Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 72.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

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Making the registration process for gambling easy for new members is a way to make sure that new people who come across the casino and try registering will not be discouraged from completing the registration process. Registration has to be swift and easy for new members.

Also, casino's do not really need to know who you are when you are signing up to join them, It is more important to know the identity of who is withdrawing from the casino. Registration is not also so serious because until you make deposits and start playing on a casino to win, you are not really a recognized gambler by the casino.

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Not bad ideas before registering some casino gambling account read carefully with their term of service, are there required with KYC or not when withdrawing process, actually all gambling casino account allowed deposit fund without have to KYC but have an exceptional when withdrawing fund because not smooth as withdrawing with KYC required. Its important because each casino gambling account have difference term or service rule, any casino allowed for withdrawing without KYC but always have any casino for making difficult withdrawing process without KYC. Don't be comfortable when deposit fund process instant although account not KYC the same happening when withdrawing fund later, always update new term of service and good ideas if you can get discussion in telegram group of casino gambling site to know more detail about their term of service.

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To me this sounds rather as a scheme not only to get people's money but also a way to profit off selling personal information of gamblers to hackers or other shady service providers.

For example, a casino could lure people onto depositing and because the KYC policies, they would slowly gather information, since they already have the email of those victims; then it is a personal profile which is of interest of targeted advertisement providers.

So, they earn money from both abandoned funds of those who decide not to withdraw and also from those providing documents. Sad

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This is the most important aspect of a gambler before getting to any casino or gambling site to starting using them it's your core duty to look out their terminologies because they will not hide any rather they will include their selling points like what will catch people's attention to start making used of their gambling site. That's why today most people don't really want to devote time to study about those gambling site or casino they want to make use of. It's a crucial aspect of all bettors to know why and also take note of countries restrictions.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

If you're experienced enough in gambling or using an exchange then you should know that this is not going to be the first of it kind that they will be making such demand, they don't allow the use of kyc from the beginning in other for you to have a start on using their platform but after which you're no more new to it and wanted to make withdrawals, they will subject you to passing through the KYC procedures you would have done while registering, they only do this to help them attract gamblers to use their platform and stay after which they would have made a deposit on their account, something similar happens with using some exchanges as well.

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On one hand this is perfectly legal and people gambling should be prepared to follow KYC rules. On the other hand this is an obviously shady tactic used by casinos to get your money and not have to give it back. I could understand not letting you withdraw winnings, but to let you deposit and not withdraw your own funds is as shady as it gets.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 19, 2023, 08:10:59 AM

For those who say that is the user's responsability to read the terms and conditions:

Really?? So you are only allowed to lose money without KYC? You can send crypto but not to withdraw. Of course, it is a basic marketing 101 strategy to remove all friction to enter and place it on the exit, but it is intolerable as a practice, it is a deception and a scam no matter what it says in its terms and conditions. For that matter, it is better to use casinos that operate through contracts openly, that is what this technology is being designed for.

Yes, it is the user's responsibility. For you to know, no one tells you to lose money at a casino, even if it is a trusted casino. You want to experience gambling at any casino you want, so the user must determine how the casino works. Users can also choose to gamble at any casino. It is not limited to trusted casinos because they can gamble at new casinos or even at shady casinos. But the risk will still be the responsibility of the user because it is your money and you should be able to choose a suitable casino by checking the casino.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

What's the difference between a KYC casino and a casino that doesn't require KYC, of course a real ID is needed and a real ID is not needed, isn't that right, Remember, each user has their own experience and beliefs in making the decision to gamble, KYC is one of the features that makes users not hesitate to bet.

The question is is there a guarantee in every casino that KYC does not do anything detrimental to users.....the answer is no.? There are many cases of KYC casinos acting up.

There are many reputable and trusted casinos without KYC, but they really enjoy playing there, as well as withdrawals without problems, as well as KYC is not required when making withdrawals.

However, if you don't trust casinos without KYC, afraid that one day they will ask for KYC in withdrawals, of course don't use that casino, use casino kyc early to ensure you are cheating, remember gambling is risky, so be wise to do research first before playing.

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this is usually the norm for crypto casinos now, as much as I don't like KYC in gambling it can't be helped as these casinos want to operate legally and in order for them to do that they would need a license to operate and follow the regulation that comes with the license. it is also why gamblers should make it a habit to read a gambling site's ToS before registering or depositing on a gambling site.

Quote from: delfastTions on September 19, 2023, 02:04:03 AM

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments. In my opinion, this only causes harm.
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure. And sometimes this can take quite a long time. Who needs this anyway? No one! This waste of your time just irritates me.
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments. This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general! In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos.
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path. This is very upsetting.

I completely agree with you but whether KYC can't be of any use in cryptocurrency payment or it contradicts the "essence" of cryptocurrency doesn't really matter to a lot of them, the gambling sites need to comply with the regulations if they want to keep their license.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

Just incase you haven't, the best you can do for us now is to share this casino so we can all avoid them, but if incase you have shared the casino in question in the comment section, then I will kindly ask that you share the casino in the op, so that every one coming into this thread will see the casino right away, instead of having to ask again, or search between hundreds of comment to find the casino.

With the above having been said, I would add that such casino be avoided, they actions or way of operation does show a great level of desperation and that could be very dangerous, a gambling casino that require no kyc for deposits, but out rightly ask for kyc verification for withdrawals, no matter how little the money being withdrawn is, such casino should be ultimately avoided for good.

