Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 70.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 20, 2023, 02:50:32 AM

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

In as much as I agree with you, I will still point out that, a casino that really wanna be true in terms of legitimacy, should never allow a gambler deposit money without first passing kyc verification, if they know they won't allow the same user withdraw same money without passing kyc verification.

Take for example, recently, the drivers license which is the document I used in verifying my account on binance expired, I believed I had no issue since I've already verified my binance account years back before the document expired, but that same week my drivers license expired, I was to deposit some Bitcoin to binance, but I discovered Ive been locked out completely, I can deposit nor withdraw, I was asked to submit my renewed drivers license, or go through another verification process with a new document that isnt expired ..
And since I was yet to apply for my drivers license to be renewed, I had to re-verify my account with my national id card before binance allowed me to deposit ..

They probably would have just allowed me deposit , and then refuse me from withdrawing, which is very bad if you ask me .

Same way you bank account will stop working if your documents used expired and you haven't replaced or renew it, but then also we have to learn a very important lesson from this, which is that, but not allowing you not to be able to carry out any activities on the exchange due to expiration of your driver license is a show of the exchange legitimacy and authenticity because if the allow you to deposit and your money get stocked in there, it will be a different situation altogether and any platform that allows for such free access is likely to end up scaming at the end.

Because that shows that they never care about the security of the user account and that their concern about is the deposit they want to receive.

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Just because a casino asks for KYC as soon as you are making your first withdrawal that does not make it a scam. In fact, from my experience that's how most casinos that require KYC operate. They initially let you register and deposit up to a certain limit or until you make your first withdrawal, after which you are required to complete the KYC.

In most cases, you would have been required to complete a KYC anyway at some point while playing at that casino, and it's not like they only ask it to people who are requesting a withdrawal. I am referring to casinos in general, not talking here about the casino that was mentioned in OP. All of this should be mentioned in their T&C, so make sure you read it carefully before registering and making a deposit.

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You can not complain when it is stated clearly in their TOS. Every casino requires KYC because of some law put on them by the government where they are located. But I think the problem here is that they ask for KYC only before withdrawals and not before deposits. If they are serious about their security concerns, they should ask for KYC before deposits and not when you are trying to make a withdrawal.

Seems fishy but who knows what kind of security measurements they are taking for them to ask for KYC on withdraw? If you feel like they are not legit and could turn out to be a scam, then there are other reputable gambling platforms that you can choose from. Always choose one that is here for a long time and will stay in the future too.

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Generally, and also in this case... it's useless blame casino or operator because rules allow them to have these kinds of policies.
The same applies also with FIAT casino or bookmaker. I think that the only solution is always... be ready to complete KYC!
Of course avoid betting from a banned country and use VPN etc etc...

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Quote from: Broadanbig on September 20, 2023, 06:50:18 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 20, 2023, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: cafter on September 20, 2023, 03:22:20 AM

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

Many people fail to do as you have said here. They barely read through policies, terms and conditions of casinos before engaging and most times as a result of bonus and other enticing events ongoing, they assume that the casino would not be that strict since they are looking for members and they will be at firm grips of their assets but they forget that the casino might the casino is also a business that seeks to gain more profit and in that course would go to any length to secure funds for themselves free of charge and the members that failed to read the casino policies would be the ones to fall prey of such trap. This is the reason why prospective participants are advised to always take their time to read through terms and conditions of service so as not to have any issues in the nearest future with the casino.

Before I didn't read the Tos, for me it was like accepting a story where they didn't say such important things, I didn't give it importance, and because I saw that there were many things and well, I'm lazy if I can read that, I'm one of those who likes it accept things and play, but doing so now is a danger because you don't know what you are accepted and a casino can put all its rules, the ones we don't like in there and once we accept those things we have to comply with them, a casino that having the KYC is something that is normal, it is bad but it is already mandatory for everything, that is why it is important to read the Tos because we do not know what we are getting into.

