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Quote from: bakasabo on August 18, 2024, 05:39:52 AM

I consider free games as gambling as well. Such games still have all the elements of gambling, and money can be replaced by challenging of getting a highest score. People similar can be addicted to free gambling games as to money based gambling games. People still try to get maximum virtual money as possible. That is just humans nature to want to get more, bigger, better.

If you look up the definition for gambling, I think no matter how you twist it, it does require a stake of some sort. Money is one thing here but you could as well use your car or a watch, but if nothing of value is involved, how could it fulfill the definition of gambling?

Even if you take this definition "take risky action in the hope of a desired result", it doesn't mention the word money here, but there is a risk and a desired result. If you predict an outcome but there is zero at stake, what's the risk then? If there is absolutely nothing at stake, it makes semantically no sense to call something a gamble. As I said before, it could even be your reputation. Let's assume you run a channel that predicts weather and you are totally off, then you would still have something very important at stake. Assume you predict the weather for a Sunday in two weeks from now and if you are right, new users will consider following you. If you are wrong, you may lose followers. That's when money is not involved as a direct means, but as a mid or long term consequence of your predictions being right or wrong.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

- Maybe that depends on the mindset of a casino gambler and how he defines a casino. If they can play free games that are always casino games, the logic is that it will still remain a free game, so even if they win big coins in free games, it still won't be real money.

It seems that the satisfaction is only with ourselves if we enjoyed those free games. But if there are free games with real money that we can win in those games, it will be interesting for gambling players. That's why I've never seen a casino like that.

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on August 18, 2024, 05:55:50 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on August 18, 2024, 05:39:52 AM

I consider free games as gambling as well. Such games still have all the elements of gambling, and money can be replaced by challenging of getting a highest score. People similar can be addicted to free gambling games as to money based gambling games. People still try to get maximum virtual money as possible. That is just humans nature to want to get more, bigger, better.

Depending on what is at stake free games can be gambling because when there is no money at stake, there are other things just as you have said. When gamblers are not concerned about what effect a free game can have on them, they let their guard down and might get addicted to playing. There are some mobile games in my phone that I discovered I was getting addicted to and it is virtual money that I can not use for anything but I always play the game anytime that I do not have any other things to do. How I knew I was getting addicted is because I would rather play the game then to do things that can give me money. I have gone passed the addiction as I had to delete the gaming app from my phone but it just goes to show how an individual can be addicted to free games too.

Yes but I think it is clear that if we talk about the risks then addiction to free games is much better than addiction to real gambling, because of course there is nothing you bet on in free games and maybe you just lose time, while when we talk about real gambling then it is clear as we often experience that losing money is a certainty.

On the other hand, maybe I will also admit that I am also quite addicted to some types of games on my cellphone but they are not paid, there is no serious risk other than losing time and feeling disappointed when the game is not on our side, although there is no real victory and defeat that I experience but still for the problem of disappointment it is something that is very possible and quite natural for someone to feel, and maybe another risk is when we are unable to control the desire to always play the game then maybe it is very possible to affect other activities that we have, such as playing at the wrong time.

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I am not interested in gambling but what comes to my mind is till date I have not seen any gambling section or platform where they allow free gambling. Maybe from your experience but I don't know. However, there are some gambling sites that offer different offers, such as creating a new account and getting a free spin or 1time bet for free. Which I was seeing before these offers. But what I want to say is that it is best not to gamble because if a person gambles, he is. Can't be addicted. This should always be remembered.

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Newbies who don't dare to bet money at first try to play with imaginary money and many of them end up depositing and betting. Beginners practice playing cards and at home they practice playing cards without betting. But you will want to bet with money whenever you learn. But you can never bet on any gambling site for free. But in special case many sites can give you as demo but there you will win again and again. This is controlled by the community members of that site because they want to make you greedy.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

Free Games If payment is made after winning a bet then it is definitely gambling and if free games are offered only for entertainment then it is not considered as gambling.
Many times free spins are offered on various gambling sites and gambling authorities organize such free games to attract users. Since gambling sites promote such free games, it must be given to users as a bonus, and if such games are offered, it must be considered as gambling.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 06, 2024, 10:05:09 PM

Yesterday I played free card games on the computer and had a lot of fun and it was also quite exciting. You know, I play different games: both paid and free. And sometimes, based on the fascination and the pleasure I get, I find it difficult to say which games captivate me more. But I would be interested in how you answer the question of whether free games can be considered gambling. Another way to put this is: can gambling be free? Do free games excite you as much as games that involve betting money?

Well nowadays the casinos are struggling to get new customers as the RTP has changed lately,so their focus in order to attract new customers is to offer a couple of free games every day or every week.These type of free games are like free roll poker tournaments which are very entertaining and full of emotions as I play some of them every day when I have time.This is done from casinos in order to attract new customers but from this can benefit also people who don't want to gamble anymore and find such games very amusing and of course with the option to win quite some decent amounts of money if they happen to win in these type of free rolls tournaments.

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Free casino games are never termed gambling. These are the freebies that are offered by the casinos to try their platform before using any real money. Now when you risk your real and hard-earned money to win some extra money, this can be called gambling. Most of the time, these free games are provided by the casino to attract more users to the casinos. Hence, this is not gambling at all. Instead, this is a smart advertising technique, and you are the victim of it.

We should not be making the mistake of free and paid betting and I must say that I've read many people saying the same thing as you. Just opening your phone to play the normal free game with nothing attached to it or playing a direct video game in your closet is what I know is not gambling. But trying a casino's platform out with free bets like demo practice on their platform is gambling, expect that you will still not part ways with anything valuable even if you lose.

What many people do not know is that they are actually wagering by that act (virtually), and what do you call that? But the mistake they make that often makes them believe it's not gambling is that the money is not coming directly from the pocket, all the same, they are betting on the platform, are they not?

Games are of different types, and classes and as a matter of truth, whenever you play a game and you do not stake your money on selecting who should win and at what odds, you are not gambling then, what makes it gambling is when you risk your money in the wager process, playing video games on either my phone or on my computer I don't see that as gambling, but only when if you are playing against other players and also staking an amount against each other, at that ooinyot has turned to Gambling.
We have some really exciting free video games that are all free and just for entertainments, although there is nouch difference between them and the real gambling games that we play on casinos, the only difference at times may be the staking of money.

It is valid if it is limited to the cope of your discussion but it is more when you view it through what I initially replied to. Of course, if you are playing a free game like Card games, Ludo, Video games etc without any conditions that require money, it's of course free and you are not obliged to pay back anyone if you lose and anyone is not obliged to pay you if they lose, so it's not gambling. But think of it, a casino gives you bonus money because you are newly registered on their platform, what do you call that if you are wagering that money on betting? You are gambling. The same goes for the mere testing of their platforms if the money is free. It's not until it is your real money that you call it gambling, once you commit money to it (virtual or real), you are gambling. The only difference is that you might not be able to withdraw the virtual money depending on the TS&Cs at which you are playing it, but it doesn't stop the fact that you are still betting.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on August 17, 2024, 11:56:31 PM

Actually free games can never give us as much excitement and ambition as we can get by betting with money. People who bet with real money, thus having the chance to lose or gain, which increases the level of tension, have an intention that they will either not lose money or gain now. As a result, they can enjoy it in a great way, which can never be enjoyed from free games.

But for those who are not used to gambling much, it is possible to experience the same excitement and joy in playing free games, if the structure and challenges of the game are exciting.

Actually, it all comes back to each person's point of view, the definition of enjoyment obtained from free or paid games will vary, from what you said when a gambler plays with real bets in the sense of involving money, that's where the challenge is and the dopamine levels produced are much higher. because the real problem is the word win and lose, will we be able to accept the defeat produced in the final session of the game. and can we be happy with the results. some people who are ambitious and consider gambling as an income will actually do the opposite if it involves money and loses, most likely there is no enjoyment produced,

different from games that do not involve money or are free, there is no challenge but enjoyment can definitely be obtained but there must be a negative side that is produced, such as wasted time and addiction that can occur. the conclusion is both paid games in the sense of real gambling or those that do not involve money at all, we must be wiser in both games, behind the positive side there is a negative side.

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 18, 2024, 05:39:52 AM

I consider free games as gambling as well. Such games still have all the elements of gambling, and money can be replaced by challenging of getting a highest score. People similar can be addicted to free gambling games as to money based gambling games. People still try to get maximum virtual money as possible. That is just humans nature to want to get more, bigger, better.

Depending on what is at stake free games can be gambling because when there is no money at stake, there are other things just as you have said. When gamblers are not concerned about what effect a free game can have on them, they let their guard down and might get addicted to playing. There are some mobile games in my phone that I discovered I was getting addicted to and it is virtual money that I can not use for anything but I always play the game anytime that I do not have any other things to do. How I knew I was getting addicted is because I would rather play the game then to do things that can give me money. I have gone passed the addiction as I had to delete the gaming app from my phone but it just goes to show how an individual can be addicted to free games too.

