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Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 09:12:35 AM

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 09:12:35 AM

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

Something off or odd that happens will raises up some questions and when those doubts had been justified out then involved teams and people behind those fixing will really be facing up some charges and violations.Some people been saying that everything might be not that possible nowadays but we couldn't really make out some conclusion because match fixing had been here and something that couldn't be surprising thing.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 09:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

The higher you get up the professional sporting leagues, the less chance you are to encounter someone who will be match fixing. It's not impossible, but people tend to get compensated better (which can be huge depending on the sport) and there is a lot more scrutiny of their play, which makes it harder to engage in such abuse. From the few pieces I've seen about it, when journalists have caught people out, it tends to be more obscure events that they try to capitalize on - like getting a red card at a certain point of play. This can make the people placing such bets stand out because it will be highly suspicious to the bookmaker who will be scrutinizing all large payouts and a large payout is required to make the risk worthwhile. Stick to the biggest teams/players and you're more likely to avoid such cheating.

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Quote from: boltz on June 20, 2022, 05:04:27 AM

You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.

Right, it's quite easy to speculate that this certain game is rigged or fixed especially if there's a player we know that could really make that shot or goal yet he didn't. But surely we cannot prove it, sometimes what we felt was just a baseless hunch.

In the old times, we can say for sure that there was someone with a big brain behind the scenes rigging games and that happens frequently as we don't have the technology to provide evidence at that time yet. But as of these days? I'm not sure though but I'm sure that it won't happen frequently.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 09:12:35 AM

Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Did the rigged match turn out to be fair match after someone discover the suspicious activity of the judge/referee? I doubt it is, almost of the match end to be like that and the winner aren't changed. They wouldn't care until a big names talking about the case and make an appeal of his judgement.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:27 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

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Quote from: boltz on June 20, 2022, 05:04:27 AM

You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.

While difficult, to think that rigging games is impossible is to go too far, we must not forget that we are talking about big time criminals and not some small fish, which means that I would not be surprised that if instead of using incentives like money they used threats against the players in order to get them to throw the game away, as such a threat will be way more effective than the use of money as professional athletes earn a lot of money already.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 18, 2022, 01:21:46 PM

These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

There have always been problems with proving that the game was fixed, and you need to understand that this is a very sensitive area where you can unfairly accuse the innocent, so you need ironclad evidence like a video recording of the agreement and the fact of the transfer of money. For example, in tennis, player A bets on player B (who is an outsider) and loses the game to him. Can we accuse Player B of collusion? After all, he may or may not be involved in a dishonest game. You need hard evidence to make a judgment.

Accusing is something and proving is another thing, in this case you can simply provide your opinion if you are thinking that the game was rigged,

But, do you have any proofs that you can show about your claim? if there's none then it will only fall to your own sentiment.

There's nothing but only allegations that will keep linger inside you especially if you bet and you are already claiming that the team

or player that you are supporting have an upper hand against their opponent, once you lose that match you'll think that the kind

of game was fixed.

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You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.

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Quote from: harizen on June 19, 2022, 06:46:24 PM

Even if that's the case, professional players take care of their status. No mafia or higher-ups can influence them. That will result in the permanent removal of their status as a player and maybe, a lifetime ban from participating again in any sports.

That is correct - MAfia has their own role to play - even if there are strict rules about them- they will find the ways to make the black money white.
However talking about the OP - I cannot make a guess. Every time I did that in the past. I lost miserably so I decided not to do it anytime sooner.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:27 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

All sports are easy to fix if aggressively will force the plan to execute but if we are talking about professional big leagues, that fixing is hard to execute. It's hard to rig a game with only officiating, referees, or judges as a participant. To make rigged games successfully, players themselves should also take part in them which I doubt will happen mostly in high leagues.

If you talk about boxing, if the result is really questionable, there are instances that it will be subject to an investigation and reversal of the results.

