That seems a bit bizzare, who wouldnt given the chance want to work with Carlsen
after all he is the number 1. This happens all the time in all sports, there is a mix of nationalities
in any team even national teams the manager might be from a different country and
ends up playing against his or hers native country.
Was this an issue before the tournament started?
I agree that the Russians are just venting their emotions.
Topic: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 12. (Read 2134 times)
At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions.
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game.
It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo.
So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years.
Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen.
As someone who is a big fan of Magnus, I am personally saddened by the state of Nepo in the WC 2021. After game 6, he somehow went downhill especially that in yesterday's games, he blundered which gave Magnus a +4.6 advantage which he slowly raked through the game and converted it to a win!
Magnus retained his 5th WC title but props to Nepo for the brilliant games he played. He definitely challenged Magnus and put up a good fight but at the end, the champion still reigned.
Yes it seemed that in the early games it was going to be very close between them
with the title possible to go to either oponent but when Carlsen won that 6th game
it seems that he broke the deadlock and was able to beat Nepo's game plans.
Thinking back to the first 5 games, Carlsen arguably learned more about Nepo's
play than the other way around. would that be a fair assesment?
https://en.chessbase.com/post/world-championship-2021-g11
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Then came game 6, the turning point of the confrontation. In a marathon game, which will
be repeatedly analysed in the near future, Carlsen came out on top after a rollercoaster battle.
The game lasted almost 8 hours and, in hindsight, had a major impact in Nepo’s psychological shape.
What followed was nothing short of a disaster for the Russian, who lost three games after horribly
blundering simple tactical tricks — especially for players of the highest level.
be repeatedly analysed in the near future, Carlsen came out on top after a rollercoaster battle.
The game lasted almost 8 hours and, in hindsight, had a major impact in Nepo’s psychological shape.
What followed was nothing short of a disaster for the Russian, who lost three games after horribly
blundering simple tactical tricks — especially for players of the highest level.
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game.
It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo.
So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years.
Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen.
As someone who is a big fan of Magnus, I am personally saddened by the state of Nepo in the WC 2021. After game 6, he somehow went downhill especially that in yesterday's games, he blundered which gave Magnus a +4.6 advantage which he slowly raked through the game and converted it to a win!
Magnus retained his 5th WC title but props to Nepo for the brilliant games he played. He definitely challenged Magnus and put up a good fight but at the end, the champion still reigned.
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game.
It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo.
So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years.
Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen.
So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game.
This confrontation reminded me of some boxing fights when, before the first knockout, there is complete equality in the ring, and after one of the boxers is knocked out, he can no longer recover and the remaining rounds become a formality. After the first defeat, Nepo disintegrated and ceased resistance. It's a pity. Apparently Magnus has a few more years before a new generation of players like Firouja gain strength and dethrone him.
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
You can't make any blunders when you're up against the World Champion, Carlsen will have a way to exploit that weakness and capitalize on it. At the least, he played like a contender for world champion. Carlsen would probably hold the title for a long time because I think that he is still unparalleled when it comes to chess so far. 
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game.
It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo.
So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years.
In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game.
Nepo played pretty badly and I think this is a pretty fatal blunder.Actually in the previous matches I still expected a new champion here but after this match I feel Magnus will still be in control and hold the record as a chess master who has successfully defended his title in recent years.
I am now completely on Magnus' side
So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game.
The odds for today's (11th game in the series) are:
6.30
1.50
3.90
Nepo plays white, but his chances are estimated to be about twice as bad as Magnus, and the draw has an amazing odds of 1.5. In my opinion, a bet on either of the first two outcomes or both at once looks like super profitable. It seems to me that Nepo has already come to terms with the defeat in the match, calmed down and is now able to play some good games, at least he will not allow such catastrophes as after the first defeat.