That is (maybe) because you see gambling as a money source. You are interested in gambling only because of money. But if you were extremely rich, and money were not an object of your interest, you would gladly play any gambling game with free money instead. I think you would not care how you get emotions, feel risk, test your luck. But in the end it will be the same gambling. Suppose you like to spin slots and catch rare combinations. Now you gamble (or not) because you want to win money. But if you are not interested in money, you would still gamble.

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 18, 2024, 05:39:52 AM

I consider free games as gambling as well. Such games still have all the elements of gambling, and money can be replaced by challenging of getting a highest score. People similar can be addicted to free gambling games as to money based gambling games. People still try to get maximum virtual money as possible. That is just humans nature to want to get more, bigger, better.

Depending on what is at stake free games can be gambling because when there is no money at stake, there are other things just as you have said. When gamblers are not concerned about what effect a free game can have on them, they let their guard down and might get addicted to playing. There are some mobile games in my phone that I discovered I was getting addicted to and it is virtual money that I can not use for anything but I always play the game anytime that I do not have any other things to do. How I knew I was getting addicted is because I would rather play the game then to do things that can give me money. I have gone passed the addiction as I had to delete the gaming app from my phone but it just goes to show how an individual can be addicted to free games too.

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I consider free games as gambling as well. Such games still have all the elements of gambling, and money can be replaced by challenging of getting a highest score. People similar can be addicted to free gambling games as to money based gambling games. People still try to get maximum virtual money as possible. That is just humans nature to want to get more, bigger, better.

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Quote from: GigaBit on August 17, 2024, 06:11:17 PM

We often such bets are made with friends for some reason where no money is involved but the bet is still placed and there is a win or a loss. By placing such bet one does not suffer financially as a result of which one does not have to get cost due to loss. But if there is no change in money or wealth in the bet, the interest in the bet is almost certain not to be the same as that of a real gambler. To be accepted as gambling, there must be an exchange of money, otherwise it is not gambling. Although there is no direct meaning here, it can be through something else. But I think having money as a perfect bet is undesirable. A free game like this can be fun to play with friends but I can't bet on that.

It is better to bet like that so we don't have to see financial lose. Besides that, we can enjoy our time with our friends and we can have fun together with them especially if we rare to meet our friends. Sometimes, playing a game like that can eradicate a boring time or stress because we can spends our time with enjoying the games. Although there is no winner or loser in that game, that will be okay for us because we can use our time properly with them.

That moment will be memorable someday because we spend our time together by playing a game without using money so we don't have to playing gambling. Sometimes, we need a situation like that whereas we can have fun without thinks about the lose and the win and we only wants to enjoy our spare time with them.

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We have some really exciting free video games that are all free and just for entertainments, although there is nouch difference between them and the real gambling games that we play on casinos, the only difference at times may be the staking of money.

Those free games are enjoyable but they're not truly fun at all when there's no money at stake.

That's why if someone is there to literally gamble for fun at all, then the free games should be the main choice.

At the same time, they save money so that they won't be putting themselves at risk.

free games are fun, even though there are no bets made, addiction can still occur and in my opinion, there are currently many young people in society who are addicted to free games even though it does not make them earn money or experience financial losses. but losses from other things can occur when they are addicted to free games where they will play the game more often which certainly makes them lazy to do other things.

free games that do not involve money are indeed one of the things that can be done, but not entirely good, occasionally maybe when they play free games and have the thought of doing it with bets because of the interest that makes them want to do it which can make them addicted to gambling. it all depends on each person's mindset because when they play games with bets but if their mindset is wise then they will not be addicted, and with free games that do not involve money or other things at stake it is not gambling.

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Actually free games can never give us as much excitement and ambition as we can get by betting with money. People who bet with real money, thus having the chance to lose or gain, which increases the level of tension, have an intention that they will either not lose money or gain now. As a result, they can enjoy it in a great way, which can never be enjoyed from free games.

But for those who are not used to gambling much, it is possible to experience the same excitement and joy in playing free games, if the structure and challenges of the game are exciting.

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Quote from: jossiel on August 17, 2024, 06:38:49 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 17, 2024, 05:55:43 PM

We have some really exciting free video games that are all free and just for entertainments, although there is nouch difference between them and the real gambling games that we play on casinos, the only difference at times may be the staking of money.

Those free games are enjoyable but they're not truly fun at all when there's no money at stake.

That's why if someone is there to literally gamble for fun at all, then the free games should be the main choice.

At the same time, they save money so that they won't be putting themselves at risk.

