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Quote from: vennali on July 11, 2022, 05:43:48 PM

NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.

As a dota2 player then there are lots of rigged games but of course as a result its really that penalized and i could say that determining and finding out rigged matches are much more easier
to spot out on online world rather than on physical ones and its not really that deniable.We cant really that tell and even if we do able to see and notice it then as regular fan or people
then what are the things that we can do? Yes, we can observed and definitely tell that those calls are shits specially on NBA refs which it would really be that obvious once they do
make out bad calls which us fans could determine whether its a right one or not but there are indeed times which calls are really that off which you could really make yourself
that too reactive whenever they do made those.

eSports in general has a ton of scandals. Every eSport and its not hard to look into it. A simple google search you can find out. The lower division matches that are pretty much always rigged are the ones nobody really cares about. I only have it running in the background while I'm doing simple tasks on my PC and the decisions that they make are very questionable. They arent punished because nobody really cares about them. There are a few divisions, where people dont even know who's really playing those matches. With that I mean, the teams constantly change players who are completely unknown.

Couple years ago, a caster who's been in the scene for a long long time mentioned that Match fixing in Dota2 is far more rampant than people realize. Also said that 70% of the teams from South East Asia would be under the scanner if they took the matter seriously.

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Quote from: vennali on July 11, 2022, 05:43:48 PM

NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.

As a dota2 player then there are lots of rigged games but of course as a result its really that penalized and i could say that determining and finding out rigged matches are much more easier
to spot out on online world rather than on physical ones and its not really that deniable.We cant really that tell and even if we do able to see and notice it then as regular fan or people
then what are the things that we can do? Yes, we can observed and definitely tell that those calls are shits specially on NBA refs which it would really be that obvious once they do
make out bad calls which us fans could determine whether its a right one or not but there are indeed times which calls are really that off which you could really make yourself
that too reactive whenever they do made those.

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NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.

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Quote from: stadus on July 10, 2022, 01:50:13 PM

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.

Other things that needed to consider if we are talking about big leagues, there are many people who watching it and a single suspicious moves can result to further reviews, while with minor leagues there're no arguments that game fixing is for real, not saying that the kind of business is not present inside big leagues but like what you said it takes a big guts and a lot of money to facilitate.

And also, even there're some talks or rumors about big leagues, it will remain rumors until there's someone who's being proven guilt

with the kind of action, inside sports gambling.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on July 11, 2022, 10:42:02 AM

I doubt there is a fixed matching happening in big games because those matches are holding a lot of money. We aren't talking about small amount of money at stake here, but a big fund and the reputation of the players or teams as well which cannot be paired and bought by money. These teams are playing because they have supporters believing in them. They are the reason why they are popular and enjoying the place they are already at as well as its privileges. The trust of the people is what makes them going as well as the pride and satisfaction they get in winning every match. So no, I don't think there is a fixed big games.

I think the fixed games and win trading is common in local matches only. Those small games usually contain fixed matches because they couldn't care less about reputation or support because they don't have much most especially those held in small areas and are only organized by the common people. They are mostly just after money. Not all, but certainly there is fixed matches happening in small scale areas because it won't be closely monitored compared to big matches.

You have a valid point here - many big leagues can't be fixed - but did you happen to watch some world cup finals - the fixed thing is not the whole match - but one ball - which can be a no ball and the batsman would hit a sixer to change the game although - not the whole team is involved but one player or two. But whatever it is - players are more conscious these day to stay away from this kind of stuff.

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Quote from: stadus on July 10, 2022, 01:50:13 PM

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.

Life is very fast these days - people just watch and give their opinions on it.
But I believe most of the big games are fixed .. like there were so many miscalculation and cheating which was done in World Cup qualifying round.

I doubt there is a fixed matching happening in big games because those matches are holding a lot of money. We aren't talking about small amount of money at stake here, but a big fund and the reputation of the players or teams as well which cannot be paired and bought by money. These teams are playing because they have supporters believing in them. They are the reason why they are popular and enjoying the place they are already at as well as its privileges. The trust of the people is what makes them going as well as the pride and satisfaction they get in winning every match. So no, I don't think there is a fixed big games.

I think the fixed games and win trading is common in local matches only. Those small games usually contain fixed matches because they couldn't care less about reputation or support because they don't have much most especially those held in small areas and are only organized by the common people. They are mostly just after money. Not all, but certainly there is fixed matches happening in small scale areas because it won't be closely monitored compared to big matches.

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Quote from: bitgov on July 08, 2022, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 08, 2022, 01:40:10 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.

The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

India scored 198 runs in the first innings so how does it looks that England can win this match easily?

I don't think this match was fixed and if you see teams taking the match lightly also does not guarantee that this match was fixed. Usually, it is difficult to track whether the match is fixed or not when both strong teams are playing the match.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on July 11, 2022, 08:15:10 AM

Perhaps I am an idealist, but it seems to me that sports competitions between different countries are fair sports competitions.

Each country strives to look better compared to other countries. And the easiest way to achieve this is to win in sports. Victory in sports is part of the country's positive image. In my opinion, contractual (fictitious) matches are more common when different clubs compete. In this situation, corruption and the desire to make money often take place.

When different countries compete with each other, then fictitious (fixed) matches happen much less frequently.

That's is very correct " victory in sports is part of country's positive" image and that is how the sportsman or an athlete lift the image of their country.
I m not sure about the players fixing matches - but one or the other players may do that. Also - there is a big gambling bets and games behind the games. That is for sure.

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Quote from: bitgov on July 08, 2022, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 08, 2022, 01:40:10 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.

The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Perhaps I am an idealist, but it seems to me that sports competitions between different countries are fair sports competitions.

Each country strives to look better compared to other countries. And the easiest way to achieve this is to win in sports. Victory in sports is part of the country's positive image. In my opinion, contractual (fictitious) matches are more common when different clubs compete. In this situation, corruption and the desire to make money often take place.

When different countries compete with each other, then fictitious (fixed) matches happen much less frequently.

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Quote from: stadus on July 10, 2022, 01:50:13 PM

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.

Life is very fast these days - people just watch and give their opinions on it.
But I believe most of the big games are fixed .. like there were so many miscalculation and cheating which was done in World Cup qualifying round.

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Quote from: bitgov on July 08, 2022, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 08, 2022, 01:40:10 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.

The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.

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Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

No. Big games are most watched. There is high money at stake here making it critical to be involved in a match-fixing.

Big games and matches are also recognized by most people around the world and I doubt something fishy will happen here. They won't ruin their reputation for that. Their fans are the reason why they are getting profits.

If we are talking about local leagues or small leagues, maybe there are a few cases of game-fixing but it's not 80%. That was too much.

I too believe most big games have big money behind. And surly most of the bookie would try to buy the players as well. But again now players are more concerned about their reputation and career they would like to stay clean and neutral because sooner of later the secret is out.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on July 07, 2022, 02:31:59 PM

Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

No. Big games are most watched. There is high money at stake here making it critical to be involved in a match-fixing.

Big games and matches are also recognized by most people around the world and I doubt something fishy will happen here. They won't ruin their reputation for that. Their fans are the reason why they are getting profits.

If we are talking about local leagues or small leagues, maybe there are a few cases of game-fixing but it's not 80%. That was too much.

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Quote from: bitgov on July 08, 2022, 05:28:11 PM

The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Are you referring to the first T20 international? Not have much knowledge about the league and the sports itself honestly. If you are a regular viewer of that sport, I understand your sentiments and speculations that something unusual is going wrong.

But searching on that, it's not England that won as far as your speculation is concerned but rather India takes the win by 50 runs.

With that result, do you still believe that match is somehow fixed?

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Quote from: stadus on July 08, 2022, 01:40:10 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.

The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on July 07, 2022, 02:31:59 PM

Quote from: mindrust on June 27, 2022, 01:27:12 PM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed

Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 27, 2022, 01:27:12 PM

Quote from: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 10:46:28 AM

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed

Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

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Quote from: Maslate on July 06, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: bitgov on July 04, 2022, 02:48:44 PM

Quote from: Maslate on July 04, 2022, 02:25:12 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.

Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.

How can you say that these techniques and tricks won't last for long? The organization will remain powerful because of rigging happened and they can always escape the speculations/rumors because they have the right connection and will make the cheating look clean and the people/protester won't have an evidence against them.

If you do have the money and the connection then you could really have everything or able to done on what to be done or whats up into your mind.They arent that dumb on making things illegal and making it looking

obvious? They wont really be doing suicidal things because that would surely give out that consequences which might things make more worst or would totally affect in overall reputation and career.Fixed matches
could really happen but determining which game then it would be the hardest thing to be done.Of course they would really be making it unnoticeable in the public whether you could spot out somethings off
then as a regular citizen or fan then what you would intend to do? For sure you wont really be doing stupid things on accusing without solid evidences.

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Quote from: bitgov on July 04, 2022, 02:48:44 PM

Quote from: Maslate on July 04, 2022, 02:25:12 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.

Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.

How can you say that these techniques and tricks won't last for long? The organization will remain powerful because of rigging happened and they can always escape the speculations/rumors because they have the right connection and will make the cheating look clean and the people/protester won't have an evidence against them.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 04, 2022, 01:35:00 PM

We need to also consider that at the top of any sport a star athlete will be earning a fortune not only from his salary or the prize money that he earns, but also a lot of money will come from promoting several products and brands so it is much more difficult to bribe them, referees on the other hand regardless of how well they could be paid by their leagues still receive a very low salary in comparison, so it is way easier to bribe them so they fix a match.

Stars in each sport are not really into this kind of activities, knowing that just by one mistake they can ruin their entire careers.

But yes, with officiating officials, they are very prone to participate. They can do the magic while the game is playing, chances that

the most participation in game fixing is from the refs is very possible, but again without any proven participation they are going

to be suspended if by chance, there's a challenge that being called from how they officiated the game.

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