6.30
1.50
3.90
Nepo plays white, but his chances are estimated to be about twice as bad as Magnus, and the draw has an amazing odds of 1.5. In my opinion, a bet on either of the first two outcomes or both at once looks like super profitable. It seems to me that Nepo has already come to terms with the defeat in the match, calmed down and is now able to play some good games, at least he will not allow such catastrophes as after the first defeat.
Nice Draw, that was a really clean game,
Lichess blog post is updated with all the games up to game number 10, linking it again for those who may want to check.
here are the moves of Game 10 with comments but it's much better to check it on the website with the interactive board.
Lichess blog post is updated with all the games up to game number 10, linking it again for those who may want to check.
here are the moves of Game 10 with comments but it's much better to check it on the website with the interactive board.
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In the press conference after game 9 Magnus was asked, when he had just a 1 game lead, if he picked solid and sound continuations (Like move 10 Qe1 in Game 8). Now, when he has a 3 games lead, what shall we expect in the following 5 games in terms of the style of play? On this, Magnus replied it's more up to Ian.1.e4e52.Nf3Nf6Petroff Defense.3.Nxe5
3.d4is what Magnus opted in his winning Game 8.3...Nxe44.Bd3d55.Nxe5Nd76.Nxd7Bxd77.Nd2!?-see Game 8
3...d64.Nd3!?Deviation from classic variations. Perhaps, not many of you have seen this move before. Clearly, 4.Nf3 is the main move but starting from 2018 the other two Knight retreats (4.Nc4 and 4.Nd3) gained significant popularity.4.Nc4is the second option4...Nxe45.Qe2Qe76.Ne3and this setup has some similarities with Carlsen's choice4...Nxe45.Qe2Qe76.Nf4This position also occurred in Game 6 of the match Carlsen - Caruana back in 2018.6...Nf6
6...Nc6was the choice of the challenger in the previous match.7.Nd5positions looks to be lost for Black, since White has numerous threats, yet after counter-tactical strike Black is perfectly fine.7.c3Nf68.d4would transpose to the text game.7...Nd4!both Queens are hanging now8.Nxe7Nxe29.Nd5Again White has attacked into two points, but Black keeps the balance attacking symmetrical squares.9.Bxe2Bxe79...Nd4!
10.Na3!?Ne611.f3N4c512.d4Nd713.c3c614.Nf4Nb6You rarely see by move 14 both sides to play in total 19 times with the Knights. What a horse race!15.Bd3d516.Nc2Bd617.Nxe6Bxe618.Kf2h5is how the game proceeded in Game 6 of the London match. Later, this relatively calm and sound position turned to be one of the dramatic games of the 2018 World Championship Match. Caruana - with the Black pieces was extremely close to winning the game,vhaving an extra piece for only a pawn in the endgame. Yet, the game ended in a draw on move 80.
10.Bd3a try of defending c2-pawn with a tempo doesn't lead to a win for White due to10...Nc511.Nxc7+Kd812.Nxa8Nxd3+13.cxd3Nc2+14.Kd1Nxa1and despite the fact that White has an extra pawn on d2, the position is equal.
7.d4
7.Nc3is what happened once in my game7...c68.f3!?White tries to seize the kingside by playing g4 later.g5!?was what I played. Perhaps, it was over-ambitious.8...h5!?was a better try9.h4Bf59.Nd3Be610.b3Bg711.Bb2Nbd712.O-O-Oh612...O-O-Oloses a pawn due to double-attack after.13.Qe3±13.Qf2and White was clearly better. I eventually managed to hold the draw against Ganguly.
7...Nc68.c3both sides seem to be in a peaceful mood today.
8.Be3!?keeping Queens on the board could have been a try to play for the initiative
8...Bf59.Nc3O-O-O10.d5Ne5
11.Bxa7g5!?11...b6?12.Qa6++−12.Nh3Bxc2!?13.Be3!13.Qxc2??would be fatal for White13...Nf3+14.Kd1Qe1#Bd313...Nd3+??14.Kd2and Black loses a piece.14.Qd1Bxf115.Kxf1h616.Ng1↑bringing the Knight back to life.