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I am happy that I have chosen a few casinos that I keep playing on and happy that I am done with their KYC levels also. So far looks good. If they leak my KYC info when I get old and wait for my death, then they can do any shit thing they want with it. Lolz.
I am not sure why this is so critical for many peeps when they expose it. First thing, if you have the guts to invest in a gambling site then be ready to enter in strict environment of the financial ecosystem. You will be asked for KYC, you will lose a hell lot of money, and you will also few times win big rolls. I think that's what gambling is. If you can't just digest the fact that the casino is going to ask you for KYC sometime in the future, then there is no need to be cry baby about it. It's already covered in their policies all the time. They always put rules in such a way that they can get bent at any time in the future. Just trust a casino and get started with it man.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 18, 2023, 07:32:05 PM

Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 05:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

This might be trapped by shady casinos. As far as I know reputable casinos prevent people from registering the moment they detected the IP of the person belonging to that banned region. they can even give you a message that the page of the casino won't load because your region is restricted.

We should always read the TOS regarding deposits and withdrawals. I believe the rules will be clearly stated on that page unless the casino is shady that it deliberately don't list the rulings of KY upon withdrawal on their TOS.

Right indeed. As far as I know, casinos have their set of TOS that we are obliged to read so that in instances that they suddenly require KYC, at least we’re aware that it’s listed on their TOS, and not jump to conclusion that this casino is a red flag. Sometimes, it’s not the casino that is really at fault but it’s on the gamblers that are hunger with profits and are lazy to read the terms and conditions before playing their games.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 20, 2023, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: cafter on September 20, 2023, 03:22:20 AM

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

Many people fail to do as you have said here. They barely read through policies, terms and conditions of casinos before engaging and most times as a result of bonus and other enticing events ongoing, they assume that the casino would not be that strict since they are looking for members and they will be at firm grips of their assets but they forget that the casino might the casino is also a business that seeks to gain more profit and in that course would go to any length to secure funds for themselves free of charge and the members that failed to read the casino policies would be the ones to fall prey of such trap. This is the reason why prospective participants are advised to always take their time to read through terms and conditions of service so as not to have any issues in the nearest future with the casino.

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Quote from: cafter on September 20, 2023, 03:22:20 AM

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

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It's not the casino's fault, this is why beginners need to read T/S before they start gambling on any casinos, if you are referred by a friend you need to ask them if the casino needs KYC, normally they won't tell you or make you go through KYC process like crypto exchanges that will bug you with KYC verification alerts.

KYC regulations are not evil like some people believe, asking for KYC does not mean the casino is trying to rob you or use your information for illegal purposes behind your back.

To keep a casino running smoothly, KYC regulations are important for ensuring fair play and maintaining a fair gambling platform.

KYC also prevent frauds and money laundering, they need your identity to stop illicit fund flows, another thing about KYC is to prevent underage individuals from gambling on their platform.

From now on, just know that KYC and Casinos are one, they don't need to make you verify yourself after you registered on their platforms, but when you deposit and plan to withdraw you will be asked to go through KYC registration.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 05:54:00 PM

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.

If the casino did not include KYC procedures stated in their ToS, then they’d be wrong for it but if they did then the players just missed it out and will be left with no other choice but to comply in order to withdraw his funds. If there is an option to send tokens or your funds to other players in that platform who is trustworthy, try convincing the other player to do the KYC for you in exchange for a percentage of your money. Problem is determining which one would be trustworthy to make this happen. But if you are not open for such option then that would be the end of the line before you submit and comply with the procedure. I do hope as well that OP would be able to pull his funds out since he’s no longer being comfortable due to the changes created by the platform.

It's no secret now that a lot of casinos take up this practice. There might be some that take KYC legitimately, however I think the intent behind KYC is more about the profit of locked balances, taking sensitive personal documents and information, and other shady practices than it is for regulations and legitimacy.

Yes some take that because they want to have reason not to pay their winners especially the amount involve is so huge that's why those non KYC compliant casino surprisingly ask that because they want to delay the process and to see if they can find a mistake to user so that they can't pay the amount ask by the player. This is bad action that's why we need to know as early as we can so that we will not ask a surprise Kyc procedure and can make sure that we can get our prize.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 20, 2023, 03:17:47 AM

Interestingly their FAQ doesn't list the United States among the countries you're not allowed to play from. I've never seen that from a casino with a Curacao license unless it's something like Stake which redirects you to a different version of their casino if you're in the USA.

They even have a USA phone number for support. It could be fake, though.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 20, 2023, 02:50:32 AM

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

Most casinos follow the same pattern, some might not allow you to register if you are from a restricted country but they wouldn't stop you at the registration page to ask you for KYC verification and they will also allow you to make a deposit and gamble, but they might ask for KYC for withdrawals, that's a normal thing for centralized casinos these days.

