it keeps working for us. But then you never can tell what may be the outcome of Bitcoin tomorrow or next, or even in a year time. And that whether to adapt to a new strategy would favor our investment.


No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
As for this i do not want to speak about it anymore. Bitcoin is like digital gold and they are no Ponzi scheme 
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November 01, 2024, 10:08:51 AM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
For people who like to Buy the Dip and Hodl, I think they will not be too affected by the very volatile Bitcoin market conditions because in the end they can also be very happy when they see the Bitcoin price almost touching a new ATH level again at the end of this year. We can all imagine how happy those who are still holding Bitcoin until now who may have bought it at a lower price at the end of last year are. And I think for now there are not many people who are stressed except for people who have already released Bitcoin into the market in large quantities at a slightly lower price.
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November 01, 2024, 09:57:37 AM
A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.
all these concepts you've outlined doesn't really play a great part in your long term investment, they might be necessary in some instances but you just have to have basic knowledge on them and proceed to investing without necessarily being stuck with them. For instance, Finding the ideal investment strategy doesn't require much time to identify one and like it's been said over and over again, starting off with a DCA amount is a good way at the entry level and even when you've stayed long, you will still discover that buying with the DCA methord is still the best way to go. Volatility is a nature of Bitcoin so you just have to come to terms with the fact that thier will by different market conditions at different times but those are not reasons to slow down on your investment or try timing the market for best buy period. mastering the best time to buy is not something anyone can assume to have known even if they've stayed long in the Bitcoin ecosystem. The market is not one that's fixed by anybody so the best speculation might end up being false which is the reason why the DCA method helps conquer those kind of stress. Trading should be totally out of the plan as long as you're investing for the long term except you want to remain almost stagnated for a long time.

The simple and most important routine is to set up a DCA plan that incorporates a place for an emergency fund and ensure that you stay disciplined enough to follow it up to the latter. The rest of your decision will come along your investment journey.

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November 01, 2024, 08:49:31 AM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
Bitcoin investment will determine your success in the future, and it will keep you safe from unnecessary risks and overtrading dangers.
Because Bitcoin is a long-term investment system. The consistency of profits should be measured over a long period of time, for example, month after month or year after year. A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.

We see that although many have experienced a good return by investing in Bitcoin, it is also important to remember that past performance may not guarantee future results. Since Bitcoin is volatile, investing should always be done with caution and understanding the associated risks, so we always need to keep an eye on the market mechanism.
It is important to remember that every seasoned investor started as a beginner at some point.
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November 01, 2024, 08:05:06 AM

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
Bitcoin appears to be worth more than gold creating massive liquidity in the market. Due to the decentralized resources, the demand is increasing day by day, while the overall economy is slightly down due to the effect of inflation. I agree with you about having financial self-sovereignty and investors can have that freedom by depositing bitcoin instead of fiat currency.

Every market system can have the stigma that we observe in centralized market systems and the big whale effect in decentralized markets. possibility
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November 01, 2024, 07:31:50 AM

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.
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November 01, 2024, 04:50:06 AM
Those who believe in long-term investment will not really care much about the volatility of the market and they will not always wait for opportunities but they will invest in Bitcoin regularly. The biggest advantage of investing in Bitcoin on a regular basis is that if you invest in this method, you never miss an investment opportunity because there is continuity of investment on a regular basis. We have no preconceived idea about the market so when the market will go to the maximum and when the market will come to the low but none of us know so we must invest consistently so as not to regret later if we have confidence in long term investment.

I guess the biggest advantage you can get from investing on bitcoin is you will never get worried or stressed about certain condition that can affect the price of bitcoin. Since you can get over with it and could able to continue to invest since your main plan is to accumulate then hold it. For sure price volatility would never bother or give an issue to you.

That's why this is real ideal thing to choose by bitcoin users especially to those people who seek for better investment but cannot handle those stress brought up by fast price changes of the market.

We see several people regret not to invest early, but they should eliminate those feeling since they could start over. Also for those who plan to start up better they should learn from other people experience and start to invest with bitcoin now since for sure there would be more learnings to get especially if they are eager to start then want to learn more from it.
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November 01, 2024, 04:33:02 AM

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.


Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.


I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.
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November 01, 2024, 03:44:23 AM
That's a good tip though everyone has a point and a reason why we're DCAing. And one way to monitor or at least get more encouragement is through checking the price regularly. When it is not advisable to check the prices regularly is if we are at the bear market when you're just mostly on hold position and don't accumulate, so it pretty much don't have difference at all.
Monitoring and cheeking the price of Bitcoin regularly is a traders mindset since if you are investing for a long time purpose three is no need trying to cheek the price of Bitcoin regularly before accumulating Bitcoin and also for investors using the DCA strategy you won't have much need cheeking price of Bitcoin when you can accumulate Bitcoin either weekly or monthly regardless of it's price and continue hodling for long when the price is also at dip it will give you the opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.
Sometimes checking the price is not a sign that the investor wants to sell because there are several other reasons why an investor would want to check the price. He might be employing the method of buying the dips which require the investor know when the dips happens to be able to execute the order. You will agree with me that the volatility of Bitcoin is high such that if could cover a big range within few days especially during a period of strong news release. Under this circumstance, the investor might decided to keep tab of the price so he could maximize any opportunity to get into the market, of which I do not see anything wrong here.

Monitoring the price might not always be an indication of someone that wants to sell at the sight of profits because there are more pressing factors that can make an investor sell off his Bitcoin such as not making adequate preparations for emergency funds and investing beyond budgets. These are the real factors that lead to sudden sell offs rather than checking on the price on daily or probably weekly basis.

In the WO mega thread there is the Chatbuddy that updates the price of Bitcoin regularly so anyone active in that thread will always know the price of Bitcoin regularly. Some of the participants there are the OGs who started investing Bitcoin early enough yet they still keep tab of the price not because they want to sell but just for the fun of it.
You are correct, most times the prices are monitored by the investors to target some good prices to buy bitcoin as soon as their discretionary income is available, even before their periodic purchase moment reaches, they might use the price check to monitor the progress of the market and know when its good price for them to make their purchase and try their luck to buying bitcoin for the moment at cheaper price than what might/might not be the price by the time their accumulation period reaches.

for example: someone who regularly buys bitcoin on Sundays may have checked now and seen how bitcoin price has retraced to 69k plus and decide to purchase now before it possibly climbs back to the 70k plus anytime soon and if he is not checking the price, he wouldn't have known about the price correction. Again checking the price progress might help you adequately set purchase orders at prices that would execute naturally when it cuts through them giving you the leverage to buy at the prices you want even when it cuts through those prices in your absence.
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November 01, 2024, 02:42:29 AM

That's a good tip though everyone has a point and a reason why we're DCAing. And one way to monitor or at least get more encouragement is through checking the price regularly. When it is not advisable to check the prices regularly is if we are at the bear market when you're just mostly on hold position and don't accumulate, so it pretty much don't have difference at all.

Monitoring and cheeking the price of Bitcoin regularly is a traders mindset since if you are investing for a long time purpose three is no need trying to cheek the price of Bitcoin regularly before accumulating Bitcoin and also for investors using the DCA strategy you won't have much need cheeking price of Bitcoin when you can accumulate Bitcoin either weekly or monthly regardless of it's price and continue hodling for long when the price is also at dip it will give you the opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.

Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
So what exactly happens when they keep checking and waiting for those dips to happen and it never comes? Does it mean you won't buy bitcoin? Look as a long term investor you won't make much progress with your accumulation if you rely on buying the dips alone. I don't care whatever that works for you but the right application of the bitcoin investment strategies will work for anyone. My advice is this, you can be investing little amount regularly while you are still anticipating for whatever price level you think is dip enough for you, instead of waiting without buying. You can then lump sum if eventually what you are waiting for happens. If it doesn't you will be consoled with the little purchases you have been making during the periods you have been waiting.
Those who believe in long-term investment will not really care much about the volatility of the market and they will not always wait for opportunities but they will invest in Bitcoin regularly. The biggest advantage of investing in Bitcoin on a regular basis is that if you invest in this method, you never miss an investment opportunity because there is continuity of investment on a regular basis. We have no preconceived idea about the market so when the market will go to the maximum and when the market will come to the low but none of us know so we must invest consistently so as not to regret later if we have confidence in long term investment.
Volatility can be paid attention to,  if you're planning for a strategic buy, using it to your own advantage. The volatile nature of bitcoin, present investment opportunities to those who understand the market, its all about seizing opportunities when it arises. It allows you to identify  moments to buy more and grow your portfolio effectively. No doubt that, Investing consistently on a regular basis is a solid approach, but taking advantage of market volatility especially during significant price drops can really boost your accumulation.

