Topic: Cheating or Not? - page 6. (Read 1283 times)
Sometimes there are indeed a number of projects that announce information to do KYC at the end of the campaign, there are many actually and one of them is extending the duration of the bounty campaign. But I think if the project is legit or the results obtained are big enough, it doesn't matter. If it has become a policy to get our bounty as participants, only accept it and do it.
Cheating or NOT Cheating?
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
The worst cheating I've ever experience in the time of my bounty participating period. The project that I promoted has become successful and I could have get a lot of money when they gave me my rewards but instead, they want to cheat to their participants and went unto the KYC method to get their reward. This results in the loss of most of the bounty participant's reward. Do you know the worst part is? the bounty manager didn't do anything about it.
It's a little unfair, but that's their rule. They can change anytime they want and if they feel not transparent about their campaign. They can ask everyone to KYC to receive bounty, you can personally accept and overcome it or abandon bounty. It all depends on your decision
Depending on the regulations that the project made in the beginning, some apply Kyc and others do not.
they also create kyc rules, although they are not mandatory.
then you must read the rules first.you can only make a complaint at the end when there are problems with the kyc later.
I don't think there is such a punishment on this forum.
they also create kyc rules, although they are not mandatory.
then you must read the rules first.you can only make a complaint at the end when there are problems with the kyc later.
I don't think there is such a punishment on this forum.
Cheating or NOT Cheating?
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
This is a deliberate cheating. If promoters of such projects declared the need for KYC from the very beginning, they would attract several times fewer participants to bounty. Unfortunately, the rules for bounty indicate that promoters can change the rules at their own discretion, which means that they did not formally cheat, but in fact it is a cheat and dishonest attitude to bounty participants. Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
It clearly depends on how they portray their rules. If they do mention in the beginning that their rules can be altered through out the campaign/promotion period then it cannot be called as cheating but yeah if they don't mention that the rule can be altered and then alter the rules then I think it can be called as a scam.
There is no consequences to that because at the moment you join any bounty you have agreed to abide by their rules with any changes that comes. Although it might seems as not been honest but there is no choice.
Something cheating and few maintain the team rules, even if there was fixed rules team can change anything at anytime then we can't nothing to do. But some Project make kyc announced after promoting finish so my thinking this cheating rules.
Cheating or NOT Cheating?
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
We can call it cheat there do it for cheating purpose. Although most of projects hasn't real excuse why have to pass KYC, what was agreed that don't need. Most of the time to follow countries rules KYC rules is mandatory only few times for scammer. Without showing the main reason, of course this is cheater steps. Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
Have you forgotten that you agreed to all rules and regulations guiding the bounty once you filled the form? So since you agreed, you are subject to whatever the team and the bounty manager decides, it's funny and disheartening atimes but that's how it goes. So in essence, it is not cheating, rather it is the parties involved invoking or revoking the rules they want and believe is good, and hence it is better to be ready always for whatever (rules) that comes out from every bounty as a participant.
Cheating or NOT Cheating?
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
This cannot be considered as cheating since most of the bounties mentioned that they can change the rules at any time but this is really shady and no legit project will do that for any reason, if they wanted they will ask them upfront before starting your promotion. Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
I'm not blaming anyone, but the point we can conclude is the decision of the project manager and the project team itself. as we know that every project is sometimes unexpected, I mean included in the project rules that can change at any time, and as prize hunters we can only follow the rules of the project.
It is clearly not cheating.
In your statement, you have indicated that they do not require the participants who promote the project to have KYC verification but you have also indicated that they told the participants to open an account to the exchange and pass the KYC verification. If they don't own the exchange, it is not cheating since KYC verification will always depend on the exchange if they require it or not, even if the developers said that they do not require it you still have to pass the KYC on that exchange if you want to sell your reward.
In your statement, you have indicated that they do not require the participants who promote the project to have KYC verification but you have also indicated that they told the participants to open an account to the exchange and pass the KYC verification. If they don't own the exchange, it is not cheating since KYC verification will always depend on the exchange if they require it or not, even if the developers said that they do not require it you still have to pass the KYC on that exchange if you want to sell your reward.
if they do that without agreement, sure they cheating, but as long as i know, in every campaign, bounty manager or core team have right to change rules, and they including it at agreement section in every bounty thread they made. And thats not a new thing in bounty campaign, and its okey for me as long as the project is legit.
Yes they can change the rules any times as its stated in the Original post when they participated in a campaign. If the manager agree they will not ask for a kyc in the first time you join then thats different things, however since they are able to change rules any time you still required to follow what they change. Even yoh dont like it, the only option you can do now is whether accept and make the kyc or forget your payment and do not make any kyc.In the real world:
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The Court put the situation pretty simply: "The safeway.com agreement did not give Safeway the power to bind its customers to unknown future contract terms, because consumers cannot assent to terms that do not yet exist. A user confronting a contract in which she purports to agree to terms in whatever form they may appear in the future cannot know to what she is are agreeing."
Source: Koepke, 2015 
That is a different rule.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.
Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.
if it's like you said, I think it does have a different and understandable case. however, there are some projects that sometimes do not mention KYC when it starts, but in the end, they require it. Well, I think that is cheating to attract bounties and investors. You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.
Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.
That is a different rule.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.
Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.
Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.
Well, this act is cheating or not is debatable but i am sure it is unethical and falls in the category of exploiting the workers so one can say it is agai st the global labor laws and it is like depriving the worker of his due reward after the work has been done.
That can be considered as an unethical act by the developers. I have seen some projects that already made a change at the end of the campaign. As far as i know, if spycee was also doing it but it doesn't put strict verification. The hunters must know about what risk they have faced it. They must deal with any risk in the campaign. Cheating or NOT Cheating?
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.
The thing is that, in most of the cases, it is what the developers ask the bounty manager to do that will stand. Initially it may not be part of the rules, but probably when the team see that the project received a lot of attention from the investors, they may decide to introduce KYC, which at times is to get rid of some people who might have been in possession of their token/coin illegally or hunters that with multiple accounts. In few occasions, the power of KYC might be delegated to the bounty manager who would have included it in the bounty rules in most of the cases.
We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.
There were campaigns doing that also in bitcointalk, I think I was part of one campaign way back. The project didn't succeed though but the data we had have been submitted to them. Who knows what they could to do to the information they got. Its not cheating but they trick you to promote their project yet they do have a find print on their rules that they may change it whenever they like.
We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.
Yes mate, if the bounty manager changes the rules at the last minute of the bounty then I think he is suspecting fraud and he wants everything to be clearer. I have no idea with KYC, if it is a good project and a good reward then I will go through it quickly. Jump to: