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Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 71. (Read 12492 times)

sr. member
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Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

Most casinos follow the same pattern, some might not allow you to register if you are from a restricted country but they wouldn't stop you at the registration page to ask you for KYC verification and they will also allow you to make a deposit and gamble, but they might ask for KYC for withdrawals, that's a normal thing for centralized casinos these days.
sr. member
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That's a nonsense online casino, that rules should be included in their ToS not their registration form because it will make people think twice before signing up on such platform, also why are you even interested in using such casino? I've never heard about this casino before, why not use Stake or Fortune Jack?

It's possible that some unknown casinos, maybe new ones, are using this idea to seize peoples money, because if you can't comply to their regulatory rules you can kiss your money goodbye, but it's not a crime to comply if you want to gamble on any casino right now.

There is a better way to go about it, just pass the KYC requirements first, and make sure your credentials are passed and accepted before you deposit and start gambling on the platform, nothing is more relaxing than this strategy, no panic about losing funds, and no worries..
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This is what's wrong with casinos advertising themselves as 'no KYC'. It's just a gimmick that they're trying to portray, and they really are KYC casinos that are trying to market themselves to appeal to a lot of people. I'd avoid no KYC gambling platforms and just stick to the ones that are already known even though they have KYC. At least, they have no hidden agenda in being straightforward with their KYC requirements unlike platform that do not ask for one.
Agreed. It's the sad reality these days.No KYC gambling sites were actually strictly no-KYC sites in the past when crypto wasn't crazy popular due to which world governments didn't really pay a lot of attention to them.

Gamblers need to invest in any crypto gambling site only if they are willing to submit their KYC at any point later.
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This is what's wrong with casinos advertising themselves as 'no KYC'. It's just a gimmick that they're trying to portray, and they really are KYC casinos that are trying to market themselves to appeal to a lot of people. I'd avoid no KYC gambling platforms and just stick to the ones that are already known even though they have KYC. At least, they have no hidden agenda in being straightforward with their KYC requirements unlike platform that do not ask for one.
The OP is not alleging a no-KYC casino mandating KYC but was concerned about the casinos that will not ask for KYC in the beginning during registration and deposit but will later ask for it. I don't think there will be a specified no-KYC casino that would do that unless they are in for a scam. I personally do not deal with any no-KYC casino because the risk is too high for me and I make sure that I complete my KYC before even depositing a dime into any casino.
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this is usually the norm for crypto casinos now, as much as I don't like KYC in gambling it can't be helped as these casinos want to operate legally and in order for them to do that they would need a license to operate and follow the regulation that comes with the license. it is also why gamblers should make it a habit to read a gambling site's ToS before registering or depositing on a gambling site.

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments.  In my opinion, this only causes harm. 
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure.  And sometimes this can take quite a long time.  Who needs this anyway?  No one!  This waste of your time just irritates me. 
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments.  This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general!  In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos. 
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path.  This is very upsetting.
I completely agree with you but whether KYC can't be of any use in cryptocurrency payment or it contradicts the "essence" of cryptocurrency doesn't really matter to a lot of them, the gambling sites need to comply with the regulations if they want to keep their license.
Yeah!  It's clear. 
And now, when everyone is accustomed to the fact that with large payments in cryptocurrency, and sometimes even with small winnings in a casino, KYC is constantly required from you. 
I’m actually talking about those political forces, probably the banking lobby and the US security forces, who imposed on the entire world of cryptocurrencies the very need to undergo identity verification through the KYC procedure.  And all casinos, and crypto exchanges, and in general all crypto projects now treat this as a necessity.  But these are actually artificially created obstacles to the c irculation of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, which have nothing to do with the blockchain technology itself, but only destroy its advantage in the form of anonymous payments.  And these obstacles are created by specific people and politicians, naturally belonging to a very small group of people. 
They have ruined the entire blockchain technology due to the fact that they want to remain and be the main financial magnates in the world. 
And with the widespread introduction of KYC in cryptocurrencies, they succeeded.  I state this with regret because humanity has missed a great chance for financial freedom.
There's no way on getting out with those chains because on the time that the government do sees that they are really that behind when it comes to something. They would really be trying out their best to regulate
everything and since we know that crypto platforms would really be still involving fiat conversions and some banking related transactions then its no surprise that they would really be able to require these business to abide with the laws or rules given which it would really be leaving no choice into those business which it would really be passed up into its users.Somewehat even up to now which there are still known platforms which they dont really ask out even if you do win big amount which they could really be able to release it out without strings attached.

For those new casinos which they do have those alterations when it comes to their terms and conditions then its a bit shady or making out some lock ups without knowing on whats the actual reason
and making some alibi about some violation which it is really that a shit situation to be locked or experienced it out.
legendary
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this is usually the norm for crypto casinos now, as much as I don't like KYC in gambling it can't be helped as these casinos want to operate legally and in order for them to do that they would need a license to operate and follow the regulation that comes with the license. it is also why gamblers should make it a habit to read a gambling site's ToS before registering or depositing on a gambling site.

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments.  In my opinion, this only causes harm. 
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure.  And sometimes this can take quite a long time.  Who needs this anyway?  No one!  This waste of your time just irritates me. 
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments.  This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general!  In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos. 
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path.  This is very upsetting.
I completely agree with you but whether KYC can't be of any use in cryptocurrency payment or it contradicts the "essence" of cryptocurrency doesn't really matter to a lot of them, the gambling sites need to comply with the regulations if they want to keep their license.
Yeah!  It's clear. 
And now, when everyone is accustomed to the fact that with large payments in cryptocurrency, and sometimes even with small winnings in a casino, KYC is constantly required from you. 
I’m actually talking about those political forces, probably the banking lobby and the US security forces, who imposed on the entire world of cryptocurrencies the very need to undergo identity verification through the KYC procedure.  And all casinos, and crypto exchanges, and in general all crypto projects now treat this as a necessity.  But these are actually artificially created obstacles to the c irculation of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, which have nothing to do with the blockchain technology itself, but only destroy its advantage in the form of anonymous payments.  And these obstacles are created by specific people and politicians, naturally belonging to a very small group of people. 
They have ruined the entire blockchain technology due to the fact that they want to remain and be the main financial magnates in the world. 
And with the widespread introduction of KYC in cryptocurrencies, they succeeded.  I state this with regret because humanity has missed a great chance for financial freedom.
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OK, I'll share it since so many of you ask for it (Edit in the OP):
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

That casino doesn't seems a very reputed one to me because they don't have their announcement thread on Bitcointalk
Good point. If only more people would use bitcointalk as a reference, they'd do better.

As for my point: it's not about the KYC requirement, it's about they would take you're money happily without it.

never heard that casino though. this is i believe the advantage of most forum gamblers, they won't play on casinos they can't find in the forum. because you can already find reputable casinos and bookies here. also, you can get good support in case you encountered a prob. so why would you go outside the sites that are known to be reputable here? some are taking the bait of these never-heard casinos because of the perks or bonuses they are offering. but you will only get screwed if you fall for their trap.

I too have not heard about this casino and have not come across it here on this platform before. The name sounds new to me as I am just seeing it for the first time here and I do not think their presence is registered here as well because if they are here, I think their attention would have been drawn to that aspect of their terms and condition to make amend on it which would have been better for them.