Despite DCA'ing on regularly basis if bitcoin experience a significant dip, DCA can be adjusted or increased to buy and accumulate more bitcoin at lower price rate. Being strategic and recognising the chance volatility of Bitcoin presents can really enhance your investment while maintaining your long term investment focus.
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November 01, 2024, 01:40:54 AM

That's a good tip though everyone has a point and a reason why we're DCAing. And one way to monitor or at least get more encouragement is through checking the price regularly. When it is not advisable to check the prices regularly is if we are at the bear market when you're just mostly on hold position and don't accumulate, so it pretty much don't have difference at all.

Monitoring and cheeking the price of Bitcoin regularly is a traders mindset since if you are investing for a long time purpose three is no need trying to cheek the price of Bitcoin regularly before accumulating Bitcoin and also for investors using the DCA strategy you won't have much need cheeking price of Bitcoin when you can accumulate Bitcoin either weekly or monthly regardless of it's price and continue hodling for long when the price is also at dip it will give you the opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.

Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
So what exactly happens when they keep checking and waiting for those dips to happen and it never comes? Does it mean you won't buy bitcoin? Look as a long term investor you won't make much progress with your accumulation if you rely on buying the dips alone. I don't care whatever that works for you but the right application of the bitcoin investment strategies will work for anyone. My advice is this, you can be investing little amount regularly while you are still anticipating for whatever price level you think is dip enough for you, instead of waiting without buying. You can then lump sum if eventually what you are waiting for happens. If it doesn't you will be consoled with the little purchases you have been making during the periods you have been waiting.
Those who believe in long-term investment will not really care much about the volatility of the market and they will not always wait for opportunities but they will invest in Bitcoin regularly. The biggest advantage of investing in Bitcoin on a regular basis is that if you invest in this method, you never miss an investment opportunity because there is continuity of investment on a regular basis. We have no preconceived idea about the market so when the market will go to the maximum and when the market will come to the low but none of us know so we must invest consistently so as not to regret later if we have confidence in long term investment.

Are Bitcoin investors still worried about volatility? Well maybe they're new into Bitcoin and are not aware that so far they keep investing on a regular basis and have the mindset of longetivity then there's no need of bothering about whether the price drops or not. it's an advantage that traders or shitcoins investors can't boost of and that's what makes Bitcoin superior to other cryptocurrencies if you're talking about investment purpose.

 Many people have made mistakes in their investment journey due to the mindset of different strategies works for different people and miss out on accumulating more bitcoin regularly cause they were busy waiting for price to drop before they purchase Bitcoin but that strategy is not very reliable cause investors would miss accumulating opportunities while waiting for price dip, the question is what if it takes longer before it dips.
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November 01, 2024, 12:32:00 AM

That's a good tip though everyone has a point and a reason why we're DCAing. And one way to monitor or at least get more encouragement is through checking the price regularly. When it is not advisable to check the prices regularly is if we are at the bear market when you're just mostly on hold position and don't accumulate, so it pretty much don't have difference at all.

Monitoring and cheeking the price of Bitcoin regularly is a traders mindset since if you are investing for a long time purpose three is no need trying to cheek the price of Bitcoin regularly before accumulating Bitcoin and also for investors using the DCA strategy you won't have much need cheeking price of Bitcoin when you can accumulate Bitcoin either weekly or monthly regardless of it's price and continue hodling for long when the price is also at dip it will give you the opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.

Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
So what exactly happens when they keep checking and waiting for those dips to happen and it never comes? Does it mean you won't buy bitcoin? Look as a long term investor you won't make much progress with your accumulation if you rely on buying the dips alone. I don't care whatever that works for you but the right application of the bitcoin investment strategies will work for anyone. My advice is this, you can be investing little amount regularly while you are still anticipating for whatever price level you think is dip enough for you, instead of waiting without buying. You can then lump sum if eventually what you are waiting for happens. If it doesn't you will be consoled with the little purchases you have been making during the periods you have been waiting.
Those who believe in long-term investment will not really care much about the volatility of the market and they will not always wait for opportunities but they will invest in Bitcoin regularly. The biggest advantage of investing in Bitcoin on a regular basis is that if you invest in this method, you never miss an investment opportunity because there is continuity of investment on a regular basis. We have no preconceived idea about the market so when the market will go to the maximum and when the market will come to the low but none of us know so we must invest consistently so as not to regret later if we have confidence in long term investment.
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October 31, 2024, 11:36:55 PM
I was not aware of https://dcacryptocalculator.com/ until Dec 2023 when JJG introduce me to that site along with another one.

... but I do use that DCAbtc.com website on a regular basis, and I have found that I have to perform some of the calculations manually in order to get the correct results.  There are some other DCA calculating websites out there too.. such as https://dcacryptocalculator.com/bitcoin  and https://costavg.com/

Well thanks for the clarification I admit it was my mistake, you know sometimes using website wrongly can be misleeding. And using a calculator you are not conversant with can be confusing. I discovered that the DCA costavg.com calculate is more convenient for me. Another mistake I did was that I used 2020 as 5years ago instead of 2019. and the months should have been also the exact month five years ago. Like today is 1/11/2024 if I where to calculate 5 years ago from the calculator, it would been 1/11/2019

This where my finding from using the DCA costavg.com calculator



From the table I was able to understand that $100 investment 5 years ago 1st Nov 2019 to 1st Nov 2024 will be $26100 with a total number of 1.8407BTC accumulated. with a value of $127,717.92 of bitcoin and a Total of %389.34 ROI. At current rate of $69.384.3 btc at the time of the calculation.

And it also stated that if the $26k DCA investment where to be invested through lump sump on the 1st of Nov 2019 by now the total worth would also be BTC7.11326 worth of bitcoin amounting to $493.549  %1790Roi

Surely this calculator is more convenient for me.


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October 31, 2024, 10:43:12 PM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.

I don't think there's much need to discuss bitcoin price watch. Leave it up to a bitcoiner how or how often to review the price. Some like to frequent the Bitcoin market and some don't. Market review for a long-term investor does not fear much loss or gain. The advantage of market analysis is that you are aware of the market or you can see all kinds of market moments, if you are consistent in investing, the market entry during buying is enough to understand the market situation, and the disadvantage is that for some people it attracts market dips which makes him consistency prevents. If you are not attracted to market dips then I think there is no harm in market review for you. Being attracted to market dips is not a cause of loss, but it may be a wrong decision for you to stop investing consistently and focus on dips.
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October 31, 2024, 08:51:16 PM
People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.
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October 31, 2024, 08:25:07 PM
Well I don't know how you came up with that figure
I didn't come up with that figure rather it's the https://dcacryptocalculator.com/ that give results of investing 100$ per week for last five years starting from Oct 30, 2019.

but I gave you the link provided by JJG some weeks ago but perhaps you chose your own website which I don't know how you get to that figure.

I was not aware of https://dcacryptocalculator.com/ until Dec 2023 when JJG introduce me to that site along with another one.
... but I do use that DCAbtc.com website on a regular basis, and I have found that I have to perform some of the calculations manually in order to get the correct results.  There are some other DCA calculating websites out there too.. such as https://dcacryptocalculator.com/bitcoin  and https://costavg.com/

I have done some R&D on these three sites and here are my findings. You can also check and post your findings whether it's correct or not.
Results from dcacryptocalculator and costavg converge and give more detail of DCA then dcabtc. For instance if you want to calculate DCA results of investing 100 dollars into Bitcoin every week for last 3 years or from Dec 25, 2020 to Dec 25, 2023 then dcacryptocalculator shows that you have ROI of +44.10% and costavg shows that you have ROI of +42% while dcabtc says you have a loss of 20%.
That confused me too, and it appears, that Samlucky O has a mistake in his link and it is ONLY going back 4 years rather than 5.. the starting date for Samlucky O shows as 9/28/2020 instead of what it should show a starting date as of 10/30/2019... so yeah, the real amount is closer to more than 1.2 BTC accumulated rather than ONLY 0.6663 BTC accumulated.
I tried all three sites for what should be number of Bitcoins accumulated if you are investing 100$ per week for last five years starting from 2019.
https://dcabtc.com/     1.21 Bitcoins

https://costavg.com/    1.22 Bitcoins

https://dcacryptocalculator.com/     1.23 Bitcoins
All three sites have consent that for your 26k$ invested in last five years, Current value of your BTC will be over 80k$. So it's a huge bonus for someone who is investing 100$ weekly for last five years.

The various websites do not tend to get the number of bitcoin wrong, so they tend to be pretty close to one another, as you have shown, yet sometimes they do not calculate the BTC spot price value of your BTC holdings correctly, so sometimes it is good to manually verify.. and also sometimes we have to double check the dates, since Samlucky O's earlier version did end up having a mistake in the date, and he was saying that it was for 5 years, yet the date in the search bar and the results ended up being for 4 years rather than for 5 years.

Sometimes, the difference end up being quite great, so sometimes it is worth it to verify the results so that we might not misstate the points that we might be trying to make, whether we are engaged in historical analysis or if we might be trying to project into the future, and for sure if we are projecting into the future, we can ONLY attempt to do our best, since we don't know the actual prices in the future as we would be able to find out for the past... we also are likely to be dealing with several uncertainties in regards to our own income/expenses/discretionary income and even various factors underlying how we get to those numbers. since the facts are likely to continue to change, and sometimes in very unexpected ways... yet we still should attempt to try our best in terms of attempting to figure out most likely scenario and then various extremes on either end.. and even if we might try to prepare for both the base case scenario and the extremes at the same time, we should attempt to moderate our approach so that it becomes less and less and less likely that we end up getting reckt, even if there might be some scenarios that are more advantageous for our own situation.

Even if we forward project out, we still could end up making mistakes and have to change our trajectory and our assumptions in order to account for changes in the facts that might allow for changes that go in either direction and perhaps sometimes in both directions.
Both ways, is it a very fatal mistake. It is very regrettable if investors who have gone through the first year's accumulation successfully and the second year becomes more messy because they want to increase the adjustment of the increase in accumulation in the second year in their investment planning. My assumption is that if an investor fails to save expenses and is not supported by increasing income, then their investment becomes more chaotic if they choose to increase the cash flow of purchases to be greater. That could make them make mistakes if the emergency fund is unable to cover the costs of expenses in the second year.

Maybe it's true sir, if it is not supported by increasing income, of course the accumulation of bitcoin does not have to be adjusted to the new plan. or he uses the initial pattern in the first year by following up in the second year, of course that's better. The reason might be to avoid mistakes if that's what has to be done. I also think if one day we lose our permanent job, maybe it's 6 months, is the plan at that time what should be done, while the adjustment of expenses increases because many costs must be considered when we lose our jobs.
On the one hand, is take short-range profits for a while the best step, while we still maintain our btc ownership.

There are a lot of differences in the kinds  of mistakes that we make, and hopefully we are not making mistakes that end up causing us to either have to sell our BTC or that we are not being sufficiently grounded in reality, so in several senses our needs to adjust our strategy on a regular basis might have to do with our learning how to get used to attempting to make realistic projections that are grounded on pieces of information that we are more likely to know, especially related to our income, employability and likelihood to be left without income, and so the more precarious our own life situation (including income and expenses and perhaps other uncertainties in our life), then the more kinds of back up funds that we likely need involving our emergency funds, reserve funds and float and the less justified we are in terms of aggressively investing into bitcoin. 

We are also in the best position to attempt to figure out whether we might want to try to get more income sources, build our job/income generating skills, figure out ways to find an income generating partner (such as spouse), or to cut various expenses (whether individual, family or business related).

