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Quote from: Wall-ET on November 27, 2017, 02:57:54 AM

So you want to tell me that all casino owners are the luckiest people on the planet, as they allays win!
You are sooo wrong.. you say "gambling is pure luck" then "use your brain"...
What you mean? That you can use your brain to be lucky?!?!?

All games of chance are 100% pure math, so casino owners are using math in order to win 100% guarantee.
There is no luck in this.
If you know what math is and how to use it, then it will help you, if you don't => nothing will help you.

They are not luckiest players in planet, they are not even players, they are casino owners and math is working - for them. They have house edge on their side, they have advantage over players. But this is not point of this topic. We are not discussing "can math help casino owners" read topic again, read article if you haven't done it already.
Math won't help you to win in game with negative expected value because it is game with bloody negative expected value.

Quote from: Hhampuz on December 06, 2017, 02:34:56 AM

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I'll have to strongly disagree with you and would like to tell you that it all depends on what kind of gambling you are doing. Playing slots - fine, there's no strategies you can apply and you are relying on luck to get profits but other games like card games, mainly poker, or sports betting does require you to think and calculate. Poker is basically all about maths as you predict over a long streak of hands the chances of your hand beating his hand etc. So by saying all gambling is pure luck is just wrong.

Poker is game of skills(proven 88% skills and 10% luck) and good money management, that's why lots players are making a living of it, sports betting does have house edge and it is ev- game, i know at least hundred bettors, thinking they are professional sport bettors, looking all day at odds, calculating everything and yet they are in negative profit. But still, when they win they all always say the same- "did I tell you? You didn't listen to me you could have won". Of course, there are certain people who are so damn good in prediction that they really can make living out of it but they are just very rare, also there are people who made living out of gambling because they are super lucky but they are also very rare.

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Since i'm not very fund of maths i can't really use it or deploy my mathematical mind in anything except for calculating how much will the groceries cost me . So i can't really use that in my favor while gambling . And i think that whenever someone uses it , he can be considered as cheating .

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Quote from: Parodium on November 30, 2017, 04:15:41 AM

If the type of gambling you're getting into is matched betting or Poker, then of course math can help you win. You can calculate the odds of certain hands appearing, calculate your value bets etc.

Poker may sound more like it but trust me mate, you are still calculating odds and as long as you keep doing that, everything still centers on your luck. Mathematics can only help to a certain extent, but to a full extent, luck is still the main backbone of every gamble. Most times, I do ask myself, if all of you on the poker table are good at math, what then happens ?

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Quote from: m1c0 on November 27, 2017, 03:36:50 PM

of course maths can help in gambling, I would never gamble on something that has a very bad return on investment, for example 10% chance to win 5x is super bad. Thats why I love sports betting and poker because you can avoid bad deals

sports betting has higher risks involved all the double odds have less chance of wiining most
of the time and when you are betting low the reward is really less plus you are in risk of losing
all your funds sports betting are for people who are completely sure

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Quote from: Ebenezer559 on December 02, 2017, 06:56:59 AM

LUCK can be on your side not maths

As luck plays a key role in gambling not the math because gambling totally revolves around luck. This we can prove from the fact that not every gambler who is good in math wins every game, also the players who are more experienced but very weak in math win in more ratio because there experience to tackle situations is more. Math can help a gambler to avoid taking wrong decisions but here also experience has more priority than math.

Exactly I do agree with your words, gambling is mainly based on luck so how come maths plays a role in playing gambling. Maths can be helpful for trading, maths nothing to do with gambling. Gamblers never think of about maths, only traders are in line with maths

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Quote from: katinko on December 04, 2017, 01:39:51 AM

I do not think math will helps you to win in gambling because all of this are base on the luck of every players even you are more experienced gambler you can not take that as advantage to the players having great luck in gambling even they are only new in gambling.

Why? Playing gambling need some strategies. Knowledge about math is also strategy that you can use when playing gambling. In order for you to win sometimes you need to use strategies.

I didn’t agree with your statement that math is related to strategies. If it’s true then the people having little or no knowledge of math can never ever win because they are unable to make strategies.

Strategies are something related to how sharp your mind is and how easily you pick up things happening around you and if you have great sense of vision then it will be easier for you to make strategies than those have knowledge of math.

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Quote from: Ebenezer559 on December 02, 2017, 06:56:59 AM

LUCK can be on your side not maths

As luck plays a key role in gambling not the math because gambling totally revolves around luck. This we can prove from the fact that not every gambler who is good in math wins every game, also the players who are more experienced but very weak in math win in more ratio because there experience to tackle situations is more. Math can help a gambler to avoid taking wrong decisions but here also experience has more priority than math.

