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August 23, 2024, 06:40:44 PM
 
Free games can be gambling, but then just the demo practice session. Alot of platforms offer this to ever users account so they can test out the games made available before depositing real cash and play for real. Real games is far different from the free game. When you play free game, you tend not to be able to minimize your risk and use bigger funds to play and I don't see any fun in that. When I play with demo I just try to assume it's the real one but still these always a difference. To get more pleasure from your gambling experience just practice on the free demo games and have the real fun in the real games.
legendary
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August 23, 2024, 06:33:40 PM
If you're looking at your friend, I can assume about this discussion is that someone can feel happy and happy even if they don't use money as a bet, even if it's in a casino or the same game as in a casino, it turns out that it works quite well and I think it makes a small number of people can make themselves better and relaxed just by using the demo mode.

But for me, it doesn't work for long, maybe only for a while, because if I don't use money, I will get bored quickly doing the same thing without giving me any reward, and there is no interesting sensation of a game that can be bet on.

The thing about him is that he was never a person to go out and have fun anywhere, I think he went to clubs, his life is just studying, preparing and only going to church because he is a catechist and is very dedicated to his religion, obviously with that medical career there is no time, plus religion, well, you can say that he is a person with zero vices, with zero addictions, maybe that is why he has fun playing in demo mode, I admire him for that, I once tried to be like that, but I couldn't, it is very difficult, one is used to another rhythm of life, he behaves too well, he is a great doctor in reality, many people see him because he cures them, they have a lot of faith in him and another thing is that his memory is privileged, he is capable of remembering on which page, in which paragraph is a piece of information that he extracts.
legendary
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August 22, 2024, 12:18:09 PM
Of course not as there is no skin in the game whatsoever. From what I understand something has to be at stake in order for gambling to be called gambling. It could be anything, money, a promise for a service or whatever or otherwise it simply isn't called gambling. Some people say that it is one about being right or wrong and then call it gambling already, but if there is not at least some reputation to lose, it's not called gambling at all. It is more like a normal prediction when you give a guess for a certain outcome, but nothing material is involved.

Well I have a friend who is a doctor, he is an internist and an endocrinologist, and I recommended him to play with a casino to stop the stress he keeps, then he Tells me that he has played, but that he hasn't gambled, and he plays in demo mode, and I couldn't believe it, he tells me that he does it to be more relaxed, and I find it incredible, I don't think I'm the only person in the world who has fun like that, so if it's possible that someone can have fun and if they can use the casino for that mode , I don't see it as bad, so if it's possible.


Nobody argued it is bad especially when the person finds relaxation and doesn't waste money, but the question was whether it can be considered gambling when noting is put at risk and I argue no, it is not.

What your friend is doing is an activity that obviously helps him calm down, but it is not gambling. He could as well knit a pair of socks or a pullover and calm down and even if he stops the time as to how long it takes him to do a pair of socks, nobody would call it gambling. It's an activity that gives him pleasure and in the case of your doctor, he enjoys the pleasure of running slot machines in a demo mode or see the cards dealt in a poker game. Whatever it is, but as has been said before, in my opinion gambling does involved something to be at risk. It could be money, it could be honor, it could be reputation, it could be something else material or immaterial that is of some kind of value that the person would prefer to keep to them.

An interesting point has been made here by Hispo here

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To me, there is still some elements of gambling even if the money is worthless or fake, as wagering fake money could still activate the producticion of neurotransmitters within our brain, which could or not cause a long standing addiction, or make people move onto gambling with real money.

as he refers to the activation of neurotransmitters even when no real money is involved. I do indeed believe that it is true and that it could be measured, but it's not a substantial proof for me personally that fake money games could fulfill the definition of gambling. But that's a personal opinion and people can certainly see things differently here.
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August 22, 2024, 12:16:32 PM
Of course not as there is no skin in the game whatsoever. From what I understand something has to be at stake in order for gambling to be called gambling. It could be anything, money, a promise for a service or whatever or otherwise it simply isn't called gambling. Some people say that it is one about being right or wrong and then call it gambling already, but if there is not at least some reputation to lose, it's not called gambling at all. It is more like a normal prediction when you give a guess for a certain outcome, but nothing material is involved.