The longer that we are in bitcoin, then it seems that the better we should get at making sure that we don't put ourselves in a position that we would have to sell any (or all) of our bitcoin at a time that is not completely of our own choosing, which I would suggest to be more like 10 or more years down the road rather than in our first cycle or two of accumulating (and building) our BTC holdings.

We should internalize (for our own understanding of taking responsibility for our own finances), and we only have ourselves to blame if we make mistakes, so the longer that we are in bitcoin, the more we should learn how to either not make mistakes or to make mistakes at such a level that none of the mistakes end up causing us to sell any of our BTC at a time that is not completely at our own choosing... .. and yeah, it is up to us to create situations in which make sure that our mistakes our contained within limits that are within our own tolerance, and some guys would actually consider it O.k. to sell some or all of their BTC, which I would personally find unacceptable to end up in that level of mistake.  So, we each have to figure out these matters, and hopefully get better and better and better... including hopefully making sure that we are able to increase our disposable income so we can buy more bitcoin with the passage of time.

Yet if we are not in such a situation in which our disposable income is increasing on a regular basis and into the future, then we have to make sure that we are basing our projections on actual facts rather than making up unrealistic projections of facts that have little to no chance of actually playing out... If we make unrealistic projections in regards to our own circumstances and even about knowables, then we are more and more likely to find ourselves in emergency situations because of our lack of being able to be realistic in our planning...,and we have no one to blame but ourselves for failing and/or refusing to be realistic in our projections and/or in our from time to time adjustments of our projections.

Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
It's the size of your bitcoin portfolio and how long you have being accumulating bitcoin, that will determine the strategy that will best be used. A new investor that just started his bitcoin journey will need to use DCA method, so that he can continue buying regularly every week with part of his discretionary income for 4-10 years and above. This will enable him have the opportunity to increase his bitcoin size slow and steady with consistent and persistent buying overtime. If you have extra funds, it's good you lump sum for rapid growth.

However, if you have reached 60% of your bitcoin target, if you adopt buying the dip method to buy good quantity of bitcoin when the price dips. You can wait for the dip and prepare for it, because waiting is no longer a waste of time since your bitcoin size will not increase that much with DCA and you will be buying when the price of bitcoin is high. If you wait and buy at the dip, you will have ths opportunity to increase your bitcoin stash significantly.
Thats not all. I think it is based on the financially level of the investor, risk management and the duration/longevity of the investment that will determine what strategy best suit their goals. A newbie with a little knowledge can practically lump sum if he has the amount, he can choose to buy on dip even if it is not advised to time the market and he may also choose to dca. We may consider lump sum as a beginner to be an aggressive approach. It all depends if the said investor has more than enough to lump sum and still have enough for his daily live.

A beginner either has a lump sum that can be invested or he does not.  If he has the lump sum, then he can choose how much of the lump sum to invest right away and/or whether he should allocate some of the lump sum amount towards buying on the dip and/or DCA.  Of course, if he has a regular income too, then from his income he can choose to DCA from that income, including whether he wants to hold back some of his income for buying on the dip.

No matter what, he should only be investing from his discretionary income, so within his discretionary income he can choose whether to be aggressive, whimpy or somewhere in the middle... and it seems that the less that he has for various back up funds, then he would be running risks if he chooses to be aggressive, even if he had not figured out and/or established his various back up funds (including considering how much emergency funds he already has or if he might want to build up his emergency funds more.. to at least cover 3 months of expenses).
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October 31, 2024, 06:28:15 PM
Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
It's the size of your bitcoin portfolio and how long you have being accumulating bitcoin, that will determine the strategy that will best be used. A new investor that just started his bitcoin journey will need to use DCA method, so that he can continue buying regularly every week with part of his discretionary income for 4-10 years and above. This will enable him have the opportunity to increase his bitcoin size slow and steady with consistent and persistent buying overtime. If you have extra funds, it's good you lump sum for rapid growth.