If you are gambler then it is clear that only games with betting money in them will be the most interesting and fun, we will definitely only think that some free games will never be able to provide satisfaction.

But I agree with that if only want fun without any risk then free games without risking any money are the right choice, there is no impact that can be felt about some of the final results of free games.
It just that not all gamblers will do it because in free games can't necessarily find some of the games in gambling, maybe only few games like cards.
Basically every gambler has their own favorite game.

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Quote from: jossiel on August 17, 2024, 06:38:49 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 17, 2024, 05:55:43 PM

We have some really exciting free video games that are all free and just for entertainments, although there is nouch difference between them and the real gambling games that we play on casinos, the only difference at times may be the staking of money.

Those free games are enjoyable but they're not truly fun at all when there's no money at stake.

That's why if someone is there to literally gamble for fun at all, then the free games should be the main choice.

At the same time, they save money so that they won't be putting themselves at risk.

Enjoyable for short time, but we immediately get bored especially if we think there's nothing to achieve playing those free games. But if there's money involve in the discussion and huge prize is at stake for lucky winners then provably that attract people to play more since they will be triggered more to play since they have target to reach.

But free games doesn't offer anything. That's why people choose to use small amounts since even if they don't get much there's thrill factor since there's still money involve on the games they are currently involve.

Free games is not gambling and it will be called like that if there's money used to place their bet and there's reward to be taken if they win, I guess that part make people feels like to use small amounts rather than wasting their time on total free games.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 17, 2024, 05:55:43 PM

We have some really exciting free video games that are all free and just for entertainments, although there is nouch difference between them and the real gambling games that we play on casinos, the only difference at times may be the staking of money.

Those free games are enjoyable but they're not truly fun at all when there's no money at stake.

That's why if someone is there to literally gamble for fun at all, then the free games should be the main choice.

At the same time, they save money so that they won't be putting themselves at risk.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 17, 2024, 08:29:47 AM

Sorry but I will have to disagree with you on the part that both gambling and free games are addictive, myself being someone who have played free game for several years over the years, and also have gambled, I can categorically tell you that free games are not addictive as you claim, game where you stake nothing, that is, you have no chance of losing anything, and you also have no chance of winning or getting anything as a reward if you win, such games can only be addictive but for a very short while, infact, I won't refer to such as being addicted to the since it's something that usually fades away quickly on its own, and once that hunger fades away, you discover that playing that game becomes so so boring.

Video games are addictive. Haven't you heard of young video gamers who pee in empty bottles because they're too glued to the game not to use the restroom? Money is not the primary reason why gamblers get addicted. Humans easily get addicted to watching screens. I nearly got addicted to an online chess game that required me to wager nothing.

Addiction works with time and dopamine, money is secondary. The more time a person spends playing video games, he feels good and could get addicted. As a teenager, I skipped my sleeping hours playing GTA San Andreas. What other sign would you need to be convinced about gaming disorder?

Check this article: https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/treatment/teenage-video-game-addiction/

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I think the best of all is when you play with friends for free, without having to bet money, as I have said on some occasions, if we play with friends, with some Beers , and with a barbecue, wow that is the best, that our wives are there too, so as not to have problems getting home late, lol, it is better to take those precautions, and while they are there they can also prepare some food for us and entertain themselves talking, that is what it is about, and talking, telling stories about things that have happened, all that is good, it is enjoying it to the fullest.

We can play a game with our friends without using money so we can enjoy the moments with our friends and having fun with them. We can prevents any bad situation with them because we realize that money can attract more problem if we can not be wise treating money. We can hurt other friends when we playing gambling with them especially if any of us wants to win and gets the money.

We often such bets are made with friends for some reason where no money is involved but the bet is still placed and there is a win or a loss. By placing such bet one does not suffer financially as a result of which one does not have to get cost due to loss. But if there is no change in money or wealth in the bet, the interest in the bet is almost certain not to be the same as that of a real gambler. To be accepted as gambling, there must be an exchange of money, otherwise it is not gambling. Although there is no direct meaning here, it can be through something else. But I think having money as a perfect bet is undesirable. A free game like this can be fun to play with friends but I can't bet on that.

Of course not as there is no skin in the game whatsoever. From what I understand something has to be at stake in order for gambling to be called gambling. It could be anything, money, a promise for a service or whatever or otherwise it simply isn't called gambling. Some people say that it is one about being right or wrong and then call it gambling already, but if there is not at least some reputation to lose, it's not called gambling at all. It is more like a normal prediction when you give a guess for a certain outcome, but nothing material is involved.

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