Well I have a friend who is a doctor, he is an internist and an endocrinologist, and I recommended him to play with a casino to stop the stress he keeps, then he Tells me that he has played, but that he hasn't gambled, and he plays in demo mode, and I couldn't believe it, he tells me that he does it to be more relaxed, and I find it incredible, I don't think I'm the only person in the world who has fun like that, so if it's possible that someone can have fun and if they can use the casino for that mode , I don't see it as bad, so if it's possible.


If you're looking at your friend, I can assume about this discussion is that someone can feel happy and happy even if they don't use money as a bet, even if it's in a casino or the same game as in a casino, it turns out that it works quite well and I think it makes a small number of people can make themselves better and relaxed just by using the demo mode.

But for me, it doesn't work for long, maybe only for a while, because if I don't use money, I will get bored quickly doing the same thing without giving me any reward, and there is no interesting sensation of a game that can be bet on.
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August 22, 2024, 11:57:18 AM
Of course not as there is no skin in the game whatsoever. From what I understand something has to be at stake in order for gambling to be called gambling. It could be anything, money, a promise for a service or whatever or otherwise it simply isn't called gambling. Some people say that it is one about being right or wrong and then call it gambling already, but if there is not at least some reputation to lose, it's not called gambling at all. It is more like a normal prediction when you give a guess for a certain outcome, but nothing material is involved.

Well I have a friend who is a doctor, he is an internist and an endocrinologist, and I recommended him to play with a casino to stop the stress he keeps, then he Tells me that he has played, but that he hasn't gambled, and he plays in demo mode, and I couldn't believe it, he tells me that he does it to be more relaxed, and I find it incredible, I don't think I'm the only person in the world who has fun like that, so if it's possible that someone can have fun and if they can use the casino for that mode , I don't see it as bad, so if it's possible.


If that brings him joy and entertainment - then there is nothing wrong with that, in my opinion, too Grin
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August 22, 2024, 10:57:07 AM
Of course not as there is no skin in the game whatsoever. From what I understand something has to be at stake in order for gambling to be called gambling. It could be anything, money, a promise for a service or whatever or otherwise it simply isn't called gambling. Some people say that it is one about being right or wrong and then call it gambling already, but if there is not at least some reputation to lose, it's not called gambling at all. It is more like a normal prediction when you give a guess for a certain outcome, but nothing material is involved.

Well I have a friend who is a doctor, he is an internist and an endocrinologist, and I recommended him to play with a casino to stop the stress he keeps, then he Tells me that he has played, but that he hasn't gambled, and he plays in demo mode, and I couldn't believe it, he tells me that he does it to be more relaxed, and I find it incredible, I don't think I'm the only person in the world who has fun like that, so if it's possible that someone can have fun and if they can use the casino for that mode , I don't see it as bad, so if it's possible.
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August 22, 2024, 09:05:02 AM
I am absolutely sure that free spins or poker can be considered gambling. And I know that even this type of games, where you do not need to pay real money, is addictive.
This is exactly what casinos count on when they organize free tournaments, where players earn points, and then the luckiest players get money. But this is only one of a thousand gamblers. The rest are upset and angry because they wasted their time. And it is especially offensive to those who were closest to winning results in terms of points.
Oh, that's right.
Point system for a prize in the end. It's definitely frustrating if you are near the top and it will all be wasted because you lost the last part of it where only one winner can claim the prize money, real money.
But in today's free games, they always give real money now. Sportsbet gives freebies whenever they have a promotion. Then, there's also Stake.com which gives out weekly bonuses as long as you wagered a good amount and they also have good promotions that are appealing to both sports bettor and casino players.
BK8 on the other hand has that spin a wheel which gives just enough amount to enjoy the freebies. Real cash.
legendary
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August 22, 2024, 08:23:03 AM
Many stories telling that our relationship with other friends can  be ruin because of money so we must be careful when we wants to playing gambling with our friends. But when we playing a game with our friends, that will not considers as gambling because we don't use money. But if we use other things besides money to bet, maybe that can be called as gambling so we needs to determine what we want to do and decide what is the game we want to play together with them.

