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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

For the most part most bounties that I have seen have included a rule for a long time that allows them to change any rule whenever they want and that includes KYC policies and even the size of the bounty itself, since that rule is there from the beginning technically you cannot accuse them of cheating at all since you accepted those conditions, however it is an extremely dishonest thing to do as we know that the majority of the members of the forum are against KYC policies and that kind of behaviour is a huge red flag for anyone thinking on investing their time or their money in such project.

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Well, it can not be seen as cheating because they exchange is not owned by the project. Also, if they list on the exchange and send your tokens to your private wallet, you will still need to pass kyc before you can withdraw if you decide to sell your tokens on the same exchange they listed on. So no cheating here. Its just a process that you need to follow.

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Quote from: bassbity on April 14, 2020, 10:14:27 AM

The rules have become common where a manager wants to change the rules at any time to maintain security in the campaign, therefore if we do not violate it is no problem doing what the manager wants then you will receive the token.

This is normally happening in most of the campaigns today just for additional security measures. We should understand the bounty manager because he has all the right to change the rules either in the middle or at the end of the campaign specially if its included in the rules upon joining it. Cheating only happens if we will not received the said rewards we supposed to have.

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The rules have become common where a manager wants to change the rules at any time to maintain security in the campaign, therefore if we do not violate it is no problem doing what the manager wants then you will receive the token.

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Quote from: litepool.ru on April 14, 2020, 06:33:32 AM

Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on April 14, 2020, 06:11:23 AM

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

I don't see anything too special. If they require us to KYC in exchange to receive tokens, it is also a normal request. I also saw TEM bounty before, they asked KYC participants at coinall and then sent a screenshot to be verified. Everything happened quickly and smoothly

Maybe it is normal for you but for some, it is not normal. Most users here do not want to have kyc because we don't have even the slightest idea where they will take the confidentiality of our identity. There are cases that identities were being sold in the black market and that is one of the reasons why some users do not want to have kyc.

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

You can avoid this easily, all you need to do is find reputable bounty managers on this forum to start following, this doesn't mean you should join all bounties from the bounty managers, you still need to do better research on the projects first, few bounty hunters never like changing rules after bounty starts, most especially KYC

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

It's true and it was the new norm in the most bounty campaigns today they can easily change the rules that favor's to them without the consideration of its participants for me that was cheating since they don't include it to the written rules, such as the "KYC" requirements because not all participants can provide KYC requirements, like Passport, Drivers license National ID, etc. in that case all of those sweat and effort will be wasted. the consequences are low but, if all the participants were united to a common goal it will surely affect and felt by the team who runs the project. but I believe some bounty campaigns are still honest and committed to their bounty participants.

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Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on April 14, 2020, 06:11:23 AM

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

I don't see anything too special. If they require us to KYC in exchange to receive tokens, it is also a normal request. I also saw TEM bounty before, they asked KYC participants at coinall and then sent a screenshot to be verified. Everything happened quickly and smoothly

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Quote from: zero714309 on April 14, 2020, 02:39:47 AM

Quote from: khiholangkang on April 14, 2020, 02:30:09 AM

It depends on the rules that were made from the beginning. Usually projects write "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything"
So we cannot blame them if they change the rules in the middle or the end.

You right. But sometimes some bounty hunter dont even care about this rules. If we join campaign we should all the rules so we can anticipate for bad possibility.

There is nothing right in this. The rules should not apply to KYC. This is a very sensitive part of the bounty campaign and should not be altered once stated.
A lot of bounty hunters that have come across this in the past try to avoid such odd situation by asking the bounty manager or ask the project team directly on if there will later be KYC for bounty hunters

Well, sometimes it is inevitable, but I always like it when it is clearly stated that KYC will not be required. With that, I think the participant will be cleared.

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If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

According to the rules, they can change it whenever they want. So it's not fraud, they can do everything to ensure transparency and safety for everyone participating in their bounty. I used to join a lot of bounty that didn't require KYC, but until the end of the campaign they changed KYC rules and requirements. But that is not so important, just overcome it and get the token

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

Well it all depends on what the terms and conditions of the campaign is. If it's clearly stated that the terms and conditions or any adjustments could be made to the rules of the campaign at any time for a better operation then you can't blame the manager for inputting such requirements as that's been done most times to combat scammers and cheaters wanting to profit from other genuine hunters.

On a general note, I won't call it cheating considering it won't after genuine hunters but since the cheaters must have used multiple account to abuse the campaign they're usually those who get angered more about such development with few users that area security conscious.

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You have to familiarize yourself with that friend. a few years after ICO, quite a lot of devs really liked to change the rules they made, and I felt that it was a bad decision, because it was not professional. but, you must still follow their conditions. cheating or not, only you can decide.

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Quote from: Question123 on April 14, 2020, 04:03:52 AM

I think the team is their fault and not the particioants because first of all you said that they join because they did not required KYC in the first place but after that they need to pass KYC a particpants need to ask them why they now requiring it is totally unfair.

Maybe the participants are scared to pass the identity they have because there is a lot of people who use the information of others to do a scamming.

Thanks, I believe changing NO to YES is cheating, once a bounty campaign said there is no need for KYC they shouldn't try changing that again, many bounty hunters promote projects because they have no KYC requirements, ultimately you waste their time for nothing

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Hunters are not insured. So they are liable to face any changes in rules in any campaign. Every campaign do have a special note on their thread that they have the right to change terms anytime they like. Although such things are not good, but there is nothing hunters can do.

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Can you provide the project link,
What project is that...!
Are you talking about the main rules not KYC, after the project is completed plus KYC is applied...! That means...instead they send tokens with the Kyc process.

If so what is the name of the project,,,and who manages the project, can you give ANN here.
I often see projects like that, at the end of the scam.

If, proven they are cheating or cheating, the place deserves reputation.

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It is not cheating. They are making adjustments more likely for the betterment of the project and for the bounty participants themselves. I think, adjustments of as such is to avoid multiple accounts. KYC requires information that would more likely assure that a single account is just linked to an invidual . Those who would be complaining with the rules are more likely the ones who are not following the rules, as simple as that. Sending of KYC won't cost you much of your time so things should be fine. I did find it hard before but when I realized that some participants are abusing signature campaigns or bounty projects , I do now agree to such adjustments.

Also, bounty managers are capable of making adjustments and changes in which for them would make the projects their handle, better, which makes this valid.

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Quote from: Towerbreeze on April 14, 2020, 02:10:01 AM

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

While yes, I agree, some projects have used KYC as a means to cheat participants, you have to look at the other side as well.
Around 30% of bounty participants are fake/alt accounts, and by using KYC, the projects hope to filter them out.

Also, in some campaigns, alot of bots join some easy campaigns like telegram or twitter, so kyc is the only way to remove them

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Well, I understand your point, but what can one do than to comply; this is now a trending event and when you ask to know why there is a change in rules you will be remained that "the bounty manager and team can change the rules". So I think, one should be prepared for anything both from the bounty manager and the team in order not to be at the receiving end or miss out after a long period of time.

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I think the team is their fault and not the particioants because first of all you said that they join because they did not required KYC in the first place but after that they need to pass KYC a particpants need to ask them why they now requiring it is totally unfair.

Maybe the participants are scared to pass the identity they have because there is a lot of people who use the information of others to do a scamming.

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