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Your complain is nothing abnormal if casino requires you to register and make a deposit to start playing and require you to do a complete KYC, that is the process for many casino except you feel they didn't state anywhere in their ToS that KYC is a requirement to withdraw then you could suspect something wrong. Don't play in such casino where you feel they didn't state if they require KYC or not, casinos usually make a clear statement about that.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

Was that a casino that had an ANN thread in the forum? I've gambled at different reputable casinos in the forum, and I haven't encountered a problem like yours. It might vary from country to country, but it's clear that it's a scam if they promise not to require KYC and later do. In any case, it's important not to be misled and to read the TOS carefully instead of blindly signing up. The full story is usually there, so it's essential to read and understand it. Additionally, knowing that centralized casinos are regulated can provide a better understanding of why they require KYC.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

It is obvious that casinos are not bothered with their services which bothers their identity as well. I think if a casino puts a country on their restricted list then there's no way any registration from that country IP or when you fill the form, you put your country as a restricted one, the system would automatically reject your registration but of you say it didn't then one must be careful at such situations because if you deposit and they demand for KYC, your funds would go as your Country is banned or your details does not match with the accepted country requirements.

However, this might just be a scam in disguise and it will be very sad that such a casino experience was shared here and the casino is not known. So I will advise OP to share with the platform the website of that casino so that members will take caution and be careful with their dealings.

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For those who say that is the user's responsability to read the terms and conditions:

Really?? So you are only allowed to lose money without KYC? You can send crypto but not to withdraw. Of course, it is a basic marketing 101 strategy to remove all friction to enter and place it on the exit, but it is intolerable as a practice, it is a deception and a scam no matter what it says in its terms and conditions. For that matter, it is better to use casinos that operate through contracts openly, that is what this technology is being designed for.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on September 18, 2023, 10:31:39 PM

What you have to do, then, is to play at the few remaining casinos that don't ask for KYC or don't do it within limits, which you can see in this list:

Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements

I know that some of the people on the list who have a limit from which they ask for KYC at least until a year ago or so turned a blind eye, that is, the KYC in the ToS was more for show. But it is not the norm. Nowadays, KYC is becoming more and more common, and as they have explained to you, casinos make it easy to deposit but difficult to withdraw, including asking for KYC, something that happens even in fiat casinos.

Thanks, very useful thread! I totally agree.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 18, 2023, 04:58:00 PM

Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

Care to share the casino? Usually, KYC requirements are indicated on their ToS, not on their registration page. It usually scares away users after all and isn't really that advertising-friendly if they added it there.

OP should share it for the benefit of the community, it's a warning sign if a casino is not transparent in their terms of service and there's a hidden agenda, they should stipulate clearly what their users have to do and what is required to them if they are unclear they have the intention to victimize their players.
I don't trust casinos where the terms and how they do KYC, if they have restricted countries they should not allow users coming from these locations, or show a notification that they do not accept people from that region, they should be clear on this.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

Does the casino you describe state no KYC on their terms and condition because they are really shitty they stated no KYC yet they ask one.

But I believe your didn’t read ToS when you register and make deposit since this is most of the cases for newbie because ToS is too long to reas when you are excited to play. Casino is not responsible for your laziness on reading their ToS and same with restricted country since there’s always a way to bypass restrictions through the use of VPN.

We are responsible to all our action and it’s important to read ToS of the casino because that will always govern no matter how unfair it is since you agree on it when you successfully register in that particular casino.

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Casino not asking for Kyc to register? Or maybe those who signed up at the casino don't read the TOS that there is a KYC required? Because often the problems that are read are always the ones that the gamblers think that there is no KYC, but when there is an investigation, the problem is also with the complainant because he overlooked that it was written in the TOS.

That's why it's also important to somehow read this policy so that we don't come back just in case we have an issue with the casino in the end. I have read many such issues here in the forum, to be honest.

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I also miss the days when there was no KYC for crypto casinos, it was so much better back then (even tho we had less access to games and many of the casinos were broken af).
But as for teh system we have now, i prefer them not asking it right away (as long as i know i need to do it before withdrawal) because i go into a casino with the expectation that i will loose / bust 99% of the time. Should i somehow win enough to bother withdrawing, i wouldnt mind KYC.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2023, 11:58:02 PM

I think there are a lot of threads related to KYC in this gambling section and it seems like we all really understand KYC for its use advantages and disadvantages.

As OP said, and actually he can play as he likes in any casino that he feels can give him comfort and pleasure and regarding KYC on this forum there are many non-KYC casinos and also KYC-required casinos so you just have to choose which one you like the most.
I just remind you that if you want to register or play in a casino it would be better to read the Tos which are clearly stated in each casino so that if there is a policy related to KYC we all don't mind because there have been so many cases where the casino actually states the KYC requirements but the gambler doesn't read the Tos and when he wants to withdraw money he is asked for KYC instead the gambler says publicly that the casino has cheated him even though the KYC requirements are clearly stated in the Tos.

Believe me KYC can also be useful and if you have concerns about KYC then use a casino that has a non-KYC label.

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments. In my opinion, this only causes harm.
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure. And sometimes this can take quite a long time. Who needs this anyway? No one! This waste of your time just irritates me.
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments. This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general! In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos.
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path. This is very upsetting.

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This has been a major issue in the crypto gambling world for somethime now op and I am not expecting it to change anytime soon thanks to government interference through annoying regulations etc.

Tip: Invest in any crypto gambling site only if you are willing to submit KYC at any point.

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