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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

The way the match is performed and there are lots of obvious questioned calls, we can tell if the game is fixed.

But our observation won't help since we really don't know what is happening behind that show. Maybe it's just that the supposed losing team has their adrenaline pumped up that's why they were able to upset that team that is supposed to win.

I also have a doubt that these players will risk their professional career. They won't participate in this dirty act in most cases.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I've witnessed it a lot of times. There are really games that make us very uncomfortable because the ends just don't justify the means. Even if its very clear that your team gains most of the wins, but its just that the result is never what you really expect. So i always think that there is really bias happening in that scenario. But only the event judges can tell. We cannot just argue with the results or else we get banned orders from the operators.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I have been feeling that way also as no matter how i realized the results of the game, its just making not sense. There are really times that the games are being rigged, and you can't do nothing about it but being upset because you lose on a game which you think you have the advantage to win. I'm not sure about the reasons but maybe there are some sorts of agreements wherein that team should never lose.

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Quote from: Wexnident on June 07, 2022, 08:05:54 AM

We can tell if something is wrong with the judgments of the referees or players, but I think there's no actual way for us to tell whether a fight is fixed unless the players and referees come clean with it. I mean, I can always assume that the team I like that keeps getting called out has a rigged match since well, they keep getting called out, but in reality, it may just be me being blind and the team indeed made actual mistakes worth calling out. But yea, it can be easy to see if something's really wrong with the match after maybe half of the match.

Without a doubt it can be difficult to identify that a game has been fixed by just watching it, which is why many times a full investigation is needed for the events to become clear enough.

However sometimes things are incredibly clear from the beginning, for example there have been some boxing fights in which everyone saw a boxer win but the judges gave the win to the other fighter, this immediately creates speculation about them getting bribed and while I do no remember something like this becoming a scandal recently there are many famous examples of this through history.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 09, 2022, 06:00:04 AM

the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game

It is precisely because of this that most sport federations try to do the best they can to get rid of all the scandals of fixed games as soon as possible, sports are all about the competition and one side doing their best to beat the other, and when that is not the case and one player or team lets the other win then this betrays the very fundamentals of all sports competitions, so it is natural fans are disappointed when this happens, and if it becomes something which occurs frequently it could be enough to reduce significantly the popularity of the league, as who wants to waste their time watching a competition in which the winner was decided before the game?

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If you see that people are honestly not even making sure that they have a chance in the game and you know their playoff and you sense something fishy then ofcourse it's fixed, for me sometimes when I watched certain football matches they wouldn't be able to shoot even at 7th try and would just rotate with the ball so for me considering the situation I felt like those were fixed for sure. But its to fix a match and it's also illegal as well therefore you would not find many instances where it's being done so more often I think it won't be fixed but they would just be out of their games as well.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 09, 2022, 06:00:04 AM

the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game

So you placed a bet on the team that the referee favored but ended up losing your bet? I do not see any logic in this, because if the game is fixed, then the result should be as it was intended by those who fixed it. Maybe it was a fair game and you just exaggerated what you saw? If it's not a secret, tell me what kind of game it was and why do you think it was rigged?

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the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 08, 2022, 07:01:47 PM

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.

Once it comes to international, it is not possible, fights can not be fixed just like other sport are not fixed, only the ones that are not recognized or well know can be fixed.

But it could be that the fixed-match is set to happen in an international match because we really don't know what goes on behind the scenes. But it is really difficult to do and it may take a lot of people to cover the arranged match.

And I also think that in these minor leagues, there is a possibility that people who are used to these regulated matches can do that so they can manage it freely. But if this gets known to the public and they can get solid evidence about the match being arranged, it will be very disappointing for all parties, especially those who support the match.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 08, 2022, 07:01:47 PM

In reality, yes we can tell if a certain match is considered fixed or not. But what evidence can we refer to as solid proof? What we just do is make speculations as even if that match is fixed, we can't back it up properly. There are obviously fixed matches and that really happened, but without a claim officially that there's something wrong behind that match, that's the only time our speculations will be answered.

The reason I have preferred not to go for small ones that are not common, those are the ones that are most likely to be fixed, others that are international are not fixed.

Quote from: goinmerry on June 08, 2022, 07:01:47 PM

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.

Once it comes to international, it is not possible, fights can not be fixed just like other sport are not fixed, only the ones that are not recognized or well know can be fixed.