It is always so that casino would tell you to deposit without anything to hinder you from playing with them and making wins but when it is time to make withdrawal, they start their show of who are you? and making you to go through verification processes depending on the amount which you would want to withdraw. Know this that you can not play and make big wins on a centralized casino and go Scot free without them looking for a fault to stop you from making withdrawals of your wins.
legendary
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This is what's wrong with casinos advertising themselves as 'no KYC'. It's just a gimmick that they're trying to portray, and they really are KYC casinos that are trying to market themselves to appeal to a lot of people. I'd avoid no KYC gambling platforms and just stick to the ones that are already known even though they have KYC. At least, they have no hidden agenda in being straightforward with their KYC requirements unlike platform that do not ask for one.
legendary
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Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.
If the casino did not include KYC procedures stated in their ToS, then they’d be wrong for it but if they did then the players just missed it out and will be left with no other choice but to comply in order to withdraw his funds. If there is an option to send tokens or your funds to other players in that platform who is trustworthy, try convincing the other player to do the KYC for you in exchange for a percentage of your money. Problem is determining which one would be trustworthy to make this happen. But if you are not open for such option then that would be the end of the line before you submit and comply with the procedure. I do hope as well that OP would be able to pull his funds out since he’s no longer being comfortable due to the changes created by the platform.
legendary
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Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.
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Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
You seem to have read alot of advice and suggestions posted by experienced gamblers on this forum based on how you check if the casino will require KYC before allowing their user to make a withdrawal because some newbies to members easily fall for this type of casino.
The second red flag is the casino allowing people from the geographical location where their service is banned to register an account which they will later lock the account after the user deposit which shows the casino to be looking for every means to embezzle funds from their users.

I agree to what you say. To add, all casinos have the same rule that they can ask for KYC. It's in all of their ToS. The difference is that some casinos don't ask for KYC. Here are KYC rankings. 1 equals that they will rarely ask for KYC upon a payout request.  5 equals mandatory. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1-ratings-of-bitcoin-sportsbooks-since-2014-kyc-rankings-bonuses-scam-accus-717790
Different strokes for different folks. We have a casino that requires KYC and we have some that don't require KYC but the drawback is that some of the casinos that didn't require KYC have a high chance of running away with their user fund.
Having said that, all casinos don't have the same rules, and casinos that have the same rules are those that come from the same jurisdiction or share almost the Master license holder.
legendary
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OK, I'll share it since so many of you ask for it (Edit in the OP):
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

That casino doesn't seems a very reputed one to me because they don't have their announcement thread on Bitcointalk
Good point. If only more people would use bitcointalk as a reference, they'd do better.

As for my point: it's not about the KYC requirement, it's about they would take you're money happily without it.

never heard that casino though. this is i believe the advantage of most forum gamblers, they won't play on casinos they can't find in the forum. because you can already find reputable casinos and bookies here. also, you can get good support in case you encountered a prob. so why would you go outside the sites that are known to be reputable here? some are taking the bait of these never-heard casinos because of the perks or bonuses they are offering. but you will only get screwed if you fall for their trap.
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OK, I'll share it since so many of you ask for it (Edit in the OP):
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

That casino doesn't seems a very reputed one to me because they don't have their announcement thread on Bitcointalk
Good point. If only more people would use bitcointalk as a reference, they'd do better.

As for my point: it's not about the KYC requirement, it's about they would take you're money happily without it.
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OK, I'll share it since so many of you ask for it (Edit in the OP):
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

That casino doesn't seems a very reputed one to me because they don't have their announcement thread on Bitcointalk and the casinos that doesn't have announcements threads on this forum are services that I can't trust. I don't think that going with a casino like that is a good step and we can't expect anything better from such casinos.

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Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable
Well, it's always mandatory to complete the KYC verification on most of the casinos as they need those documents due to license restrictions. The well known casinos have higher limits while the less known ones could have limits like 2k or even less than that. Unfortunately, that KYC is something we can't ignore in the world of online gambling because most of the famous casinos require that information and we have to provide that information if we want to utilize their services.
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Can you share the name of that casino site?
By the way, sometimes it is also us, the gamblers who don't want to read the Terms and Conditions of that casino considering the TL;DR format, but we forget that they may come up with anything when they want to stop you from withdrawing from their website. It is always advisable to read such things for our own safety. And then, there are casinos where newbie gamblers fall for big bonuses, but they don't know the intentions of that casino and when the casino manages to gather a big amount, it stops giving withdrawals. Stay very cautious these days and try to play on casinos where everything gets resolved quickly. Check Ask gamblers with all types of casinos.
Exactly, please share the name of the casino site because hearsay may often times be contradictory.
Have you also considered the possibility that perhaps you were only allowed access to the site's first page which is open to everyone and would be activated ones you get to fund your account, and it may require KYC verification as part of completing the registration process, before you can withdraw you wins?

I would like to say that it is good to use an online casino that at least one or two persons use, of whom you know and can easily reach for directions or support.