11.O-O-OKb8?!11...a612.Qd2g513.Nh3h614.Qd4looks promising for White12.Qb5+−looks bad for Black.
8...g59.Nd3Bg710.Nc3Be611.O-O-Oh612.h4↑
8...d5
8...g5!?considering the given situation in the match, this is how Ian should have played I assume.9.Nd39.Qxe7+Bxe710.Ne2Nd511.Ng3h5↑...½,Harikrishna, P - Bai, J (China, 2019)Rg8⇆followed by ...-Bd7, long castle and advancing kingside pawns.
9.Nd2Nd8With the b8-c6-d8-e6 zig-zag manoeuvre brings the Knight to -e6, trying to trade off the Knights9...Bd7followed by long castle also looked reasonable10.Nf3Qxe2+11.Bxe2Bd612.O-OO-ONow, when Queens are off the board; both sides having castled kingside and have symmetrical pawn structures, the position has a drawing tendency13.Bd3Re814.Re1Rxe1+15.Nxe1Ne616.Nxe6Bxe6with last moves and a couple more exchanges position simplified even more.17.g3thematic move, freeing g2-square for the Knight.17...g6Black copies White's strategy18.Ng2Re819.f3controlling -e4 and -g4 squares19...Nh520.Kf2
20.g4Ng721.Bf4Bxf422.Nxf4g523.Ng2h524.h3hxg425.hxg4f5leads to similar positions as in the game
20...c621.g4Ng722.Bf4Bxf423.Nxf4g5!important move, otherwise White's spatial advantage on the kingside would give lasting edge for White.24.Ne2f5stabilizing position with aggressive approach.25.h3Kf726.Rh1h627.f4now pawns27...fxg428.hxg4Bxg429.Rxh6Bf5defending from Bg629...Bxe2??30.Bg6++−30.Bxf5Nxf531.Rh7+Ng7
31...Kg6would also be perfectly fine32.Rxb7Nd633.Rxa7Ne4+34.Kg134.Kf3Nd2+35.Kf2Ne4+Nd2and again White has nothing better than35.Kf2Ne4+
32.fxg5Kg633.Rh3Kxg5now when all pawns on the kingside are traded, no doubts remain about the outcome of the game.34.Rg3+Kf635.Rf3+Ke736.Nf4Kd637.Ng6Re638.Ne5Ne839.Rf7Rf6+40.Rxf6+Nxf641.Ke3The game ends in a draw. Magnus is one more step closer to officially retaining the crown. Tomorrow is the rest day in Dubai. In the next game, Ian is having White pieces. Does he plan to go for a 'consolation goal' or we are going to see a relatively sound opening concept by him? We will know about it on Friday. Meanwhile, enjoy chess!
3.d4is what Magnus opted in his winning Game 8.3...Nxe44.Bd3d55.Nxe5Nd76.Nxd7Bxd77.Nd2!?-see Game 8
3...d64.Nd3!?Deviation from classic variations. Perhaps, not many of you have seen this move before. Clearly, 4.Nf3 is the main move but starting from 2018 the other two Knight retreats (4.Nc4 and 4.Nd3) gained significant popularity.4.Nc4is the second option4...Nxe45.Qe2Qe76.Ne3and this setup has some similarities with Carlsen's choice4...Nxe45.Qe2Qe76.Nf4This position also occurred in Game 6 of the match Carlsen - Caruana back in 2018.6...Nf6
6...Nc6was the choice of the challenger in the previous match.7.Nd5positions looks to be lost for Black, since White has numerous threats, yet after counter-tactical strike Black is perfectly fine.7.c3Nf68.d4would transpose to the text game.7...Nd4!both Queens are hanging now8.Nxe7Nxe29.Nd5Again White has attacked into two points, but Black keeps the balance attacking symmetrical squares.9.Bxe2Bxe79...Nd4!
