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Quote from: Franctoshi on August 20, 2024, 06:27:40 PM

It's no longer gambling in this regard, when there's no money involved, here now you're just playing games and playing for fun not real gambling, There's no real emotions that is attached compared to when bet your money because you know you are risking zero and in a very bigger advantage, Therefore whether you win or lose, you lose nothing, what makes it become gambling is when there is real money placed.

Yes, something that must be made as a focal point is the object at stake, and if there is no real valuable item that is used as something that is at stake then I would agree with you that it cannot be called gambling. Or maybe I would also say that an activity or game that does not involve anything as an object that is at stake is nothing more than a regular game that will only waste time.

Another thing is like you said that there is no real emotion involved because there is no worry about any unwanted possibilities such as losing. The point I think is very simple that if there is nothing at stake in the sense that a gambler is not faced with both possibilities between winning or losing something real then it is not gambling even in the demo version of the online game.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

I think you can, because many games can be considered gambling, even if you don't lose your money there. But first and foremost, for me, it's a light dopamine rush that brings a lot of pleasure. Unfortunately, later it becomes a habit and free play can stop being fun.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on August 20, 2024, 06:27:40 PM

It's no longer gambling in this regard, when there's no money involved, here now you're just playing games and playing for fun not real gambling, There's no real emotions that is attached compared to when bet your money because you know you are risking zero and in a very bigger advantage, Therefore whether you win or lose, you lose nothing, what makes it become gambling is when there is real money placed.

I think emotions would be still there, but they can't be compared with real gambling in fact, you are right Grin

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there is nothing at stake it is not gambling, even though we do demo-based gambling it is not gambling because there is no money at stake. besides that there are several games that can be used as bets but this depends on the players like what happened to my friend where they watched a game that happened there was absolutely no element of gambling but when my friend said "how about we bet" and the related party agreed this became gambling but without a dealer, but this which was previously not risky but instead became risky for both parties.
free games are unlikely to provide rewards and for those who do it do not need to risk funds so there is no gambling in free games unless there is planning as I said above.

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Quote from: Orpichukwu on August 20, 2024, 05:52:51 PM

Gambling involves risking a particular amount of money, an asset, or anything else in exchange for the fun that you are deriving from the game, and in return, you also expect to make a little win from the game, making you either happier when you win, not just because you won the game, but because you also make some profit, or vice versa when you also lose a game.

I agree to the first part of your statement that if the game involves money then it is gambling. Rest there are so many computer games which we cannot classify as gambling because there is no money and no financial risk involved in them.

However, we cannot classify the games based on emotions. We just cannot say that the games that make us happy is gambling because we win some money. Even people are happy winning Arcade and other computer games without involving money. Also, I have seen people getting sad about losing a game to a computer or from any other person even though they have to spend or lose no money.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

But then, not all are in search of this kind of a high. To some, free play is more than enough because they get to have fun with the game and not have pressure tied to the outcome. In the end, whether free play is gambling or not depends on what you consider gambling. If you look at gambling as any activity that involves staking money, then free play is not meeting that criterion. But if you look at gambling as an activity that brings about a specific thrill or causes specific emotions to be triggered, then free play can be considered a part of that, although on a different level.

Either way, both have their place. Free play lets us enjoy the game without any stakes, and paid play can provide a richer experience where the stakes make it more exciting. So both can be attractive in their own ways, depending on what one wants from a game.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

Perhaps...
My concept of Gambling is for any and all games in which the person does not have the power to influence the result with any of their skills, that is... it depends only on luck.
That's why I also don't consider sports gambling to be a game of chance, but just a bet.

Gambling games include bingo, slot machines, dice games, roulette games, some card games (never poker or similar), electronic games, among others that do not depend on skill or strategy on the part of the player.

Gambling existed before anyone thought about making a profit from it, the only thing that has changed is that nowadays no one plays anymore without using real money.