OK, I'll share it since so many of you ask for it (Edit in the OP):
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

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Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

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El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable
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Can you share the name of that casino site?
By the way, sometimes it is also us, the gamblers who don't want to read the Terms and Conditions of that casino considering the TL;DR format, but we forget that they may come up with anything when they want to stop you from withdrawing from their website. It is always advisable to read such things for our own safety. And then, there are casinos where newbie gamblers fall for big bonuses, but they don't know the intentions of that casino and when the casino manages to gather a big amount, it stops giving withdrawals. Stay very cautious these days and try to play on casinos where everything gets resolved quickly. Check Ask gamblers with all types of casinos.
Exactly, please share the name of the casino site because hearsay may often times be contradictory.
Have you also considered the possibility that perhaps you were only allowed access to the site's first page which is open to everyone and would be activated ones you get to fund your account, and it may require KYC verification as part of completing the registration process, before you can withdraw you wins?

I would like to say that it is good to use an online casino that at least one or two persons use, of whom you know and can easily reach for directions or support.
legendary
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Can you share the name of that casino site?
By the way, sometimes it is also us, the gamblers who don't want to read the Terms and Conditions of that casino considering the TL;DR format, but we forget that they may come up with anything when they want to stop you from withdrawing from their website. It is always advisable to read such things for our own safety. And then, there are casinos where newbie gamblers fall for big bonuses, but they don't know the intentions of that casino and when the casino manages to gather a big amount, it stops giving withdrawals. Stay very cautious these days and try to play on casinos where everything gets resolved quickly. Check Ask gamblers with all types of casinos.
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Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.
You did well for sharing this,  as to warn newbies from failing into this wrong casinos that sometime may end up locking the players funds and preventing them from withdrawing them from the casino,  meanwhile at first they never indicated that kyc is mandatory.


But let me share with you an easy way to detect such scammyshit when you spot them,  first try read through their term of service and check how their have being complying with it,  and also try the check if the deposit feature are open without demands for kyc or phone/email verifications.
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I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
The truth is that what is the point of trying to deposits or play in a casino where you will not be able to withdraw your winning anyways,  because even though you meet their kyc demand their may chose just to lock your balance since that was their initial plans.
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Some scammy sites also like to do request KYC once you are trying to withdraw profits, as long as you are in the red all time getting some minor withdrawals processed seems to be no problem, even without KYC.

But once you are in the green your withdrawal is halted and you receive the email. Lucky if they process it after a successful KYC and not come up with some wild accusations such as multiple accounts, bonus abuse, arbitrage betting and so on, of course without providing any evidence supporting their claim, as usual.

Sad developments these days.

Centralized gambling already implements KYC rules due to factors tied to regulations, but most users have accepted the TOS addition to the point of requiring KYC for all categories of users but some other users are against KYC rules and they want anonymity in their account bio. However, they have no other choice to gamble on centralized gambling if they don't verify the KYC of the account, and yes there is no problem if we register an account on top gambling that is recommended and trusted, but the scam case on new gambling has damaged the reputation of top gambling, they assume the site Centralized gambling can no longer be trusted due to the impact of the scam problem on new gambling.

There are many cases of scams in new gambling because they change the TOS rules for reasons of blaming users, they block accounts and withdraw funds, so be careful choosing a gambling site and make sure you have checked reputation, security, reviews from users, usually top gambling sites have sponsored clubs famous footballers and world artists.
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That's what happens when you find ToS to be too long and stressful to read, before using any online gambling websites you need to ask the team or customer services about KYC requirements or look for a online casino that are KYC free, you can get details online about this or ask questions on this forum.

I have learned different lessons with online casinos, some ask for KYC details after you win some amount of money and some ask for KYC details after you successfully deposit on their platform, to avoid panic attacks it's better to try passing KYC verification first before using any online casinos.

If KYC is something you don't want to get involved with, then do some research on lists of gambling websites that are KYC free, mind you, just because a casino is KYC free today doesn't mean it will forever be this way, some have suddenly started asking for KYC details in the past and they said to have been forced by regulators.
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