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Quote from: Despairo on June 04, 2022, 11:05:12 PM

I wouldn't think a fight or event is fixed if it's a big match against two strong fighter/club that really want to become a champion. I mostly watch a football match and I don't think it's a fixed match because it doesn't make sense if he want to lose for money, AFAIK they already got a huge paycheck and full of endorsement. It's will different with boxing, mma and such similar sports, they fix the match by cherry pick a weak fighter.

Sports is a big entertainment business. We aren't sure if there are no games that have been rigged/fixed since negotiation is kept secret. Sometimes, to cater to promotions and interests, sports authorities might create a sound strategy to excite the audience especially when it comes to the best of the x series where x is the number of wins to be able to bag the championship or eliminate their opponent. This might sound like a conspiracy theory but it is possible.

Another reason for the fight to be labeled Fix is due to players betting on the game they are playing. This article[1] is a good read where a list of sports where fixed fights are raised due to the player' bet while playing on that game.

[1] https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/easiest-sports-to-rig-for-betting-betting-scandals-and-more/

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.

^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.

We are dealing with professional players and if there are some arrangement or agreement on making it a fixed game then this is something that these fellas could able to do so and of course it wont really

be that obvious as much as possible because if they do get caught then they do know on what would be the consequences.We know that fixed matching is possible or could really happen.
You cant say that you could definitely point out if its fixed or not thats why whenever there are some irregularities of their performance then people would always
be coming up with some nasty comments.

Mostly games are live in the match and of course there's atons of viewers with that will watch the game also of course they are fan of different team and they can easily notice a small portion of mistakes that towards a speculation to them there's a max fixing happens or it is just a casual game like imagine the MVP of the team makes a lot of miss shots and does not give a performance something going to be suspicious happen.

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Quote from: Cling18 on June 08, 2022, 02:10:28 PM

One thing that comes into our mind when the outcome or the result of the game is too different from what we expect is that it was a fixed game which is just our assumption. Some games only turned out different simply because sports are sports and anything can happen anytime. The result won't always go in favor of what we want.

Exactly, most of the time we're just on the assumption stage considering we vouch for the player/s or for the whole team.

Quote from: uneng on June 08, 2022, 04:06:15 PM

If you are a watchful person, I believe you can suspect the behavior and expressions of players, coaches and support team, but it's impossible to be assured without further investigations and evidence which must come from someone who is inside the industry, and not from a random spectator. In every sports there are cases of suspicious results people didn't accept by nowadays, although they can't prove anything with certainty at same time.

What gamblers can do is to avoid minor leagues in order to decrease the chance of betting in a fixed match and being "scammed".

Probably this are for the keen eyes and can literally see the behavior and expression of the individual, and you can tell I can't do that. The thing is, most rigged games can only be known or catch is when the game already happened even with just tiny details. And the worst in it, bettors already win and even if you protest, that would take a lot of time or worst as I'd say, it will never be changed. Take an example are some boxing matches.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.

^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.

We are dealing with professional players and if there are some arrangement or agreement on making it a fixed game then this is something that these fellas could able to do so and of course it wont really

be that obvious as much as possible because if they do get caught then they do know on what would be the consequences.We know that fixed matching is possible or could really happen.
You cant say that you could definitely point out if its fixed or not thats why whenever there are some irregularities of their performance then people would always
be coming up with some nasty comments.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In reality, yes we can tell if a certain match is considered fixed or not. But what evidence can we refer to as solid proof? What we just do is make speculations as even if that match is fixed, we can't back it up properly. There are obviously fixed matches and that really happened, but without a claim officially that there's something wrong behind that match, that's the only time our speculations will be answered.

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.

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Quote from: Questat on June 08, 2022, 09:00:56 AM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.

^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.

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Quote from: aioc on June 08, 2022, 06:04:43 PM

It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.

You have to be really stupid to fix like that meaning that you set it up before and you both try not to hurt each other. Real fixing works only when only 1 guy knows and he does everything like normal just when he gets a strong hit that would normally end in a stumble or a knockdown, he takes his time and acts like he's out. This is much harder to prove. Also, this almost never happens in higher leagues but the lower you get the dirtier the sports are.

Can you tell? Usually you have that gut feeling that something wasn't right with that fight or game but you also can't prove it. They will say that they had a worse day or got an injury and had to give up.

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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.

It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.

It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.

It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.

If you are a watchful person, I believe you can suspect the behavior and expressions of players, coaches and support team, but it's impossible to be assured without further investigations and evidence which must come from someone who is inside the industry, and not from a random spectator. In every sports there are cases of suspicious results people didn't accept by nowadays, although they can't prove anything with certainty at same time.

What gamblers can do is to avoid minor leagues in order to decrease the chance of betting in a fixed match and being "scammed".

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