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It's no longer gambling in this regard, when there's no money involved, here now you're just playing games and playing for fun not real gambling, There's no real emotions that is attached compared to when bet your money because you know you are risking zero and in a very bigger advantage, Therefore whether you win or lose, you lose nothing, what makes it become gambling is when there is real money placed.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on August 17, 2024, 11:56:31 PM

Actually free games can never give us as much excitement and ambition as we can get by betting with money. People who bet with real money, thus having the chance to lose or gain, which increases the level of tension, have an intention that they will either not lose money or gain now. As a result, they can enjoy it in a great way, which can never be enjoyed from free games.

But for those who are not used to gambling much, it is possible to experience the same excitement and joy in playing free games, if the structure and challenges of the game are exciting.

Free online games are not considered gambling because they do not require players to place real money bets and do not offer monetary winnings. Gambling involves two basic elements: financial risk versus the possibility of winning financial or physical prizes. In free games, players are playing for entertainment purposes only, with no real risk to their money or potential for financial gain. Even if these games have gambling-like elements, such as cards or roulette, they are still not classified as gambling because they lack the real financial element. So, the main difference is the absence of financial risk and monetary winnings, making free games just entertainment free of the financial risks that come with traditional gambling.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

Any form of game that you are playing and you don't spend any penny in the game and you also don't expect to win anything from the game in return aside from the fun you get by participating in that game is not gambling; it's just a mere computer game that you are playing.

Gambling involves risking a particular amount of money, an asset, or anything else in exchange for the fun that you are deriving from the game, and in return, you also expect to make a little win from the game, making you either happier when you win, not just because you won the game, but because you also make some profit, or vice versa when you also lose a game.

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on August 20, 2024, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on August 18, 2024, 08:52:43 PM

As far as it has to do with gambling, nothing is free because there is always something to be staked to make it gambling and just with the case you listed on op, let’s just say we receive some free spin on casino games, there is no way you would have to use the spins without having to deposit and the free soon are some ways of attracting you to deposit and play more games.
I think for a game to be classified as gambling, there must have to be something at stake and there must have to be a winner and a loser and oj a situation where there is nothing staked, then is not right to still tag such a game gambling.

Getting free spin can still be classified as gambling because if you lose the game, you have lost your free spin. You might not have lost any money because you did not deposit money in the casino but you are losing the time that you spent playing the games. Casinos do free spin promotion to advertise the casino and if you did not deposit money after testing the free spin, there are some people that are going to deposit and they lose their money when playing therefore the casino got results for the advertisment or promoting that they are doing. For anything to be gambling, there has to be the presence or the risk of money or any other thing that is valuable to you to be lost. Some games are free because they do not have any attachments of something you must do to redeem.

These offers are given to make the gambler for more motivation. Free spins are also part of the bet where a gambler gets money if he wins and if loses the spin loss. Since spins also have the chance to win big if they are missed or lost then the gambler loses so this kind of free gambling can definitely be termed as gambling. In general I would consider all offers involving casino platform as gambling. There is also a reason that a casino platform never offers a bonus if no deposit is made. We cannot refer to bets that do not directly or indirectly involve money as bets. As there are many people who place bets on their face where winning or losing is important but there is no mention of money, I cannot refer to those types of bets as real bets.

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on August 20, 2024, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on August 18, 2024, 08:52:43 PM

As far as it has to do with gambling, nothing is free because there is always something to be staked to make it gambling and just with the case you listed on op, let’s just say we receive some free spin on casino games, there is no way you would have to use the spins without having to deposit and the free soon are some ways of attracting you to deposit and play more games.
I think for a game to be classified as gambling, there must have to be something at stake and there must have to be a winner and a loser and oj a situation where there is nothing staked, then is not right to still tag such a game gambling.

Getting free spin can still be classified as gambling because if you lose the game, you have lost your free spin. You might not have lost any money because you did not deposit money in the casino but you are losing the time that you spent playing the games. Casinos do free spin promotion to advertise the casino and if you did not deposit money after testing the free spin, there are some people that are going to deposit and they lose their money when playing therefore the casino got results for the advertisment or promoting that they are doing. For anything to be gambling, there has to be the presence or the risk of money or any other thing that is valuable to you to be lost. Some games are free because they do not have any attachments of something you must do to redeem.