Yes, you have to Understand something, at least I have many Friends who are really good people, they are the best  , you can count on them for any eventuality, but with money they are another thing , they are capable of Becoming Someone's enemy if they don't give them their money or if they lend money and don't pay them back, so it is very bad that someone for money stops being someone else's friend, for me it is not well seen, for me things S hould not be reduced to just that , there is much more than just Money there.

Yes, that's right, and as the saying goes, what can destroy a man's friendship is money and women, both of which are sensitive and can really potentially cause problems in a friendship.
Therefore, before you make a decision related to money and a friend, make sure that you are really ready for all the consequences, in the sense that for me and usually what I do from the start is I accept it if it turns out that the money I lent to my friend is not returned, because if I prolong the problem, then it is very likely that a rift will occur in the friendship.

So I think there are two choices that you can do in this situation, either you lend money without putting too much hope for it to come back or you don't lend it at all, I think that's the best choice so that the friendship can remain fine.
legendary
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August 22, 2024, 07:16:11 AM
Many stories telling that our relationship with other friends can  be ruin because of money so we must be careful when we wants to playing gambling with our friends.

Luckily I have opposite story where I used to gamble against friends/neighbors (mostly card games) for so many years but it does not ruin our relationship because we are aware that when we play against each other (money involved), the main point is not about the money but about the moment of fun and moment of togetherness.
Of course it will always depending on how mature someone is because I also know that there can be a conflict between friends when it comes to gambling especially if someone is cheating or cant pay what they should pay while gambling.

But when we playing a game with our friends, that will not considers as gambling because we don't use money. But if we use other things besides money to bet, maybe that can be called as gambling so we needs to determine what we want to do and decide what is the game we want to play together with them.

In the most simple way, when there is something valuable to be risked in the game = it can be called as gambling.
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August 21, 2024, 11:41:28 PM
addiction to free games is probably like children who are addicted to online games. all they are after is the fun of playing and they will play until they are tired. I would not consider free games as gambling. there is nothing really at stake and can produce real profits. in my mind, it is like playing on a demo account.

it would be a different case when gamblers get free spins, or bonus balances from casinos to restart betting. it would still be gambling. gambling is a bet of what we have. Even if it is free from someone's gift, or a pack of cigarettes or bread that is bet on a game, then it is gambling.
true what you said, with the current many games that can be played for free although sometimes it requires some funds to have certain features but it is not required so they can still play it with the existing features and addiction is something that can still happen even though there is nothing at stake because I have seen many children who are addicted to playing online games can even cause them to have problems with their eyesight or thinking.

get free balance at the casino is it like cashback, I occasionally get free balance but it's not much. indeed a game that can be said to be gambling is when the game is played and there is an item or thing that is bet for a guarantee when winning but if on the contrary what is done is purely without any items or things that are not bet then it is not gambling.
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August 21, 2024, 09:41:16 PM
there is nothing at stake it is not gambling, even though we do demo-based gambling it is not gambling because there is no money at stake. besides that there are several games that can be used as bets but this depends on the players like what happened to my friend where they watched a game that happened there was absolutely no element of gambling but when my friend said "how about we bet" and the related party agreed this became gambling but without a dealer, but this which was previously not risky but instead became risky for both parties.
free games are unlikely to provide rewards and for those who do it do not need to risk funds so there is no gambling in free games unless there is planning as I said above.
A demo game has nothing to do with gambling, because in that case it will be just a game, a regular computer game, which is unlikely to be able to give you the same feelings that we can get when we risk our money and can get a good profit for it. I think that it is the possibility of getting a big profit that attracts people to gambling, and I can get adrenaline even with a small bet amount. If I just sit down to play on a demo account, then for me it will be the same as when I just played computer games as a child, I will get pleasure, but these will be emotions of a completely different plan.
I agree with you, of course many people who gamble or bet are because they want a big win or reward that does exist if they are lucky enough to get it. and this is what makes a person's adrenaline and feelings spurred to gamble also who doesn't want to get a reward or profit just for free, of course everyone wants it but the mistake is sometimes they are too serious about gambling.
playing with a demo account will certainly get its own sensation even though it is not real but of course there is a point of sensation that can be felt, but for people who may be very addicted they will not do this, they may force themselves to do real gambling with money at stake and real rewards to be obtained.
but the sensation of a demo account and a real one is certainly not the same in terms of sensation, because by making a real bet it can make us carried away like most cases that have happened.
legendary
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August 21, 2024, 02:16:07 PM
Many stories telling that our relationship with other friends can  be ruin because of money so we must be careful when we wants to playing gambling with our friends. But when we playing a game with our friends, that will not considers as gambling because we don't use money. But if we use other things besides money to bet, maybe that can be called as gambling so we needs to determine what we want to do and decide what is the game we want to play together with them.