10.Na3!?Ne611.f3N4c512.d4Nd713.c3c614.Nf4Nb6You rarely see by move 14 both sides to play in total 19 times with the Knights. What a horse race!15.Bd3d516.Nc2Bd617.Nxe6Bxe618.Kf2h5is how the game proceeded in Game 6 of the London match. Later, this relatively calm and sound position turned to be one of the dramatic games of the 2018 World Championship Match. Caruana - with the Black pieces was extremely close to winning the game,vhaving an extra piece for only a pawn in the endgame. Yet, the game ended in a draw on move 80.
10.Bd3a try of defending c2-pawn with a tempo doesn't lead to a win for White due to10...Nc511.Nxc7+Kd812.Nxa8Nxd3+13.cxd3Nc2+14.Kd1Nxa1and despite the fact that White has an extra pawn on d2, the position is equal.
7.d4
7.Nc3is what happened once in my game7...c68.f3!?White tries to seize the kingside by playing g4 later.g5!?was what I played. Perhaps, it was over-ambitious.8...h5!?was a better try9.h4Bf59.Nd3Be610.b3Bg711.Bb2Nbd712.O-O-Oh612...O-O-Oloses a pawn due to double-attack after.13.Qe3±13.Qf2and White was clearly better. I eventually managed to hold the draw against Ganguly.
7...Nc68.c3both sides seem to be in a peaceful mood today.
8.Be3!?keeping Queens on the board could have been a try to play for the initiative
8...Bf59.Nc3O-O-O10.d5Ne5
11.Bxa7g5!?11...b6?12.Qa6++−12.Nh3Bxc2!?13.Be3!13.Qxc2??would be fatal for White13...Nf3+14.Kd1Qe1#Bd313...Nd3+??14.Kd2and Black loses a piece.14.Qd1Bxf115.Kxf1h616.Ng1↑bringing the Knight back to life.
11.O-O-OKb8?!11...a612.Qd2g513.Nh3h614.Qd4looks promising for White12.Qb5+−looks bad for Black.
8...g59.Nd3Bg710.Nc3Be611.O-O-Oh612.h4↑
8...d5
8...g5!?considering the given situation in the match, this is how Ian should have played I assume.9.Nd39.Qxe7+Bxe710.Ne2Nd511.Ng3h5↑...½,Harikrishna, P - Bai, J (China, 2019)Rg8⇆followed by ...-Bd7, long castle and advancing kingside pawns.
9.Nd2Nd8With the b8-c6-d8-e6 zig-zag manoeuvre brings the Knight to -e6, trying to trade off the Knights9...Bd7followed by long castle also looked reasonable10.Nf3Qxe2+11.Bxe2Bd612.O-OO-ONow, when Queens are off the board; both sides having castled kingside and have symmetrical pawn structures, the position has a drawing tendency13.Bd3Re814.Re1Rxe1+15.Nxe1Ne616.Nxe6Bxe6with last moves and a couple more exchanges position simplified even more.17.g3thematic move, freeing g2-square for the Knight.17...g6Black copies White's strategy18.Ng2Re819.f3controlling -e4 and -g4 squares19...Nh520.Kf2
20.g4Ng721.Bf4Bxf422.Nxf4g523.Ng2h524.h3hxg425.hxg4f5leads to similar positions as in the game
20...c621.g4Ng722.Bf4Bxf423.Nxf4g5!important move, otherwise White's spatial advantage on the kingside would give lasting edge for White.24.Ne2f5stabilizing position with aggressive approach.25.h3Kf726.Rh1h627.f4now pawns27...fxg428.hxg4Bxg429.Rxh6Bf5defending from Bg629...Bxe2??30.Bg6++−30.Bxf5Nxf531.Rh7+Ng7
31...Kg6would also be perfectly fine32.Rxb7Nd633.Rxa7Ne4+34.Kg134.Kf3Nd2+35.Kf2Ne4+Nd2and again White has nothing better than35.Kf2Ne4+
32.fxg5Kg633.Rh3Kxg5now when all pawns on the kingside are traded, no doubts remain about the outcome of the game.34.Rg3+Kf635.Rf3+Ke736.Nf4Kd637.Ng6Re638.Ne5Ne839.Rf7Rf6+40.Rxf6+Nxf641.Ke3The game ends in a draw. Magnus is one more step closer to officially retaining the crown. Tomorrow is the rest day in Dubai. In the next game, Ian is having White pieces. Does he plan to go for a 'consolation goal' or we are going to see a relatively sound opening concept by him? We will know about it on Friday. Meanwhile, enjoy chess!