It's true that they have the same pattern in banning certain countries, but that doesn't mean their requirements and regulations are the same, sometimes there are different regulations and requirements, especially as they are always updated, we can't rely on anyone for our money, so it's best to read for yourself about the requirements and regulations in the casino itself and do not rely on third parties.

Being lazy about reading only makes us less informed and detrimental to ourselves, therefore the importance of reading the rules and requirements in casinos is very important. Moreover, talking about KYC will never end, if you want to be safe from KYC, play as a small gambler with small bets. so that it doesn't create problems with KYC, if you want to be a big gambler with big bets then read all the casino terms and regulations before playing and make sure the casino is trusted and safe.

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Quote from: Yatsan on September 19, 2023, 07:12:28 PM

Quote from: BenCodie on September 19, 2023, 05:56:34 PM

Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 05:54:00 PM

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.

If the casino did not include KYC procedures stated in their ToS, then they’d be wrong for it but if they did then the players just missed it out and will be left with no other choice but to comply in order to withdraw his funds. If there is an option to send tokens or your funds to other players in that platform who is trustworthy, try convincing the other player to do the KYC for you in exchange for a percentage of your money. Problem is determining which one would be trustworthy to make this happen. But if you are not open for such option then that would be the end of the line before you submit and comply with the procedure. I do hope as well that OP would be able to pull his funds out since he’s no longer being comfortable due to the changes created by the platform.

I would generally agree with you, if I hadn't seen so many cases where even after players do KYC, their account remains locked or in some cases, the account is deleted and support ceases (which then is not just theft of crypto, but identity theft).

It's no secret now that a lot of casinos take up this practice. There might be some that take KYC legitimately, however I think the intent behind KYC is more about the profit of locked balances, taking sensitive personal documents and information, and other shady practices than it is for regulations and legitimacy.

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Quote from: cafter on September 20, 2023, 03:22:20 AM

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

This is why they are prone to commit such avoidable mistake sin e they didn't read the important details while trying to start playing on a casino. They didn't know that it could save more time for them if they just read the TOS in a day and away from possible problems that been encountered by lazy people. If KYC feature is been ask then its fine as long as a reputable and government compliant ask this since we may have some assurance that they make sure that we are safe.

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Sorry to hear that @OP, but sadly the one should be blamed is you because the casino already wrote if they restrict Spain in their terms.

I did try to use VPN in a country where they restrict, but I can't access it and they give a warning message.

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The website is not supported in this country. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.

The developer might forget to restrict Spain IP address, but we can't do much except contacting the customer service to fix this.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 20, 2023, 03:11:10 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on September 20, 2023, 02:50:32 AM

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

In as much as I agree with you, I will still point out that, a casino that really wanna be true in terms of legitimacy, should never allow a gambler deposit money without first passing kyc verification, if they know they won't allow the same user withdraw same money without passing kyc verification.

Take for example, recently, the drivers license which is the document I used in verifying my account on binance expired, I believed I had no issue since I've already verified my binance account years back before the document expired, but that same week my drivers license expired, I was to deposit some Bitcoin to binance, but I discovered Ive been locked out completely, I can deposit nor withdraw, I was asked to submit my renewed drivers license, or go through another verification process with a new document that isnt expired ..
And since I was yet to apply for my drivers license to be renewed, I had to re-verify my account with my national id card before binance allowed me to deposit ..

They probably would have just allowed me deposit , and then refuse me from withdrawing, which is very bad if you ask me .

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it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

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Interestingly their FAQ doesn't list the United States among the countries you're not allowed to play from. I've never seen that from a casino with a Curacao license unless it's something like Stake which redirects you to a different version of their casino if you're in the USA.

It would be unfeasible for a casino to KYC and verify every single person who registers. Some people just want to test the site out with a small amount of money and might never reach the withdrawal minimum. KYC compliance isn't cheap so I can see why it is only applied when you try to withdraw. Even if a site has KYC terms oftentimes you caan still play and withdraw without being asked for documents until you make a large withdrawal or do something suspicious like creating multiple accounts. I don't know how El Royale Casino operates but just to be safe I would advise anyone who wants to play there to read their terms carefully and be prepared for the possibility of being KYC’d.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 20, 2023, 02:50:32 AM

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

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