I don’t think you actually considered the wagering requirements for bonuses in casinos because if you did, then you’ll understand that, for one to claim most of these casino bonuses, if not all would always require you to make deposit for been able to play with the bonuses and as such, I don’t think a game without money shouldn’t be classified as gambling because there was nothing to loss and for gambling to be completed, then there must be some amount willing to be risked and staked.

@su-asa, I agree with you that, there just be an amount at risk to be able to tag a game as gambling but answering to your question if there are people who win from free bets, yes there are people who win incredible amounts from free bets and some also hit the jackpot with free bet but trust me, these cases are extremely rare.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

For you to gamble you have to flip funds, taking a risk with money is what makes it gambling, I really don't see free games as gambling because you are no risks involved. I don't know if there are people winning from free games, personally I haven't benefitted from it, free games were not designed to favour gamblers. Nothing about gambling is free, for you to receive free bets you must have deposited a certain amount of money. It doesn't matter if the games are free or not I experience the same excitement cause I do it for fun

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on August 20, 2024, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on August 18, 2024, 08:52:43 PM

As far as it has to do with gambling, nothing is free because there is always something to be staked to make it gambling and just with the case you listed on op, let’s just say we receive some free spin on casino games, there is no way you would have to use the spins without having to deposit and the free soon are some ways of attracting you to deposit and play more games.
I think for a game to be classified as gambling, there must have to be something at stake and there must have to be a winner and a loser and oj a situation where there is nothing staked, then is not right to still tag such a game gambling.

Getting free spin can still be classified as gambling because if you lose the game, you have lost your free spin. You might not have lost any money because you did not deposit money in the casino but you are losing the time that you spent playing the games. Casinos do free spin promotion to advertise the casino and if you did not deposit money after testing the free spin, there are some people that are going to deposit and they lose their money when playing therefore the casino got results for the advertisment or promoting that they are doing. For anything to be gambling, there has to be the presence or the risk of money or any other thing that is valuable to you to be lost. Some games are free because they do not have any attachments of something you must do to redeem.

If you are someone who do really loves on trying out to get those free spins or any promotional things been doing by gambling platforms then it is also a way that you could be able to play without risking something
specially money of course on which it is really that understandable. The only thing that you wont be able to maximize the experience considering that these free spins and bonuses are really just that small
plus it would really be having those wagering requirements on which you could really say that they wont really be that letting you easily making up some withdrawal and this is why it would really be better that you shouldnt really be that making yourself expecting too much or being positive with these free spins but if you are really just that minding about having fun without risks then this one would really be the way.

Speaking about free games then it would be considered not gambling all the time and it would really be something categorized basing up on the amount involved or having none at all.
It would really be that understandable that each person would really be having their different approach on things.

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Quote from: Obari on August 18, 2024, 08:52:43 PM

As far as it has to do with gambling, nothing is free because there is always something to be staked to make it gambling and just with the case you listed on op, let’s just say we receive some free spin on casino games, there is no way you would have to use the spins without having to deposit and the free soon are some ways of attracting you to deposit and play more games.
I think for a game to be classified as gambling, there must have to be something at stake and there must have to be a winner and a loser and oj a situation where there is nothing staked, then is not right to still tag such a game gambling.

Getting free spin can still be classified as gambling because if you lose the game, you have lost your free spin. You might not have lost any money because you did not deposit money in the casino but you are losing the time that you spent playing the games. Casinos do free spin promotion to advertise the casino and if you did not deposit money after testing the free spin, there are some people that are going to deposit and they lose their money when playing therefore the casino got results for the advertisment or promoting that they are doing. For anything to be gambling, there has to be the presence or the risk of money or any other thing that is valuable to you to be lost. Some games are free because they do not have any attachments of something you must do to redeem.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

The excitement differs from real world gambling, since money has an involvement here I don't think that emotions still remains the same. Free games was just nothing as to compare with those you really need to top up with specific amount. The fire is there when you're about to take that very huge change to do so, and yet getting lucky winnings could be your potential profit or gains as well.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

I also had some interesting thoughts on this topic, so here is one of them about what if poker players started playing not for money, but first played for years just for fun. I think that is what raised my level to a very high level, although it takes a lot of time and an experienced coach. The important point is that bets and playing for money knock down the main essence and meaning of the game, they seem to cloud our minds and we cannot think about anything else except money, how much we can win or lose. And it is important to concentrate on the game itself, even professionals will say the same, because they are first completely immersed in the game, and then in money and everything else.

