Topic: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ? - page 7. (Read 2585 times)

In a lower league, a team can pay the referee but this was before. Today, if being done, it's going to be obvious and the referee will lose his job forever.

Yeah, on this matter. It's most likely the players have the bigger part of the match fixing. But to known leagues, this won't happen and if there's a suspicious, they will be subject immediately to an investigation.

Sad reality and as an ordinary citizen then what are the steps you would really be doing for them to proved out it was fixed? Get prepared on going against those big time fellas who manage that particular game and calling it fixed?

What you can do?
Who you would really tend to approach?
What would be your evidences?

For sure those questions above you cant really able to answer it out or doesnt
even know on how you would gonna deal with it thats why its better to ignore it out. 

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.

Yes mate, that's for sure! An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.

I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights.  For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

The reality is that there is no technology that guarantees us the PF as we do with traditional games and I mention it because we are in a cryptographic betting environment or niche, so it seems obvious.

Trust is a simple adjective but it defines where you should place a bet (casino) and in which sports (countries, leagues, tournaments, etc).
Sometimes I see soccer games  in certain countries, and..., let's say they have a first division category that one can presume that; First they are affiliated with Fifa, which country is not? there are more countries affiliated to FiFa than to the UN, you know that their teams participate in international tournaments, but you don't know anything else, ok, but in that same country you get a game on a Wednesday night of the second or third division, so...this is easy, bet!, if the game is there it is already a bit of trust, but the sport (country, tournament, etc) is fulfilled in trust, yes?, no?

So, When we talk about ridiculous bets like $100 or less, it's my limit, it's a yes! Other amounts may be ridiculous depending on each person's bakroll, but putting $100,000 in a game like this, for example, something like that, is it a yes?

Re crazy! really! is a no, because any result can be rigged or fixed. There are many chances that it will happen.

The point of the above leads you to the answer, only bet on reliable events, that have a guarantee that the "chance"/odds of a fix is ​​reduced by a very high percentage, as much as something close to 99%, because the reality  or  what the proof show, there is not leagues as reliable (100%).

Then it is something always latent, hence the 1% in my guess, examples; the serie A, Calciopoli, had fixed soccer games, in the same way other leagues like the one in Brazil, etc.

In other sports, college basketball does not escape, there are many cases, and although I gave an example of the MLB, there is a very famous case in the 1919 world series, but for example, the MLB is currently one of the most reliable sports in the world to bet, referees, players, managers, everyone is closely watched like no other league, maybe in other sports the same thing is done but to make a big bet if there is a reliable sport it is the MLB.

The boxing! it is the one with the worst reputation and I wouldn't put anything there that affects my bankroll, in general that should be the approach.

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where is the 1% examples:  

Black Sox Scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

SerieA, Calciopoli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciopoli

Diego Costa
https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-diego-costa-at-the-centre-of-alleged-betting-scandal-20211001

2005 Brazilian football match-fixing scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Brazilian_football_match-fixing_scandal

Basketball has a whole "Universe" of cases, especially in college basketball, but this case is worthy of the "Rigged Universe".

*Christian Dawkins seeks new trial after FBI agent pleads guilty to gambling government money
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/christian-dawkins-seeks-trial-fbi-agent-pleads-guilty/story?id=83162347

*It is important to say that this case mentions how a guy who was investigating another is involved with the use of state money to bet, on the other hand this "jewel" Christian Dawkins was brought to trial for the biggest bribery scandal in college basketball, it does not involve match-fixing, but it shows how bribery reaches any status in sport.

...the universe of rigged in college basketball:
Gambling Scandal Strikes Again Northwestern Players Face Federal Charges
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1998/mar/27/gambling-scandal-strikes-again-northwestern/

In that case I even saw a documentary on net Flix, to summarize the following link that even includes the story of the previous link, then in which we can see the case of Pete rose, who even as a manager bet on his team, in his defense he said that "I never bet against" (lol) it's a shame that this guy for those of us who like baseball, he is not in the hall of fame, but the rules are the rules.

