Topic: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ? - page 2. (Read 2584 times)

That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

It's typical to see people tell that they know something and stuff from here and there. And that happens when they're an avid fan of that sport and thinks that they've got the utmost knowledge amongst them all.

But to say a criticism, it's an okay thing to say. Although, if those things you're saying about stuff in those sports are mere opinion and no facts to support it, better remain it as an opinion and avoid argument to people that has facts.

Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league. While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators

It makes no sense to do it against a strong opponent. What are the bookmaker quotes for a strong opponent to win against Djokovic in a single set? Let's say 2.2. If you specifically give the victory in 2 sets, then the winnings will be 2.2x2.2=4.84. This is a good win, but if you pull off such a trick against an outsider, then the quotes will be much higher - let's say 3.5. Then the winnings will be 3.5x3.5=12.25 This is a significant difference, plus in the second case you are guaranteed to return to the game.

People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.

When it comes to wrestling, this is arguably true and to be frank with you, I sometimes wonder how the audience gets so obsessed and consumed with this sport. You could see the players sluggishly reacting to some crucial moments where the mat h of to have have ended, the reactions to the hits and often, the wrestlers makes little attempts to dodge an impending hit. Its always funny to watch.

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.

Many gamblers gamble behind the scene - Maybe players don't know and they do a fair game.
But everything happens behind the scene.

Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match

Indeed! Most of the time gambler will have some doubt and jump into conclusions when they are on the side that was lost but if it turns out that they're on the opposite side, I doubt that they will still have some speculation about these things because that won't matter to them at all as they have won the bet.

In the past, we used to know that there was some games that are rigged because the technology wasn't that evolving unlike, as said, we don't need to have some evidence to point it out. So in the future, rigging some games are still possible but that will become more challenging.

A player of the caliber of Djokovic can do this in the first or second round where he may lose deliberately the first two sets because he knows that he can always win the remaining three because the opponents are not so strong. But such tactics should not be done in the finals or against strong opponents as they are chances that if he or anyone loses the first set deliberately, the opponent may never let him come back in the game.

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ). What could prevent such a scenario?

Why is it bad to complain about fixed games when fixed games should not exist in the first place?

In gambling, we risk many things. Despite knowing that you should only risk what you can afford to lose, it's still unfair for the majority who are betting fair and square if the game they are betting on is already fixed. Because fixed games means that even before the game starts, there's already a winner. Making fixed games is lying to the audience and to the supporters which these teams and organizers get profit from. If it weren't for them, they wouldn't be where they are. No supporters of a game or betting means no source of income for them. So, why would you go that far knowing that you are betraying those who only want a clean game and betting?

In addition, these people who do betting are allocating their time and effort to watch and analyze the situation. They are using their minds in thinking which is the right bet for them to win. And those efforts would all be put to waste if the game is already decided in the very beginning. If I am a gambler and I knew that the game is fixed, provided that I am fighting fairly, it would really anger me. Smart bettors that you are pertaining to aren't really smart. They are just greedy and they don't have the capability to distinguish which is the perfect pick, hence resorting to fixed games.

The problem is that there is always very little evidence in this area (if we compare the number of suspicious games with the number of athletes who were actually caught on this) and this almost always remains in the realm of speculation (therefore, as you showed, everyone draws conclusions on the basis of subjective impressions). If I remember correctly, even big and massive cases like that Serie A scandal were more based on suspicion and circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.

everyone has their way of perceiving the things - some people take things very positive while always points out the wrong things.
So people  go above  and beyond the criticism and make things very uneasy for others.

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.

That's what we should achieve as a gambler, complaining about fixed games is bad, we should already see that it could happen anytime so we can anticipate the kind of approach we will do in betting. Smart bettors are happy with fixed games as they know which side will win most of the time, we should be smart.

There's a kind of mixed martial art local sport here from my place that also got the attention of the social media, an event where people see an obvious fixed game, can't recall the actual scenario but the event got the attention of those who have a good understanding regarding to this sport and they are the one who exposed and provide the information, they call it as shame to the sport and they would not allow this kind of event to co-exist with the real sport inside the country.

Bad calls from the refs are the reason why there are speculators out there who think that a game is fixed. As a bettor, I always believe it's happening, but knowing what particular game, that's a very hard job to do. As we continue to gamble, eventually we gets more matured and understand how to spot a value based on the line movement.

Orchestrated accordingly and spectators can only speculate but nothing can be proven, that kind of actions can happen around

major sport, but just the same, a strong mistake will create controversies and people will call reviews and will put the league into something

that will not be good to their reputations. A good thing is that social media is also active, creating smoke when something is not good in terms

of calls or misjudgments.

we live in a world where most people with money and power find a way to manipulate things to get even richer and more successful even if it meant stealing from other people, and you can find this in all domains that exist, they always have a way to fool people underneath them, so we all should be careful, I refuse to believe that it's not happening in sports, we see corruption everywhere.