Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ? - page 8.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 25, 2022, 10:29:45 AM

Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

Not sure until some official news was raised about it. But for me, as long as Paul brothers are involved, I believed there will be always a shit that will happen behind the script. The reputation of these Paul brothers is not so good that the community thinks they are just ruining the sports of boxing.

They are playing with the bookies. They will find a way to lure people to bet on their match as they know many wants to see them being defeated. That's how these brothers do business and not just they will sacrifice their bodies for nothing.

I'm against these Paul brothers so I will now conclude your shared rumor is true lol.

I also bumped a video across YouTube about that said fight, well, there was some exchange of words from both boxers before Woodley was knocked out. I mean, that punch was too real to say that's rigged but the video says it all and Jake Paul's mouth can be read.

About the Paul brothers, yeah they're literally ruining the boxing industry and using it as a venue where they can milk more money as they also have a huge fan base on the internet. Jake's record was neither impressive as his foes are just making some debuts and the same goes for his brother, Logan for trying to make nonsense exhibition matches.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 25, 2022, 10:29:45 AM

Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

Not sure until some official news was raised about it. But for me, as long as Paul brothers are involved, I believed there will be always a shit that will happen behind the script. The reputation of these Paul brothers is not so good that the community thinks they are just ruining the sports of boxing.

They are playing with the bookies. They will find a way to lure people to bet on their match as they know many wants to see them being defeated. That's how these brothers do business and not just they will sacrifice their bodies for nothing.

I'm against these Paul brothers so I will now conclude your shared rumor is true lol.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 25, 2022, 12:48:45 AM

It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

The football games fixing is what I hate the most and yes the scorelines are usually in draws of 0-0, 1-1 or 2-2. It very obvious but we think it's just the luck of the opponent. You'll see a team leading comfortably then all of a sudden they start paying badly and giving the other team an opportunity to equalize the game. This fixing are using notice when smaller clubs are playing as I doubt the big clubs will go so low for such fixing when they can easily win their games.

Days of Sir Alex Ferguson when he was managing Manchester united, you could easily see that the league was corrupt with game fixing by the officials. Manchester united could be losing and all of a sudden they gets free kicks in dangerous zones and penalty for the easiest touch in the penalty box, thankfully those days are over and now they're getting the karmas.

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Have heard of the fix in IPL cricket match conducted few years back. There were few easy catches missed and the opponent easily own the match. I think it was a semi-final if I am not wrong. It was obvious. So I am sure it happens with all other sports around especially when it targets to the final. Whoever gets paid much, get themselves lost. At times a team as a whole is paid, but at times a particular player who seems to be an important figure, is paid and gets trapped.

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You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match. That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.

Lol - this is so funny. These kind of matches are planned matches to have some viewerships and rating and also to create hype around.

I can't say I completely agree but there's a possibility. Usually, match fixing is related to gambling. Also, it's just odd to use fake fights for that purpose because it will surely draw a lot of negative criticisms/feedback. It does more harm than good IMO. Maybe they are thinking bad publicity is still publicity?

Quote from: mm2543363580 on June 25, 2022, 08:00:55 AM

I thought in modern time it is not very common . . but it is also very popular these days.

It's not common in most, if not all, highly popular sports organizations like the UFC (for MMA) or NBA (for basketball) but they still exist in less known sporting events. Too bad for them that it spreads like wildfire because of smart phones and social media.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 25, 2022, 09:19:30 AM

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A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

But there's always a chance that the information is leaked, remember that no secrets are safe when the purpose is cheating. Fix game is hard to find though unless you are from the inside or you have inside information, but it's operated by a syndicate so it's a very risky idea to associate with these people.

Yes, there is and I believe that an illegal secret is ain't that safe because time will come that it would be leaked, they better pray that there's no mole inside their circle. Although, most of the time we are only speculating about it because of some fight that is already too unbelievable to happen but we can't know for sure because luck is also one of the huge factor.

Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

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Quote from: AicecreaME on June 25, 2022, 08:35:14 AM

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

But there's always a chance that the information is leaked, remember that no secrets are safe when the purpose is cheating. Fix game is hard to find though unless you are from the inside or you have inside information, but it's operated by a syndicate so it's a very risky idea to associate with these people.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's hard, to be honest.

Because if your instinct told you that a fight was fixed because the player who has a lot of advantages against his opponent, then it could be fixed, especially if the opponent has much money and power compare to the player who has the advantages when it comes to a certain sport. But of course even though it was fixed for example, there's no way you could take a refund or something, because that won't go out easily in the media or in the sports industry.

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on June 25, 2022, 06:14:31 AM

You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match. That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.

Lol - this is so funny. These kind of matches are planned matches to have some viewerships and rating and also to create hype around.
I thought in modern time it is not very common . . but it is also very popular these days.

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You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match. That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

what we can only hold is speculate unless there is a concrete evidence that will pull the trigger , Because if this can be seen and told that easy then maybe all those fixers and involved on that cheating are already gone on that said sports.

But there are strong seen in which you can tell that it is fixed and if you are a sports lover of that certain occasion ? then if can be easily for you to understand what is happening.

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It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 04, 2022, 10:51:15 AM

Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.

the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance

Now it is not easy to make guesses weather the match is fixed or not. Earlier it was easy to decide.
Now with the advancement of technology - everyone has got smarter. Even the bookie too.

Making fixed or rigged matches cant really be possibly be done or would be on that obvious manner or else the would know on what would be the consequences which is
usually cant really be possible on big leagues or competition or tourneys but for local ones then i might believe that this could still really be happening but it is really
always been a challenge nor really a hard thing to determine which one is rigged and which one is normal.

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Quote from: dataispower on June 24, 2022, 12:16:38 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 04, 2022, 10:51:15 AM

Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.

the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance

Now it is not easy to make guesses weather the match is fixed or not. Earlier it was easy to decide.
Now with the advancement of technology - everyone has got smarter. Even the bookie too.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 04, 2022, 10:51:15 AM

Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.

the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance

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Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.

Well, oftentimes, that's also the case but sometimes we may doubt something about the game because there are these instances that a player could've produced more numbers or either they can make that shot/goal but it didn't happen and it resulted to a loss in our side as that's where we gambled. But if we look closely, they are also human beings who could make some errors along the way.

It does really happens that we think that it's a fixed match or game but we're also wrong with it. That intuition of us tells us that we're right with what we suspect.
But in reality, you have no proof to back that feeling of yours and that's a problem if you can't prove and you're just feeling it that it's been rigged.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 23, 2022, 12:35:34 PM

Quote from: harizen on June 20, 2022, 07:49:54 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.

I have always thought that anyone that was caught fixing games should be banned forever from the sport, some may think this is exaggerated but I do not think so, they damage the sport to the point the credibility of it is put into question, and if enough people get discouraged by this then it is likely they will lose a massive amount of fans due to the scandal, so in order to prevent that it is better to punish those which fixed the games as harshly as possible.

I always thought fixing match means they conspire with the opponent and they do some fake knockouts but seem easy to spot this kind of fix game. But this kind of corruption is much deeper since its the sports organization itself is making it which the athlete themselves have no knowledge the fight is fixed. Which a champ athlete with a declining wining rate is matched to a newly rising athlete to make money from the crowd and the bookies too.

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Quote from: passwordnow on June 23, 2022, 01:12:01 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.

Well, oftentimes, that's also the case but sometimes we may doubt something about the game because there are these instances that a player could've produced more numbers or either they can make that shot/goal but it didn't happen and it resulted to a loss in our side as that's where we gambled. But if we look closely, they are also human beings who could make some errors along the way.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.

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Quote from: harizen on June 20, 2022, 07:49:54 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 10:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.

I have always thought that anyone that was caught fixing games should be banned forever from the sport, some may think this is exaggerated but I do not think so, they damage the sport to the point the credibility of it is put into question, and if enough people get discouraged by this then it is likely they will lose a massive amount of fans due to the scandal, so in order to prevent that it is better to punish those which fixed the games as harshly as possible.

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