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Quote from: Maslate on July 04, 2022, 02:25:12 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.

Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 05:04:01 PM

Quote from: mirakal on July 01, 2022, 02:44:15 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 30, 2022, 07:59:17 PM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 01:13:01 PM

I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.

We need to also consider that at the top of any sport a star athlete will be earning a fortune not only from his salary or the prize money that he earns, but also a lot of money will come from promoting several products and brands so it is much more difficult to bribe them, referees on the other hand regardless of how well they could be paid by their leagues still receive a very low salary in comparison, so it is way easier to bribe them so they fix a match.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 05:04:01 PM

Quote from: mirakal on July 01, 2022, 02:44:15 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.

Surprisingly match fixing goes in all the direction. There is game beyond every game and one who can see that hidden game is the winner.
In this upsetting time. People are getting more into sports gaming.But than again not everyone will have an ability to read between the lines.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 01, 2022, 02:44:15 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 30, 2022, 07:22:57 PM

The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.

But I seriously think that it was deeper than that, we may also have speculations about that case but we can't justify it but I feel that there were some strings pulled so that the result won't be complex enough and the referee will carry all the burden that's why the result says that he was just drunk that time and a drug shipment was found out too.

These refs are more prone to be forced to make the game fixed because the minds behind the curtain are powerful enough to blackmail or threaten the referee.

I think people are more concerned about many other important things in their life rather than just focusing on match fixing. Yes gamblers have a different mind set. But people interests are inclined to many other things these days. There are so much distraction that sometime we too forget these small things like match fixing and other stuff...

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 30, 2022, 07:22:57 PM

The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.

But I seriously think that it was deeper than that, we may also have speculations about that case but we can't justify it but I feel that there were some strings pulled so that the result won't be complex enough and the referee will carry all the burden that's why the result says that he was just drunk that time and a drug shipment was found out too.

These refs are more prone to be forced to make the game fixed because the minds behind the curtain are powerful enough to blackmail or threaten the referee.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's probably easier to tell if a fight is a fix than most of the other sports you list, as there are only two people to focus on and anyone who watches them often could build an idea of their fighting style. A lot of match fixing is intended to be as subtle and undetectable as ever, so you'd still be guessing unless they are blatant (which would probably provoke detailed investigation). The only time you're likely to detect it easily is if both fighters are trying to lose.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 25, 2022, 12:48:45 AM

It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

You can only tell that a game or event is fixed because there will be odds happening and as someone who is also good in the event, it’s easy to trace and detect if there’s any. It may be some fault of judges, or the event’s organizer, but one thing is certain, the team who wins have taken advantage on the event, while leaving the underdog team in great despair.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 30, 2022, 02:59:33 PM

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on June 29, 2022, 01:09:11 PM

A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights. For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

Yes mate, that's for sure! Cheesy

An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.

Ruined in terms of collecting more money Grin

the Logan brothers managed to attract fans using their social media personalities they really made a huge amount profits using this kind of entertainment so with Mayweather, in terms of fixed fights we can't expect anything if we will relate this kind of connections with exhibition fights.

Fixed games are more into serious games or regular sports venues where rumors game fixing are ongoing but no can really tell

if the said activities are really existing, or this kind of rumors will continue just a rumors.

Both said personalities are taking advantage of their fame to collect money using the boxing industry as a place to milk themselves. Logan Brothers were first known in vlogs and short clips that's why they have their own set of huge fan base that will actually support them as they decide to set their foot on the ring while Mayweather managed to carve his name as a boxer but even having a flawless record doesn't keep him away for bashers who don't believe that he can have a flawless record.

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 30, 2022, 07:59:17 PM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 01:13:01 PM

I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.

The participation of the officiating refs do have a big influenced with the outcome of the games, not just the players but more on the sides of those people who are controlling the game, I'm not really sure if how those refs getting suspended or I mean if how long they will be out after calling a wrong violation.

They'll be forgotten after the suspensions and again can do another manipulating call. Fixers also include refs

as they understand that players are prone to being caught while officials are at the next resort.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 01:13:01 PM

I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

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But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

Well this is a practice that many are already aware of these things, the truth is I think that after seeing the robbery that was done in the past Olympics in boxing it is something obvious that on occasion any person is capable of realizing it, for me At that moment I felt a lot of anger, and just as it happened in such a special event, where everything is "supposedly transparent" it means that it happens in other competitions.

