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Quote from: STT on June 12, 2022, 12:27:52 PM

Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition. People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc. Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.

I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.
Anyway, I've only heard a few sport games that has been reported to be cheating or being a fixed match and they were punished heavily for what they've done.

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Quote from: STT on June 12, 2022, 12:27:52 PM

Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition. People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc. Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.

They don't really make it very obvious as the mafia would do it. When they see a boxer is old and may not be able to last 12 rounds but can drive crowd to buy tickets, they'd match it to someone new and hungry for fight.

Even today there are still fights that are not obviously fixed but they are up to make money since the fighters can drive many fans into the arena to make money. Exhibition fights is just one thing they do and we even know there will be no winners in the fight but heck ifTyson in the ring can make fans go crazy buying tickets and an opportunity to make NFTs, they'd do it.

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Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition. People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc. Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:45:19 PM

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.

Whether the game is fixed or not can't be identified. Later when the game comes into discussion as the big team losses to the small team, people start to identify signals. I don't know how effective this is happening with sports teams. With cricket we've seen different signals being passed during the match and the recent ball tampering incident of Clarke and Warner. This isn't a fixed game, but what they did is against the rules and later only identified.

some people are very good in predicting things. One of my ex-boss used to read minds and always came up with good predictions.
But I cannot predict what is coming up next. But yes one thing I believe sometime too cheesy relations and friendships end up in chaos.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:45:19 PM

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.

Whether the game is fixed or not can't be identified. Later when the game comes into discussion as the big team losses to the small team, people start to identify signals. I don't know how effective this is happening with sports teams. With cricket we've seen different signals being passed during the match and the recent ball tampering incident of Clarke and Warner. This isn't a fixed game, but what they did is against the rules and later only identified.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 11, 2022, 04:43:40 PM

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

Honestly match fixing is doesn't have any entertain to me, I will be mad to know if the match is fixed because I'm expect the match will be close and the club/fighter I bet will win since I've do some analysis. I'm not always bet on favorite club/fighter if I can see the advantage or power from an underdog. If the match fixed is a exhibition match, then I wouldn't comment anything since it's full of fixing.

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Quote from: Mauser on June 11, 2022, 04:36:35 PM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In today's world I would expect to find almost no fixed game anymore. I am no expert on fixing or cheating games, but it sounds more of a thing of the past due to much better video recordings of the matches. Now we can analyse every millisecond of a match from various angles, there are no more blindspots.....

But there is still fixing going on, you are talking about international or national events but on local events, where there is an absence of TV coverage and CCTV like local boxing matches or local basketball leagues these things exist, and since there is no TV coverage people can speculate but those with good eyes and knows the movements of the players, it actually exists and game or match-fixing will always exist because there is money to be made here, could be coming from the competitors or could be coming from a syndicate.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 11, 2022, 04:43:40 PM

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Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.

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Quote from: Vaculin on June 10, 2022, 05:51:27 PM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I've witnessed it a lot of times. There are really games that make us very uncomfortable because the ends just don't justify the means. Even if its very clear that your team gains most of the wins, but its just that the result is never what you really expect. So i always think that there is really bias happening in that scenario. But only the event judges can tell. We cannot just argue with the results or else we get banned orders from the operators.

True. If the scoring and the winner are questionable or the players are not competitive, not giving their best to win then its a sign that the fight is fixed. It can be easily notice in basketball match, boxing and mma fight.

I watched one before its a local basketball league, the one team is bribe to lose the game so the other team can move forward to finals. But it was exposed due to the obvious performance of each players thus resulting to disqualification.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on June 11, 2022, 07:44:19 PM

Years ago, there was a game being held and as expected thousands of players participated on the bet. But during the course of the game, both teams made very questionable plays and movements that made them suspect that they are involved in "game-fixing." Valve quickly made an investigation which turned out to be positive, so all the players responsible were held accountable.

That's the risky thing for all the people who are held accountable. I can't believe these people will just involve themselves without a good reason.

Like in that story shared by you, maybe there is a good and reasonable reason why these people put themselves in that particular situation.