Yes, you have to Understand something, at least I have many Friends who are really good people, they are the best  , you can count on them for any eventuality, but with money they are another thing , they are capable of Becoming Someone's enemy if they don't give them their money or if they lend money and don't pay them back, so it is very bad that someone for money stops being someone else's friend, for me it is not well seen, for me things S hould not be reduced to just that , there is much more than just Money there.
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August 21, 2024, 11:00:13 AM
Addiction or not may depend more on each individual, when players can limit themselves, they may not be addicted, although the reality is that free games can certainly make players addicted to doing it again and again. Free games that don't require spending money to do them certainly mean that there is no reward that can be obtained, because there is nothing at stake in what is being done. However, addiction is something that tends to definitely exist and can happen.

It is very rare for players to get points and get money, maybe this happens to people who are really very lucky or have strong luck. In addition, not all casinos will give free bets to their players, although this may happen, but I think they will limit it.

addiction to free games is probably like children who are addicted to online games. all they are after is the fun of playing and they will play until they are tired. I would not consider free games as gambling. there is nothing really at stake and can produce real profits. in my mind, it is like playing on a demo account.

it would be a different case when gamblers get free spins, or bonus balances from casinos to restart betting. it would still be gambling. gambling is a bet of what we have. Even if it is free from someone's gift, or a pack of cigarettes or bread that is bet on a game, then it is gambling.
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August 21, 2024, 10:50:59 AM
I am absolutely sure that free spins or poker can be considered gambling. And I know that even this type of games, where you do not need to pay real money, is addictive.
This is exactly what casinos count on when they organize free tournaments, where players earn points, and then the luckiest players get money. But this is only one of a thousand gamblers. The rest are upset and angry because they wasted their time. And it is especially offensive to those who were closest to winning results in terms of points.
Addiction or not may depend more on each individual, when players can limit themselves, they may not be addicted, although the reality is that free games can certainly make players addicted to doing it again and again. Free games that don't require spending money to do them certainly mean that there is no reward that can be obtained, because there is nothing at stake in what is being done. However, addiction is something that tends to definitely exist and can happen.

It is very rare for players to get points and get money, maybe this happens to people who are really very lucky or have strong luck. In addition, not all casinos will give free bets to their players, although this may happen, but I think they will limit it.
legendary
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August 21, 2024, 10:15:34 AM
Free games usually do not have a tangible financial reward and so it cannot be  considered as gambling as even the player has got nothing at stake too, free games only rewards emotions and are used as reliefs at most times. free games are literally different from free bets, for free bets you must have been gambling with the site or the casino awhile before they will it see it as  necessary to give you a free bet which appears more like a loyalty present since you have been using their platform for awhile.

The experience is usually not the same because with one there's something at stake and with the other its different.
Not all casinos give you free bets because you've gambled with them before, there are few casinos especially the new ones will give free bets to new gamblers, so technically it's a free games with potential to earn.

It's true the experience is different, no one want to accept to lose their money, that's why some gamblers ended up being a gambling addict since they keep gambling in order to recover their losses.
Yes, most of the time newly launched sites would really be giving out those free bets and the rest when the time comes then those loyal gamblers are the ones who would really be given out with those
bonuses on which it would really be that understandable that platforms or companies would really be giving out importance into their loyal players on which it will really be just that right that they would
be that not focusing on trying to give free bets on casual basis. Just like been said by most people that bonuse and perks wont really be that too easy for you to get out or something that talks about
making withdrawal. They would really be having those kind of advantage on which there's no way that gamblers could easily get out in this case.

