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There are some events that are so blatant that you can detect cheating, but they will tend to be low level games and possibly even involve both sides trying to play a particular way (e.g. very badly). Besides that it can be very difficult to definitively prove that cheating is taking place unless you're able to investigate the paper trail or catch the match fixers proposing it directly. The bookmakers will be able to see unusual betting behavior and possibly take action, but unless they have proof it is unlikely they'll do much except ban the person from placing any more bets or cap them at such a low level as to make it pointless. As it could effectively end someones career if detected or suspected, the players involved are going to want substantial sums upfront, which means the cheat has to pay off quite big to make it worthwhile.

Bookmakers, if they suspect the game of dishonesty, simply cancel bets on this event - they simply return the money. They don't have to prove anything, go to court, etc. these are the rules of the betting business, and by the way, they don't even have to watch the game to analyze it for fraud - if they see that an unusual number of bets are being placed on this event, this is enough justification for them to take action.
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if you mention cheating in sports matches then we can't know for sure because cheating will always exist. there was once a big fuss where the match-fixing mafia controlled one of the big leagues and made a lot of people lose especially the gamblers (because they controlled the final outcome of matches). without proof then we can't think that many sports matches are not a fix matches.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There are some events that are so blatant that you can detect cheating, but they will tend to be low level games and possibly even involve both sides trying to play a particular way (e.g. very badly). Besides that it can be very difficult to definitively prove that cheating is taking place unless you're able to investigate the paper trail or catch the match fixers proposing it directly. The bookmakers will be able to see unusual betting behavior and possibly take action, but unless they have proof it is unlikely they'll do much except ban the person from placing any more bets or cap them at such a low level as to make it pointless. As it could effectively end someones career if detected or suspected, the players involved are going to want substantial sums upfront, which means the cheat has to pay off quite big to make it worthwhile.
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There were some matches that I've seen in Soccer that has thaught to me that were fixed.

For what?

- Players doesn't score, also in very easy occasion.

- Players spent too time to pass the ball, instead to coordinate attack/defense action.


I remember 2 years Ago, Napoli-Verona which ends with results 1-1. Take a look at that match and let me know if that were fixed or not.

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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There's no way you can determine accurately If the game or match is fixed, but you can suspect when something is not right that's happening.
In a basketball (local and national) match I have seen a lot of suspected game fixing match, but they get away with it because of lack of evidence. I know something in basketball when they try to rig a game, they have to either intentionally cover or not to cover the point spread, or intentionally let the other team win regardless of how strong the favourite team is.
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When I was more serious about gambling I studied history of past cases where leagues admitted games were rigged.

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From the archives: How former ref Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games

Editor's note: This two-year investigation, which revealed how disgraced referee Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games, whom he did it with and the millions of dollars that flowed from the conspiracy, was originally published on Feb. 19, 2019. July 9 is the anniversary of Donaghy's resignation from the NBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games

It also helps to study the process by which odds are set and how the industry approaches things.

I think its safe to say some core foundational knowledge is necessary before a person can have a good enough grasp of things to say whether games are rigged.
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I'm not good at determining if the event is fixed but there were a few matches that I watched where I couldn't stop wondering how the match result went out. It's specifically on the boxing field and their facial expressions seemed too rehearsed. I couldn't blame them if that's their way of making bigger money. The disappointment only begins if their acting is too obvious.
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No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.

And with that scenarios, game-fixers/mafias will mostly target the game that has balanced competitions. It will save their butts not too easily being recognized by those gamblers who seek to ride with game fixing events. Inside sports gambling, there are always possibilities that the game is manipulated.

Hard to say, especially if those actors are already mastered by what they are doing, it seems so normal for them

when they are doing the fix.
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This video is one good example of a fixed fight in boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGw5dwdbwwk
the first clip was so hard and extremely cringy to watch, I've seen that video before and remember that in the comments on the video they were making fun of the guy. I Mean it was clear that the match was rigged especially with those punches. I won't be surprised if the guy with the fake muscles was the one who paid to organise that match.
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In a fighting event between two humans if there is a fix it can be easily detected as there are only two actors.You know where you cannot easily tell no matter how hard you try,it is in soccer games where 22 players plus 4 referees are the actors of that game.How many games we have seen the stronger team attacking and only attacking,making a lot of near misses,hit the post and so on and in the last minute of the game they concede a goal and lose the game.Personally and this is just a personal opinion I think these kind of games are rigged as they are repeated cases,it does not happen just once,we have seen a lot of such matches.

The only sport which cannot be rigged in my opinion is Formula 1 and MotoGP,the sportsmen there are risking their lives with extreme speeds so I find it highly unlikely that rigging to take place in such sports and that is why the biggest amount of money and bets I always make them in F1.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I usually identify a fake (fixed) boxing match. 

I look at the expression on the faces of the boxers.  It's called physiognomy.  In fixed matches, boxers behave unnaturally.  They look like theater actors, not athletes.  In a real fight, athletes experience a feeling of rage.  They want to defeat their opponents. 

These emotions are reflected on their faces.  In fictitious (contractual) battles, fighters experience a feeling of disappointment and annoyance. 

In fact, they imitate a fight.  They think about money, not about winning.
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No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.
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No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.
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Mostly you can notice the match is fixed if the player is intentionally not doing its role like in basketball they miss the shot or even scoring baskets, football’s striker fails to score and so on. Other way to check it that some of players are deliberately playing bad by getting low in their playing stats which is often seen only in slumps or slump periods!!!   in the domestic league Match-fixing is basically a game plan that the players, coaches, referees and sometimes managers prepared in order to win or lose a game or even part of the game.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I sometimes observe it too and can't help but feeling upset because the game turns to be so odd to watch. Not just in sports but i also think that even in lottery too, the results are already fixed. Although they always tell the viewers that the numbers are randomly picked but it seems to me those numbers are already predicted. That is why most of the jackpot winners came from the main region or in which the main branch is built. Just my own thought.
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No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
You cant tell or able to say that its fixed because if they are really doing it then it would be on non or almost non noticeable and just been said
above that once they get caught they their reputation would be fucked up and they do know on whats on stake if they are really planning to
have a rigged game.Therefore, spotting out on point is something almost impossible until the end of the game.You might really feel that there's
something wrong or felt off but we know that every game does have those possibilities of sudden u-turn of events.
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It depends. You can also have events and competitions that have been manipulated on a small scale, fixed bets have also come into the picture but won't stand out because the volume of bets is low. If you end up in higher divisions, it is not surprising if a lot of money is bet. Then it will also be less noticeable if people bet a lot of money. And what is also essential is the type of market. Taking a yellow card can be paid a lot for it, and can be hard to prove because anyone can get it.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
Fixed matches or rigged ones do really exist but this is something that you can tell on point because one thing you do have in mind is about coincidences and also if you do know or have hunches that
is is fixed then what you would gonna do? Fixed matches do played on a very non obvious manner or something that not fans could able to see it obviously which means that identifying
that its rigged then its really a hard thing to be done but with basing with our personal opinions specially if our team is losing then this is a common behavior.
Upsets do happen on any game or any sports that we do have.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
This is very difficult to identify by just watching the event but there have been cases in which there have been very high suspicions that something was going during the match.

One of the most obvious examples of this was during the 1978 World Cup which took place at Argentina, Argentina needed to beat Peru by at least 4 goals if they wanted to reach the final of the tournament, at that time the format was different than the current format, and they won 6-0, even at the time there were very strong accusations against Argentina that the match was fixed and quite honestly I think the accusations are legitimate, however this is an exception since it is almost impossible to tell if a match has been fixed or not without an ongoing investigation from the authorities.
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