Good you made mention of a coach. It'll only take a mentor to be disciplined. Self-discipline is difficult to achieve. Humans work better when someone else directs and disciplines their behaviors. Currently, a lot of gamblers don't have a coach. They started out alone. If gamblers had a real coach who helped to strengthen their self-control, money may not have clouded their gambling perspectives.

Actually you dont need anyone for you to become that independent when it comes to self decisions because you could really be actually do things on your own and without other peoples intervention.
It is really just that there are really individuals who are really that making themselves being controlled or being mandated on what other people been saying or suggesting.
If you are really that someone whose really that strong willed and having that kind of independent mindset then you wont really be finding yourself on being having that difficulty when
it comes into making decisions on your own. Speaking about free games could be gambling? From the word alone gambling then you are risking something, then if its free and risks free then
its not really gambling at all as simple as that.

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I do not consider or consider free games to be part of gambling because gambling is done intentionally by betting something like the general definition of gambling.
Yes. It can. Free games can excite me to play when I am bored without money that I can play like the gambling that I like.
On average, I play free games when the conditions I described and to pass the time in the midst of boredom hit me like now which is just sitting in front of the computer.

What about these games, but with friends? Desktop Monopoly, for example, such a fun time killer Grin

Go ahead. There is no prohibition if the type of game you mean can be a free game that can keep you and your friends entertained and fun while you play.
I will not spend hours with a free game if I am in a state of having no money. At least I will switch to reading and learning something new from browsing in the browser after finishing playing a free game.

Yep, it's everybody's choice how to entertain themselves. Of course, some stable source of income is needed.

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Newbies who don't dare to bet money at first try to play with imaginary money and many of them end up depositing and betting. Beginners practice playing cards and at home they practice playing cards without betting. But you will want to bet with money whenever you learn. But you can never bet on any gambling site for free. But in special case many sites can give you as demo but there you will win again and again. This is controlled by the community members of that site because they want to make you greedy.

Gambling that is done as a demo is a great way to gain experience in gambling. However, I think new gamblers almost always put their money at risk due to small mistakes. Never get excited while gambling and what Don't be too greedy. We often lose gambling due to excessive greed and lose all the money and go into depression so we should stay away from them.

I think there will be only a few people who would prefer to engage in the type of demo game where they are people who fully make entertainment as the main goal, or just those who do not make money a priority, but of course I would say that demo games are much better to do when you can't afford to lose any amount of money in real games.

That means it doesn't really matter if you want to engage in the type of real game by betting money, as long as you have a good risk-taking ability, and also as long as you understand or realize that gambling is an activity about winning and losing in the sense that losing is a natural part of the game. Because with that I am sure that it is unlikely for you to make some unnecessary mistakes such as in terms of putting the amount of money or getting caught up in greed, the point and the most important thing is to have the ability to accept the consequences of the decisions you have made at the beginning, it will not make you depressed.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

I also had some interesting thoughts on this topic, so here is one of them about what if poker players started playing not for money, but first played for years just for fun. I think that is what raised my level to a very high level, although it takes a lot of time and an experienced coach. The important point is that bets and playing for money knock down the main essence and meaning of the game, they seem to cloud our minds and we cannot think about anything else except money, how much we can win or lose. And it is important to concentrate on the game itself, even professionals will say the same, because they are first completely immersed in the game, and then in money and everything else.

Good you made mention of a coach. It'll only take a mentor to be disciplined. Self-discipline is difficult to achieve. Humans work better when someone else directs and disciplines their behaviors. Currently, a lot of gamblers don't have a coach. They started out alone. If gamblers had a real coach who helped to strengthen their self-control, money may not have clouded their gambling perspectives.

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