The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 30, 2022, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 29, 2022, 03:55:39 PM

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 28, 2022, 12:42:30 PM

Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport Grin

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.

Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.

It is true that a single person cannot do much especially since they are not going to have evidence of what they are witnessing and any authority can easily disregard what they are saying, however if a great deal of people think a particular event was fixed then as a group they can apply pressure for an investigation to take place, also those complains could reach the ears of the losing team or athlete and they could demand and investigation as well, so fans as a whole can still have an effect as long as they act as a group.

You are right because if you are the only one who would really be tending to argue out that it was fixed then it would be most likely to be ignored but when in groups then it could create out some noise
which can definitely or possibly able to reach out but of course this doesnt only talk about small numbers of person but rather on the entire fans or supporters of such team where they are really
that complaining about the fairness of the game.We cant really deny that fixed games could really be possible but pointing it out or making out complaints would really be a challenge already
neither you would really be getting some attention but most of the time you would really get ignored or something that you cant do even if you do want to prove out at least.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 01:13:01 PM

I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.

(I don't know much about football, boxing, basketball, etc but since I am a cricket fan so can tell about it)

In cricket, Empire does not declare batsman out even though everyone can tell him that that was out. Of course, we can call it a human error if it happens once or twice but they keep repeating it.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 01:13:01 PM

Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

Yes, it is true in most cases players fix matches. We can guess from the player's behavior that he's not playing sincerely.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 29, 2022, 03:48:02 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on June 29, 2022, 01:09:11 PM

A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights. For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

Yes mate, that's for sure! Cheesy

An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.

Ruined in terms of collecting more money Grin

the Logan brothers managed to attract fans using their social media personalities they really made a huge amount profits using this kind of entertainment so with Mayweather, in terms of fixed fights we can't expect anything if we will relate this kind of connections with exhibition fights.

Fixed games are more into serious games or regular sports venues where rumors game fixing are ongoing but no can really tell

if the said activities are really existing, or this kind of rumors will continue just a rumors.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 29, 2022, 03:55:39 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 28, 2022, 07:02:21 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 28, 2022, 12:42:30 PM

Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport Grin

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.

Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.

It is true that a single person cannot do much especially since they are not going to have evidence of what they are witnessing and any authority can easily disregard what they are saying, however if a great deal of people think a particular event was fixed then as a group they can apply pressure for an investigation to take place, also those complains could reach the ears of the losing team or athlete and they could demand and investigation as well, so fans as a whole can still have an effect as long as they act as a group.

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Quote from: passwordnow on June 23, 2022, 01:12:01 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.

Of course it is hard because if they will make it is easy to spot on then they will be in big trouble. We shouldn't make a scandal if we have no concrete evidence to back up our claims because we are the ones that will look bad and we will be in big trouble if ever we are doing it in real life where our identity is known.

In online sports betting I think operators will not care anymore if the sports/match that they catered is fixed or not but their jobs is to simply make a game/betting out of it. If there's one that will be blamed for this then that must be the organizer of the game/match but it takes a lot of effort, time and money if you are serious about accusing them.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 29, 2022, 03:55:39 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 28, 2022, 07:02:21 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 28, 2022, 12:42:30 PM

Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport Grin

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.

Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.

Precisely as ordinary citizens, we don't need to think about those rigged matches because we don't know how to prove it. It's better to enjoy the game without thinking about things because that's what we can do. The rest let the people behind the rigged matches suffer the consequences of what they did. And hopefully, the authorities can expose their fraud.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In the field of sport, I have seen many fights because there are actions such as basketball that lead to personal or physical pain while playing, and very rarely until the end of the game the result is still good and so on. is not. Even in other sports, the same thing happens as in football.

Quote from: Issa56 on June 26, 2022, 06:32:30 PM

It's difficult to tell when a game is fixed, in my opinion, because the two teams won't really show it. Instead, they'll try to play their best, but they will intentionally make some silly mistakes that will let you know the game is fixed. On the other hand, some games won't be fixed, but there will still be silly mistakes, making it difficult to be sure. In football, especially, anything can happen, so you can't just assume that because a small club wins the club topping the table, that means the match was fixed. Sometimes the match will be fixed but you won't know it, and you might think the small club is lucky not to have known that the match was fixed.

That's true and correct, its too gard to find in the end that it is fix. But sometimes as I stated in the above it fixed before end of the games something like that.

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