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legendary
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.
I obviously don't deny such factors like luck or motivation of weaker team or demotivation of stronger team through different reasons. Yeah we are all humans and football players are also humans. But in general, by general I mean very uncommon, it really feels like change of match is very dramatic. I don't know if you ever experienced this in bigger countries although in Türkiye I definitely did experience. But I would say its still nearly impossible to spot. But sometimes feels are too strong to pass up.
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Every event is sort of fixed including some big sports like Cricket, Football at some levels.

Imagine there are 3 stages of experience -

1. Intermediate - Tier 3
2. Advanced - Tier 2
3. Professionals - Tier 1

Fixing happening in Tier 1 will be 1%, that in Tier 2 will be 5% and almost 20% in Tier 3.
So yes, Match Fixing is part of the system.

Is there any evidence for this or is it just your guess? With such a huge percentage of fixed games, the whole system should be involved in this. This is almost impossible given that the more people involved in the process, the greater the chance of leaks. Even at the professional level, one game out of 100 is a lot, as there are many games at the professional level every day. And we understand that professionals are a continuation (the very top of the pyramid) of the previous two levels, where, according to your assumption, the percentage of fixed games is completely wild.
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Once we used to believe that WWE is true. Later we understood that everything is planned and executed. It has got separate academy to provide training and based on their performance they were introduced. With real fights it is quite hard to make a prediction on whether the match is a fix.

In the past there used to be signals through which the players give information to the bookies. For what purpose match-fixing came into existence. Everything is Money and during those days technology isn't that accurate. These days things have changed a lot, so chances of fix seems to be lower than the past.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

That will depend if the favorite is likely to be the winner and the chance of other party to win is somehow smaller than the favorite, either way, we will likely have some analysis and nearest speculation of the actual result but that won't determine our success because as you've said, there this other factor called point shaving and intentional losing.
Majority of us would really be definitely sticking into those favorite ones which it doesnt really need much complex thinking and analysis on whose gonna win the match or fight.If you do see some odd movements

or bad calls from refs then it cant really be avoided for you to generate out some assumptions in mind that there's something off with the gameplay and having that impression that this might be fixed.

Of course it would be normal for you to seek for another possible odd movement or decisions been made and find out strange or something thats a true intent.Then what would be the next step you would do?
On where you would make such complain? How they would be hearing up your part? For sure this is something the hardest thing to be done.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

That will depend if the favorite is likely to be the winner and the chance of other party to win is somehow smaller than the favorite, either way, we will likely have some analysis and nearest speculation of the actual result but that won't determine our success because as you've said, there this other factor called point shaving and intentional losing.
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.

The most telling in football are the way the goalkeepers and the strikers play. How they do 1 on 1. Whether the strikers always miss, if they aim at the goalkeeper to make it easy for him to stop the ball, and so on. You can mask mistakes in the center of the field, but it's much harder to do it when you have a shot. Sometimes it will be visible that they're deliberately trying to miss. That's why it's very rare for a team to try to lose, especially for a better team.
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.

But if the mistake is obviously done with there are many errors they do then we can conclude that the match is fix especially when we see that opponent is supposed to be a good team. Also referee might be involve since as you said they can manipulate the game thru their calls and sometimes it is noticeable since this can really affect the game. For sure there are many red flags on this but we surely didn't notice yet the other more.

If that mistake is noticeable then it can be contest or fans can exposed it in a social media to gather the attentions of the league facilitators, the organization will be an alarm that there are fix activities that might needed of their attentions, it's no longer hard to review as there are replays and in a self-opinion if that particular mistake is really intentional those involves persons needs to be sanctioned from the acts that they've committed.
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I think it's pretty hard to know.

In football for example a match can be decided by one small mistake from one player. That would be hard to know if it was a genuine mistake or if it was done on purpose.

In other sports it might be more difficult to do it, for example in basketball you kinda have to be consistently better than the other team to win, so it would be harder to fake it.
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.

Sometimes it is all about the management of the teams because of the brackets they set in a match and most of the start of the event mostly they are doing some round robins. But of course, it is mostly with the financial talks about it, but of course in the international games such as the known events watching with the live broadcast there's a chance the viewers easily notice and we know how the internet works it is more easier to them spread news about the current status of the game.
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Every event is sort of fixed including some big sports like Cricket, Football at some levels.

Imagine there are 3 stages of experience -

1. Intermediate - Tier 3
2. Advanced - Tier 2
3. Professionals - Tier 1

Fixing happening in Tier 1 will be 1%, that in Tier 2 will be 5% and almost 20% in Tier 3.
So yes, Match Fixing is part of the system.
legendary
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It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

Why? Are you implying a conspiracy of gamblers and bookmakers to "shave off" the betting public? I don't think it makes any sense because the bookmakers make their profit regardless of the outcome of the games, and besides, such activity will not only be a threat to business, but also a risk of going to jail (and given the number of people involved, this risk is high).
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.

But if the mistake is obviously done with there are many errors they do then we can conclude that the match is fix especially when we see that opponent is supposed to be a good team. Also referee might be involve since as you said they can manipulate the game thru their calls and sometimes it is noticeable since this can really affect the game. For sure there are many red flags on this but we surely didn't notice yet the other more.
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I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.
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Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.

Not by far to happen, I mean due to money involve and the game is more controllable and with the same capacity of possible competitor game fixing is not easy to predict inside this sport. Though like you, I'm also hoping that those people behind won't be attract with the money and allow this with this rising E-Sport, having a fair conclusion of the game is what the fans are aiming to see and not something that questionable after the game.
Money can turn someone greedy, especially with the lure of big rewards that can make someone do an untrue review. It will be detrimental to the opposing side because the review could bring them down, but if they are not affected by the review and still show a good game, the game setup will likely not work out well. But everything remains in the control of the people who set the game, and the audience is completely clueless.
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
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Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.

Not by far to happen, I mean due to money involve and the game is more controllable and with the same capacity of possible competitor game fixing is not easy to predict inside this sport. Though like you, I'm also hoping that those people behind won't be attract with the money and allow this with this rising E-Sport, having a fair conclusion of the game is what the fans are aiming to see and not something that questionable after the game.
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Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.
legendary
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Couple years ago, a caster who's been in the scene for a long long time mentioned that Match fixing in Dota2 is far more rampant than people realize. Also said that 70% of the teams from South East Asia would be under the scanner if they took the matter seriously.

I agree with you that it's possible and rigging in E-sports, especially under the MOBA category, is easy to rig especially in a local or small competition.

But I personally doubt it will always be the case in the international E-sports league. These are heavily moderated and strict

The big event is between different countries, how can a rigged match will happened there? How is it possible to participate in a fixed match there?
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