Free games or credits or balance or whatsoever is considered gambling literally but in the sense those things are free then it isnt really to get out or make out some cash out.
If you are someone whose really that a fan on trying out to make use of these bonuses then its not bad to consider but if you are really that trying out hard and becomes that impulsive
and make out some deposits afterwards then you had just been fooled by the casino.  Tongue
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August 21, 2024, 09:59:44 AM
I am absolutely sure that free spins or poker can be considered gambling. And I know that even this type of games, where you do not need to pay real money, is addictive.
This is exactly what casinos count on when they organize free tournaments, where players earn points, and then the luckiest players get money. But this is only one of a thousand gamblers. The rest are upset and angry because they wasted their time. And it is especially offensive to those who were closest to winning results in terms of points.
legendary
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August 21, 2024, 08:57:38 AM
Free games usually do not have a tangible financial reward and so it cannot be  considered as gambling as even the player has got nothing at stake too, free games only rewards emotions and are used as reliefs at most times. free games are literally different from free bets, for free bets you must have been gambling with the site or the casino awhile before they will it see it as  necessary to give you a free bet which appears more like a loyalty present since you have been using their platform for awhile.

The experience is usually not the same because with one there's something at stake and with the other its different.
Not all casinos give you free bets because you've gambled with them before, there are few casinos especially the new ones will give free bets to new gamblers, so technically it's a free games with potential to earn.

It's true the experience is different, no one want to accept to lose their money, that's why some gamblers ended up being a gambling addict since they keep gambling in order to recover their losses.
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August 21, 2024, 08:41:48 AM
Sincerely, when money is involved, when a risk is taken with the intentions of winning something at the end and also the possibility of loosing entirely at the end of a game exercise if it turns the other way against your predictions, only then can I call it gambling. What really makes the difference is the STAKE.  When there is no Staking, that is nothing involved at the end, I see it as just catching fun or better still trying to master the tactics and the dynamics of the particular game you are playing. There is this excitement, feeling and commitment to gambling because you are directly involved in risk. The risk of loosing, sometimes, one even go as far as saying silent prayers in silence just to come our Victorious, but those prayers can't really judge the matter. So when money is involved that's when it can be called gambling. But if it's a free game, without expecting anything monetary value at the end wether you got your predictions rightly or not, then it's not gambling. You are simply just catching fun, mastering a game of having a trial which teaches you how you can play the game.
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August 21, 2024, 08:25:58 AM
For you to gamble you have to flip funds, taking a risk with money is what makes it gambling, I really don't see free games as gambling because you are no risks involved. I don't know if there are people winning from free games, personally I haven't benefitted from it, free games were not designed to favour gamblers. Nothing about gambling is free, for you to receive free bets you must have deposited a certain amount of money. It doesn't matter if the games are free or not I experience the same excitement cause I do it for fun
Free games usually do not have a tangible financial reward and so it cannot be  considered as gambling as even the player has got nothing at stake too, free games only rewards emotions and are used as reliefs at most times. free games are literally different from free bets, for free bets you must have been gambling with the site or the casino awhile before they will it see it as  necessary to give you a free bet which appears more like a loyalty present since you have been using their platform for awhile.

The experience is usually not the same because with one there's something at stake and with the other its different.
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August 21, 2024, 08:13:54 AM
there is nothing at stake it is not gambling, even though we do demo-based gambling it is not gambling because there is no money at stake. besides that there are several games that can be used as bets but this depends on the players like what happened to my friend where they watched a game that happened there was absolutely no element of gambling but when my friend said "how about we bet" and the related party agreed this became gambling but without a dealer, but this which was previously not risky but instead became risky for both parties.
free games are unlikely to provide rewards and for those who do it do not need to risk funds so there is no gambling in free games unless there is planning as I said above.
A demo game has nothing to do with gambling, because in that case it will be just a game, a regular computer game, which is unlikely to be able to give you the same feelings that we can get when we risk our money and can get a good profit for it. I think that it is the possibility of getting a big profit that attracts people to gambling, and I can get adrenaline even with a small bet amount. If I just sit down to play on a demo account, then for me it will be the same as when I just played computer games as a child, I will get pleasure, but these will be emotions of a completely different plan.
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