11 biggest scandals in sports gambling history
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/11-biggest-scandals-in-sports-gambling-history

...so, Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ? No, but it is very very possible that it happens, well at least in a percentage => 1%

The game is here but we sometimes suspect that there is a game for example where most of the numbers can be scored but the goal can be scored but if it doesn't happen then it will be seen that there is a lot for those who play here.  The downside, however, is that if you look closely, most people here choose the wrong path

Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

No doubt, the referee is the cleasest way to determine a fixed game as the players seems to play with same energy steal and maybe with just a little hold back and for football, being more greedy with the ball but even still, it's extremely difficult to detect. Your years of expertise counts very little here because, a lot is on the line, from the career of the referee, the manager of the club, board of management and others that could be banned permanently from the game. So, the presences of a federation to ensure that these match fixes never happens have almost zero the chances to it and when it does, you might never tell.

in recent years the most common way of identifying manipulated games or Fix is paying attention to the attitudes of the referee of the game, the referees are the guys who are manipulating the games, they receive money to favor a certain team, it is true that with the technology that is being implemented in soccer it is increasingly difficult for games to be manipulated and the referees have not had much space to favor a certain team, but the same cannot be said in sports and fights, especially those fights that involve famous fighters and which are fights scheduled many months in advance

I know a couple of cases in the history of football in my country that most fans consider as obviously fixed games. In one case, the goalkeeper of the team conceded two goals in very stupid positions, despite the fact that his team had no tournament goals and for the opposing team a victory was necessary to take the gold. Two goals from the team in white on the conscience of the goalkeeper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JcJygCyRl4
The story of the whole scandal is here (in Russian):
https://www.championat.com/football/article-4010991-kak-igroka-zenita-obvinili-v-sdache-matcha-spartaku-detali-istorii-romana-berezovskogo.html
The bottom line is that after a couple of years the truth came out, but only those who publicly said that it was a match-fixing were punished 

I would say that there are some points to consider and that verbal actions by Jake weren't meant to get into Woodley's head but that knock-out punch happened suddenly and I can slightly say that Woodley could've avoided that as he came from MMA but he turned to be an inexperienced fighter against Jake. I don't know but for me, even if how many wins Jake could attain, I can't still be impressed unless it's against a known heavy names in the industry.

Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.

When you are really having that experience and awareness on a particular sports then you would really be noticing odd actions which would really be normal for you to say that there's  something wrong or shall we say that it is really that fixed but as long it wont really be getting any legal action then all the thing we can do is to complain deeply inside but its impossible that obvious fixed game actions wont really
be getting any consequences after that.We do know that they arent that dumb to make things on being caught easily thats why its really hard to tell whether its a fixed one or simply a bad night for any team
or players involved but we know that there's always a probability about match fixing.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed

As you say just by watching the game it is very difficult to determine if a game is fixed or not, however there are sometimes examples that are so obvious that people immediately complain that there is something going on with such games, and there are several examples of that, however most of the time what happens is that someone talks too much about what they were doing and this gets to the right people and then they decide to launch an investigation about the event and they find out there was in fact a manipulation of the game, then this becomes public and as you may guess a huge scandal follows.

That was too smooth for a rigged. Before that Knock Out punch, everything is doing fine on both sides and you can't even think that it's a rigged.

Even though I watched some related videos to see how it's done, we don't know what happened on that. It's a perfect rigged if that's really rigged and all I can say is if they can pull out that smooth act, what's more to their future fights?

I want to disregard the rigged since Woodley isn't really an impressive fighter after all before that fight. Comes from a 4-consecutive loss and is almost at the end of his career. They just do the fight for entertainment purposes to grab some money.

It's difficult to tell when a game is fixed, in my opinion, because the two teams won't really show it. Instead, they'll try to play their best, but they will intentionally make some silly mistakes that will let you know the game is fixed. On the other hand, some games won't be fixed, but there will still be silly mistakes, making it difficult to be sure. In football, especially, anything can happen, so you can't just assume that because a small club wins the club topping the table, that means the match was fixed. Sometimes the match will be fixed but you won't know it, and you might think the small club is lucky not to have known that the match was fixed.

There's always condition in any kind of fixed game or fixed fight and it's really not easy to detect them or prove whether it's true or just a speculation, people who lose always finds possible things that the game was rigged or the fight was rigged though there are really something unusual when watching the fight in the replay.

It's something that only the two party knows and nothing else, insiders or those who part of this activity will never leak the kind of actions as it can also ruin the conditions.