Quote from: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:27 PM

Indeed they are professional players but their higher-up is a professional businessman. Grin

Even if that's the case, professional players take care of their status. No mafia or higher-ups can influence them. That will result in the permanent removal of their status as a player and maybe, a lifetime ban from participating again in any sports.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 18, 2022, 01:21:46 PM

These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

There have always been problems with proving that the game was fixed, and you need to understand that this is a very sensitive area where you can unfairly accuse the innocent, so you need ironclad evidence like a video recording of the agreement and the fact of the transfer of money. For example, in tennis, player A bets on player B (who is an outsider) and loses the game to him. Can we accuse Player B of collusion? After all, he may or may not be involved in a dishonest game. You need hard evidence to make a judgment.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:27 PM

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

I think it makes no sense to have a judge involved in the conspiracy, because if his decisions are obviously unfair, it will cause a scandal. Usually, fixed games take place in sports where not teams but individual players compete - table tennis, tennis, chess, etc. Unexpected results can be explained here by many logical reasons such as poor form or microtrauma.

earlier when there was less technology - people were very sure to tell. The matches are fixed. But now even the players have become smarts and know ways to do the stuff. Now it is hard to tell if it is fixed or not. However I am not much smart to judge it.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:27 PM

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

I think it makes no sense to have a judge involved in the conspiracy, because if his decisions are obviously unfair, it will cause a scandal. Usually, fixed games take place in sports where not teams but individual players compete - table tennis, tennis, chess, etc. Unexpected results can be explained here by many logical reasons such as poor form or microtrauma.

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix. Those that rely on judges is the best candidate. Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue. It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Quote from: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

They are professional and the trust of the people is where the revenues came from.

Indeed they are professional players but their higher-up is a professional businessman. Grin

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Quote from: karabiber on June 12, 2022, 03:36:50 PM

Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.

Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why is this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing. In other sports, you can also have this some is not easy to tell if its fixed or not but sometimes its obvious.

These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

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I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing.

I find this hard to believe especially in the upper tier where boxers are really carving their names in the industry to have a legacy before they retire. Maybe in the lower-tier where boxers are starting to create hype in their name, that said, there was a rumor that Jake Paul-Tyron Woodley fight was rigged and there are some videos that could somehow point out that it's rigged.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 09:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I don't really think that there is a sure way to see as a spectator if the outcome of a match is fixed or not. In general i think that is is way harder to fix matches where to teams are competing because in order to fix such a match you basically have to bribe the majority of at least one team which is just way to expensive probably and also way to dangerous because the more people that are involved the higher the chance that someone is talking and everything becomes public.
I think sports like boxing, martial arts or others where you only have two athletes involved are way easier to fix. Of course match fixing is a horrible thing and i hate everyone that does that.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 16, 2022, 03:26:50 PM

Without a doubt it is easier to fix a match in which a single individual is facing another than those in which a whole team needs to be convinced about throwing the game way, so sports like boxing and tennis are perfect for those that like to fix matches, however this does not mean that team sports are exempt of this, as we have seen many examples of this in the past, and those are only the cases we know something about, and it is very likely there are many more undisclosed cases we have never hear about.

I am not good in foreseeing - so I particularly don't try to make bets over this.
Whenever I did - I lost the bet. So I have stopped doing it.

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Quote from: crzy on June 12, 2022, 03:58:09 PM

Quote from: karabiber on June 12, 2022, 03:36:50 PM

Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.

Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why is this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing. In other sports, you can also have this some is not easy to tell if its fixed or not but sometimes its obvious.

Without a doubt it is easier to fix a match in which a single individual is facing another than those in which a whole team needs to be convinced about throwing the game way, so sports like boxing and tennis are perfect for those that like to fix matches, however this does not mean that team sports are exempt of this, as we have seen many examples of this in the past, and those are only the cases we know something about, and it is very likely there are many more undisclosed cases we have never hear about.

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Quote from: blockman on June 15, 2022, 06:05:20 PM

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So i dont believe that it would really be that rampant now but much sure in small leagues or local games then this might happen but for bigger ones then it is almost close to impossible but there
would be always some chances.

I reckon, in smaller and unpopular leagues. These can happen but in the bigger ones, I doubt that they even want to do it. They don't want any controversy that will be attached to them just because of this.
The bigger leagues in any sporting event won't do this, people probably would still believe in those mafias, I guess they're for real and still there but if ever they'll do it, we'll barely notice that the game is part of the rig.

There were rumors that Lebron was threatened by the so-called 'mafia' to throw the game in 2017 due to his rather lackluster performance against the GSW. I don't buy it. It's just that the Warriors were undeniably unstoppable during those season and that most of the players from the Cavaliers were tired and kind of restless. It is not impossible for major games to be fixed. It's just that we will not know that other people already know the outcome because it was already decided a few games even before the championship games start.

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