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Quote from: moooonu on December 03, 2017, 10:07:36 AM

Math can help you to stand a chance against the house. Math can make you last a little longer but in the end we all know that its house who wins. No matter what or how big mathematician you are. Probability always favor the house.

Yep! If you are going into land based casinos, then definitely you are unable to win the age without the courtesy of the house. The results are usually preplanned and even same complaints have been seen against online gambling games.

No matter what type of gambling you play, the one who is always in profit is the house. This is the reason why I hate gambling because no matter how good you are at mathematics, it is not going to help you.

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Quote from: badgalmae on November 23, 2017, 04:56:32 AM

I think it helps with roulette a bit. Of course it depends on luck but I'm talking only about the "help". Also I think if you are a math person you have better options of being a good poker player.

Well it really boils down to what game you're going to use math on. It certainly won't help you on games that's purely luck reliant like dice and slots. Aside from calculating the money you're going to burn of course.

Yes gambling is far from calculating and math is not an option when we play gambling. Gambling games rely solely on luck and that is a matter of course. If you see anyone saying that he can win the gambling with the help of mathematical calculations then it is a lie !! do not believe and use your mind!

So you want to tell me that all casino owners are the luckiest people on the planet, as they allays win!
You are sooo wrong.. you say "gambling is pure luck" then "use your brain"...
What you mean? That you can use your brain to be lucky?!?!?

All games of chance are 100% pure math, so casino owners are using math in order to win 100% guarantee.
There is no luck in this.
If you know what math is and how to use it, then it will help you, if you don't => nothing will help you.

If math’s is that great that it can tell future with hundred percent accuracy then why you don’t just gamble and win every bet. This way you will become the world's richest person in no time, believe me.

As far as the owners of the casino or gambling websites are concerned, they are the owner which means they can win all the games they play as that is their yard. They are the king of that Empire. However I don't think they gamble and nothing can predict luck or future.

Lol, At least there is someone who understands that mathematics has to do nothing with winning gambling bet or losing it. Gambling is the game which is totally dependent on your luck. This is the only reason there are not as such experts of gambling.

No one can ever tell you how to win the bet, they will simply give you some suggestions about leaving the game when you have some good profit. Gambling is the only game which has no strategies.

I'll have to strongly disagree with you and would like to tell you that it all depends on what kind of gambling you are doing. Playing slots - fine, there's no strategies you can apply and you are relying on luck to get profits but other games like card games, mainly poker, or sports betting does require you to think and calculate. Poker is basically all about maths as you predict over a long streak of hands the chances of your hand beating his hand etc. So by saying all gambling is pure luck is just wrong.

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Quote from: barbara44 on December 01, 2017, 01:07:16 AM

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Quote from: badgalmae on November 23, 2017, 04:56:32 AM

I think it helps with roulette a bit. Of course it depends on luck but I'm talking only about the "help". Also I think if you are a math person you have better options of being a good poker player.

Well it really boils down to what game you're going to use math on. It certainly won't help you on games that's purely luck reliant like dice and slots. Aside from calculating the money you're going to burn of course.

Yes gambling is far from calculating and math is not an option when we play gambling. Gambling games rely solely on luck and that is a matter of course. If you see anyone saying that he can win the gambling with the help of mathematical calculations then it is a lie !! do not believe and use your mind!

So you want to tell me that all casino owners are the luckiest people on the planet, as they allays win!
You are sooo wrong.. you say "gambling is pure luck" then "use your brain"...
What you mean? That you can use your brain to be lucky?!?!?

All games of chance are 100% pure math, so casino owners are using math in order to win 100% guarantee.
There is no luck in this.
If you know what math is and how to use it, then it will help you, if you don't => nothing will help you.

If math’s is that great that it can tell future with hundred percent accuracy then why you don’t just gamble and win every bet. This way you will become the world's richest person in no time, believe me.

As far as the owners of the casino or gambling websites are concerned, they are the owner which means they can win all the games they play as that is their yard. They are the king of that Empire. However I don't think they gamble and nothing can predict luck or future.

Lol, At least there is someone who understands that mathematics has to do nothing with winning gambling bet or losing it. Gambling is the game which is totally dependent on your luck. This is the only reason there are not as such experts of gambling.

No one can ever tell you how to win the bet, they will simply give you some suggestions about leaving the game when you have some good profit. Gambling is the only game which has no strategies.

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I have never seen an equation or solving problem in any gambling game so that is impossible. Gambling games picks randomly so there are no patterns because if there is then math can possibly help you to win.

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On a physical roulette game mathematics and other related analyzation can help you win games but I don't think it will have the same effect on virtual casinos, what I mean about that is on a virtual roulette game your game is actually generated based on online algorithms which is different on a real life roulette game. Your analysis and related maths might be different for both even if they are the same roulette games.

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Quote from: BusyBeaverHP on December 05, 2017, 08:51:40 AM

Yes that is right that all games do not require mathematics, but still some gambling are there where mathematics is too much important and where without mathemmatics we cannot play gambling in a good way.

Not all of them but if you are good in Math there can be an effect to the way you think. It will make you think faster and reliable and when it comes to decisions you'll be at the best way to solve it. Like when we are solving Mathematical problems our minds are working well for sometime and not that good in other times, well it will help but not all the times but it's also good if you are good at it.

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on November 29, 2017, 09:12:27 AM

At least with math you can see the odds how much you win the game , will it be worth or not etc.
But yeaa i don't know if there is a certain technical way to do math to make you have higher chance to win.
For me Those people who knows well about math might stay away from gambling just like what einstein said about to win a game on roulette always impossible .

We can only know the odds but we know that even with maths we cant win the game. So for me it is just to troublesome to figure things out with math. It is better to just let everything flow in accordance to what the thing is. We cant win in gambling and we need to be aware of that. That is why it is better to forget everything and just play for fun

Yeaa that's my point , people looking for some excuse to win the game.
The outcome will remain unpredictable and random however , so math isn't an answer to make you win but if you think by knowing your chance by do the math as a helpful one then be my guest.
Playing like nothing to lose always better way to gamble , but hard to make it stay like that all the time.

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Quote from: Mamasmurf19 on December 04, 2017, 07:36:44 AM

In a real casino math is to calculate your bankroll and winning chance- but still you stand no chance against a good dealer regarding the roulette. I have seen guys landing the ball in desired zone of the wheel...But that is different story. Online casinos are different. I conducted an experiment regarding the roulette. 35 low rolls on a fresh account with no bet history, and then I bet on all the numbers which didn't come out in those 35 rolls - 11 in total. I got a hit. Next roll- I got a hit as well. So I continued the system until there were 4 numbers left and I stopped. My longest loosing streak was 4 rolls. Lucky? Beginners luck. Random generator is supposed to generate random numbers within 0- 36 (speaking of roulette), and it will generate 98% of those numbers in 100 rolls. If you have empty roll history.... The more you play the more complicated the things become. In the long run you gonna lose...

Yes that is right that all games do not require mathematics, but still some gambling are there where mathematics is too much important and where without mathemmatics we cannot play gambling in a good way.

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Quote from: mariah.sadio on December 04, 2017, 09:37:08 AM

I don't think math helps us to win in gambling. Gambling is just pure luck. Math is helpful in terms of investments but in gambling, it does not help.

But i think that in some gambling games it is too much important that you must have some good calculation so as to play gambling in a good way.

Yup in some cards games the professionals will play calculated games. They can make the calculation and move the card but how and what is that calculations I don't know. I think making a good strategy is also called one type of calculation in gambling.

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I don't think that math is needed in gambling not unless to compute how much your loss or how much you have won Grin

.. gambling is more on strategy and luck. Even if you are playing poker. It is not neccesary to compute cards number.

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Quote from: mariah.sadio on December 04, 2017, 09:37:08 AM

I don't think math helps us to win in gambling. Gambling is just pure luck. Math is helpful in terms of investments but in gambling, it does not help.

But i think that in some gambling games it is too much important that you must have some good calculation so as to play gambling in a good way.

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Quote from: Zero_Cloo on November 30, 2017, 04:56:01 AM

If you're good enough at math you can win consistently at gambling. Not at all gambling - a big part of what the math is there for is to make sure you're always in profitable situations. It will never magically make you win at roulette. But it will let you identify the games and situations you can win at, and if you stick to them you will make money in the long term.

As we hear the word “gambling”, the first thought that comes in our mind is luck. Math can help in gambling but it cannot help you to win every game you play because luck is more prominent in this case than the logics. It is due to luck that at last moments of games, the loser becomes the winner and the winner has to face disappointment and misery and at that time logics are far away from the situation.

Yeah luck is a major factor in almost all games out there but there are a few games that allows for people that can do the maths to be consistent with their winning games. There are professional poker players for a reason and that's not due to luck. Anyone can have a fluke tournament or have a hot run but not everyone can have a good bankroll management and get winnings consistently

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Quote from: Zero_Cloo on November 30, 2017, 04:56:01 AM

If you're good enough at math you can win consistently at gambling. Not at all gambling - a big part of what the math is there for is to make sure you're always in profitable situations. It will never magically make you win at roulette. But it will let you identify the games and situations you can win at, and if you stick to them you will make money in the long term.

As we hear the word “gambling”, the first thought that comes in our mind is luck. Math can help in gambling but it cannot help you to win every game you play because luck is more prominent in this case than the logics. It is due to luck that at last moments of games, the loser becomes the winner and the winner has to face disappointment and misery and at that time logics are far away from the situation.

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