Nepo is really demoralized, but the odds of a draw and his victory are still very good.
It was a draw, but the last few days have definitely demoralised him. He has no chance of winning the championship, but if he plays conservatively and keeps drawing, then he's lost by three points without winning even one game. I wondered if he might play a more risky strategy from now on, in the hopes of getting just one win on the board. Losing by four points is no different to losing by three points, but getting even one win at this stage might mean something to him.
totally agree it shouldn't be a lottery @Boristhecat
I just thought it would be possible to have reliable results with less games, but well, if before we had 48 games in a row (didn't know that), and now we have 14, we came a long way!
I just thought it would be possible to have reliable results with less games, but well, if before we had 48 games in a row (didn't know that), and now we have 14, we came a long way!
I can't even imagine the pressure of battling for more than 7h in a game
must be really hard for them and energy consuming
but why so many games? I'd would understand 5 or 7 games but having 10+ is really necessary?
must be really hard for them and energy consuming
but why so many games? I'd would understand 5 or 7 games but having 10+ is really necessary?
Yes, this is necessary because it is not a lottery here, but an exact determination of who is stronger in chess. Judging by your surprise, you have never heard of the first Karpov-Kasparov match (when there was still no limit on the number of games and draw games were not taken into account).
Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1984
48 games in a row!
The odds for today's game are:
3.20
1.50
9.80
Nepo is really demoralized, but the odds of a draw and his victory are still very good.
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Some mentioned that the commentators (e.g. Caruana, Ashley, etc.) were somehow harsh on the comments against Nepo but again, in this kind of competition, accuracy and patience are the winning key. With two (2) games down to Nepo, I do think that the title is decided already.
Some mentioned that the commentators (e.g. Caruana, Ashley, etc.) were somehow harsh on the comments against Nepo but again, in this kind of competition, accuracy and patience are the winning key. With two (2) games down to Nepo, I do think that the title is decided already.
I can't even imagine the pressure of battling for more than 7h in a game
must be really hard for them and energy consuming
but why so many games? I'd would understand 5 or 7 games but having 10+ is really necessary?
First to 7.5 points wins I believe, its now 5-3 to Carlsen, looks like its an uphill task
for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6,
mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push
his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon?
Nepo will really have to come forward and play offensive in the remaining games. Looks like it's a sure win for Carlsen, payout for him is now 1.25for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6,
mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push
his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon?
Where did you find these odds? I see that those bookmakers who still accept bets on the outcome of the whole match are ready to give only 1.02 for Magnus. 1.25 is easy money and just a gift in this situation.
The odds for tomorrow's match are:
5.50 - 1.40 - 5.40
As before, I believe that the draw is profitable, besides, I believe that Nepo should win at least one game, so the 5.5 odds when playing with white looks attractive.
First to 7.5 points wins I believe, its now 5-3 to Carlsen, looks like its an uphill task
for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6,
mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push
his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon?
Nepo will really have to come forward and play offensive in the remaining games. Looks like it's a sure win for Carlsen, payout for him is now 1.25 for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6,
mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push
his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon?
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