Game-fixing can't just be done easily. It needs the cooperation of most people in the scene. For people to decide whether they want to be involved in game-fixing or not, that's a hard decision they are going into.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on June 11, 2022, 05:57:30 PM

Maybe this could happen. as we know that the world of sports betting is sometimes very influential and involves a lot of big people and high-ranking people in the world. There are many of them who bet money or whatever in sports betting. So it could be that they do some match-fixing which sometimes makes us sports bettors very surprised by the results. but of course we cannot accuse or prove it easily.

Just to share and add to my previous post, I also remember that there was an allegation against game fixing in Dota 2. Since gambling skins in-game is a very prominent practice being used by gamblers, it is nothing but normal for some people to bet thousands of dollars worth of skins every game.

Years ago, there was a game being held and as expected thousands of players participated on the bet. But during the course of the game, both teams made very questionable plays and movements that made them suspect that they are involved in "game-fixing." Valve quickly made an investigation which turned out to be positive, so all the players responsible were held accountable.

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Maybe this could happen. as we know that the world of sports betting is sometimes very influential and involves a lot of big people and high-ranking people in the world. There are many of them who bet money or whatever in sports betting. So it could be that they do some match-fixing which sometimes makes us sports bettors very surprised by the results. but of course we cannot accuse or prove it easily.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 11, 2022, 04:43:40 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on June 11, 2022, 03:47:24 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

who would risk their reputation if the money on the line is huge? certainly, they won't easily share the information for public consumption. as much as possible, they will safeguard the info if there are big people involved. aside from ruining their name, they may be sued if the info gets out. and the league or the club would be screwed and possibly dismantled if it is proven to have their games fixed. so i can understand, if there will be game fixing, they will secure this info to very close people.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on June 11, 2022, 03:47:24 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In today's world I would expect to find almost no fixed game anymore. I am no expert on fixing or cheating games, but it sounds more of a thing of the past due to much better video recordings of the matches. Now we can analyse every millisecond of a match from various angles, there are no more blindspots. The risk of a cheater to get caught is much higher now.
With horse racing I have no clue about fixing matches, but for basketball it seems very hard. A referee could favour one team and try to push them for a win, but that will likely be challenged by the enemy team and might not be enough for a win. Same goes for paying of a player to throw a game, if he plays to bad the coach will just substitute him. And then again missing a tree throws might not be enough to lose the game. Also in basketball the championship are usually multiple games. The best sport to fix matches would probably be boxing, there are only 2 fighters involved and while faking a KO might be too hard, losing by points sounds the most plausible. Everybody can have a bad day and not be able to give 100%. Problem is that this can only happen 2-3 times in a career, after that he is out.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

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Quote from: molsewid on June 11, 2022, 11:56:04 AM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Maybe there's a possibility but match fixing is very against the rule, any team who will caught on the act might be punished, they will pay and maybe they will go to jail if there's a policy like that. You will notice if it is fixed if the gameplay of the team is not the same like the way they used to play, it will be very obvious. But no team will make us feel that the match from their opponents is already made because they need to pretend so that they will not kick from the league.

Match fixing is wrong and unethical and should not be done. It does not matter if it is done at the league level or international level, it's is against the good spirit of the game.
The only way to get rid of match fixing is to give punishment to those who get caught in match fixing. This way people will fear of the consequences of the match fixing and will think many times before doing it.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Maybe there's a possibility but match fixing is very against the rule, any team who will caught on the act might be punished, they will pay and maybe they will go to jail if there's a policy like that. You will notice if it is fixed if the gameplay of the team is not the same like the way they used to play, it will be very obvious. But no team will make us feel that the match from their opponents is already made because they need to pretend so that they will not kick from the league.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

Usually match fixing would really be happening on local leagues or games but not into those games which are on international level or something that are on top ranking kind of games where fans do see all over the map

which means that any differences in gameplay might really generate out that kind of impression that it might be fixed specially if its an obvious one but if not then people would really be
hardly noticing if ever there are something like this.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 09:36:11 AM

Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.

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