However, if you have reached 60% of your bitcoin target, if you adopt buying the dip method to buy good quantity of bitcoin when the price dips. You can wait for the dip and prepare for it, because waiting is no longer a waste of time since your bitcoin size will not increase that much with DCA and you will be buying when the price of bitcoin is high. If you wait and buy at the dip, you will have ths opportunity to increase your bitcoin stash significantly.
Thats not all. I think it is based on the financially level of the investor, risk management and the duration/longevity of the investment that will determine what strategy best suit their goals. A newbie with a little knowledge can practically lump sum if he has the amount, he can choose to buy on dip even if it is not advised to time the market and he may also choose to dca. We may consider lump sum as a beginner to be an aggressive approach. It all depends if the said investor has more than enough to lump sum and still have enough for his daily live.
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October 31, 2024, 04:12:00 PM
Even if we forward project out, we still could end up making mistakes and have to change our trajectory and our assumptions in order to account for changes in the facts that might allow for changes that go in either direction and perhaps sometimes in both directions.
Both ways, is it a very fatal mistake. It is very regrettable if investors who have gone through the first year's accumulation successfully and the second year becomes more messy because they want to increase the adjustment of the increase in accumulation in the second year in their investment planning. My assumption is that if an investor fails to save expenses and is not supported by increasing income, then their investment becomes more chaotic if they choose to increase the cash flow of purchases to be greater. That could make them make mistakes if the emergency fund is unable to cover the costs of expenses in the second year.

Maybe it's true sir, if it is not supported by increasing income, of course the accumulation of bitcoin does not have to be adjusted to the new plan. or he uses the initial pattern in the first year by following up in the second year, of course that's better. The reason might be to avoid mistakes if that's what has to be done. I also think if one day we lose our permanent job, maybe it's 6 months, is the plan at that time what should be done, while the adjustment of expenses increases because many costs must be considered when we lose our jobs.
On the one hand, is take short-range profits for a while the best step, while we still maintain our btc ownership.
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October 31, 2024, 01:34:01 PM
Investors can't take advantage of every moment that arises in Bitcoin because not every time the dip happens they will have money to buy the dips. There is no need to be worried about taking advantage of every moment that arises in bitcoin because the DCA strategy has you covered, and it will allow you to seize most of the opportunities that will arise in bitcoin. Even though you don't have enough money left to buy the dip when it happens, do not worry;
I don't agree with you because if there is a reserve fund system for investment then DCA strategy as well as investors can take advantage of dip season. Investors using the DCA strategy can take advantage of every moment in the market as they regularly buy bitcoins. By buying Bitcoins regularly, that investor can take more advantage during dips. The advantage of using the DCA strategy during the dip is that he gets a chance to accumulate more bitcoins at a lower price. Investors should invest using DCA strategy as well as reserve funds so that they can make lump sum purchases during dips in the market and fully enjoy the benefits of the dip season.


I think you have a wrong conception about the idea of the lump summing strategy, though i usually have the same view with you until I was clarified by sir jayjuanGee some time ago, the idea of the lump sum buying completely has nothing to do with price points because you are making purchase right away with the lump sum amount that is readily available for investment irrespective of the market conditions, emphasis about the lump summing strategy talks more about the investor decision to utilize the available lump sum amount to make purchases right away whether there is a dip or not.
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October 31, 2024, 01:18:00 PM
Different strategies work for different people, some use DCA, and there are those who buy during DIPs. Those who buy during dips are likely to be checking the  price of bitcoin frequently, looking for those moments when the price drops to make their purchases.
It's the size of your bitcoin portfolio and how long you have being accumulating bitcoin, that will determine the strategy that will best be used. A new investor that just started his bitcoin journey will need to use DCA method, so that he can continue buying regularly every week with part of his discretionary income for 4-10 years and above. This will enable him have the opportunity to increase his bitcoin size slow and steady with consistent and persistent buying overtime. If you have extra funds, it's good you lump sum for rapid growth.

However, if you have reached 60% of your bitcoin target, if you adopt buying the dip method to buy good quantity of bitcoin when the price dips. You can wait for the dip and prepare for it, because waiting is no longer a waste of time since your bitcoin size will not increase that much with DCA and you will be buying when the price of bitcoin is high. If you wait and buy at the dip, you will have ths opportunity to increase your bitcoin stash significantly.
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