[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 10.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 07, 2022, 09:41:41 AM

What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports.

I find it also amusing that chess indeed is the sport that involves mentally and psychological battle between you and your opponent. The slightest mistake could definitely cost the match that may have lasted for several hours depending on the game format (e.g. classical, rapid, blitz, or bullet). Though many have argued that chess is not considered as a "real sport", I do think that suffering a loss here can be brutally painful.

I am just thrilled that this sport has been widespread recognized and its popularity is steadily increasing. I just hope that more people would try it out as it is definitely enjoyable!

A defeat in a chess match is one of the most crushing things that you can experience in the sport world, and I will explain why, in almost any sport there is a huge element of chance mixed in the game, so even if you lose you can find a lot of circumstances that went against you during that game and if a single one of them had turned on your favor then you could have gotten a win, this gives you some peace of mind and it lets you to more easily accept the defeat.

But in chess this is no possible, as nothing on the board is up to chance and the one to win is simply the one that plays the best.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 07, 2022, 09:41:41 AM

What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports.

I find it also amusing that chess indeed is the sport that involves mentally and psychological battle between you and your opponent. The slightest mistake could definitely cost the match that may have lasted for several hours depending on the game format (e.g. classical, rapid, blitz, or bullet). Though many have argued that chess is not considered as a "real sport", I do think that suffering a loss here can be brutally painful.

I am just thrilled that this sport has been widespread recognized and its popularity is steadily increasing. I just hope that more people would try it out as it is definitely enjoyable!

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 31, 2021, 11:09:02 AM

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That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker.

Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different.

But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed.

I agree with you that chess can be quite hard
and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality
as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games

but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus

What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports.

Watching games like this is boring for someone not interested. I was once among the kids to represent my grade level to compete within our school but eventually lose. I think I'm the only one who knew chess in the 4th grade that time which I only learn because my father needs someone to play with.

After showing him I'm not very interested in the game, he was very disappointed. He started to just play with the chess hustlers, I think chess players has to mess up with chess hustlers on parks in preparation to compete, its where they real game is. More pro than olympics.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 31, 2021, 11:09:02 AM

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That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker.

Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different.

But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed.

I agree with you that chess can be quite hard
and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality
as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games

but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus

What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 31, 2021, 11:09:02 AM

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That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker.

Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different.

But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed.

I agree with you that chess can be quite hard
and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality
as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games

but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sports

When people think of the word sport they think of a competition of a physical nature, however there are also mind sports, and without a doubt chess falls in that category, after all the amount of effort, preparation and time that chess players need to dedicate to the game makes it very similar to what we see in traditional sports, however with the advent of esports people are becoming more accepting about alternative sports, and taking into account that chess has existed for a very long time then it is natural that it is now finally being recognized as a sport as well.

Well I can attest that when you play chess for many hours a day you come out very tired, very hungry and wanting to sleep, in fact when I was in college that sport kept me very alert and with my thoughts at 1000%, and It really is a sport that wants to practice and practice many plays all the time, in fact there are many chess players who have so much theory that from the beginning they make very strange starts and the truth is that the strategy is very broad, it covers many strategies. What happens is that my chess technique is very traditional, there are already many master moves that are really very advanced moves.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sports

When people think of the word sport they think of a competition of a physical nature, however there are also mind sports, and without a doubt chess falls in that category, after all the amount of effort, preparation and time that chess players need to dedicate to the game makes it very similar to what we see in traditional sports, however with the advent of esports people are becoming more accepting about alternative sports, and taking into account that chess has existed for a very long time then it is natural that it is now finally being recognized as a sport as well.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome

Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.
I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind
because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain.

Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge.
The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage
is Darts.

I think chess can be one of the most brutal sports compared to any other sport that is recognized.

While it does not involve any physical activity, the mental and psychological torture is beyond incomprehensible to us mere mortals. Imagine, playing 9-15 hours of straight chess which needs continuous concentration and focus where one mistake in your calculation can result to a loss. That is why it is definitely heartbreaking if a player lost a very long-game. That is also the reason on why classical chess is the pinnacle of any other chess mode (e.g. rapid, blitz, bullet, etc.).

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Quote from: aoluain on December 30, 2021, 02:37:41 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 28, 2021, 03:47:08 PM

Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome

Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.
I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind
because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain.

Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge.
The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage
is Darts.

That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker.

Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different.

But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 30, 2021, 02:37:41 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 28, 2021, 03:47:08 PM

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Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.
I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind
because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain.

Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge.
The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage
is Darts.

you are right
I'd say chess is a game and not a sport
I know many don't agree with it, but when I think about sports I think about effort and sweat
there's effort in chess, of course, but it's way more about the mind than about the body

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 28, 2021, 03:47:08 PM

Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome

Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.
I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind
because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain.

Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge.
The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage
is Darts.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome

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Chess is also available on many sites to bet on.

which sites? any of these are crypto only?

Quote from: Shamm on December 23, 2021, 08:42:37 AM

Chess is not just easy game you need to practice a long time to be a chess player cause if you play this game you need to think higher how you can defense and offense some in other games but you can not compare the skills one to a mind one football, basketball, softballs these are the example of physical games but chess is different from them your mind was your best partners if you play chess game.

it's hard to compare different games but chess is definitely hard
these Grand masters can see 5 or more plays and calculate a lot in terms of future possibilities
it's really impressive

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Chess is also available on many sites to bet on. It seems that the Norwegian is just too good. Have also read that he owns all titles in the chess circuit. That Russian isn't that bad, is it?
According to the rankings from the world.
Still, Carlsen won with great force majeure. In chess, there is only 1 game played. A big advantage for the reigning world champion, who only has to defeat 1 opponent in this way.
Weird format actually, if you think about it.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sports

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Quote from: famososMuertos on December 23, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

This is an ordinary sport in my opinion, but of course there are many curiosities associated with chess - for example, when Carlsen became world champion for the first time, in Norway they could not give him an award as the best athlete of the year, since in Norway chess was not considered a sport at that time and was not particularly at all popular.
I personally knew a chess player (now he is an international grandmaster) - he went to the gym along with fitness fans because he said that in order to sit 10 hours a day at the board, you need a lot of energy.

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Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality.

makes sense and I agree with you
only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities
better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too

I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport.

When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport.

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I think that the odds favour Carlsen, but not as much as to give the advantage that some of the bookies are giving. Nepomniachtchi (heck... let's call him Nepo) is particularly good at beating Carlsen, while only being the number 4 officially, he is the one that can actually cause trouble to the all powerful guy Magnus (has anyone noticed that the name means "overly great" in Latin. Well, the show seems to be over now with so much advantage from Magnus, but that is perhaps when the best may be more interesting and rewarding.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 18, 2021, 03:08:54 AM

Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially
numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee
that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really.

Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament
or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that?

Carlsen wanted to play against Firouzja in the next WC classical championship match since he sees the potential of him being the next world champion. If you would see the games that Alireza played, he performed exceptionally well especially that he became the youngest player to break the 2800 rating.

Of course, Carlsen CANNOT make any demands like that but he certainly may inspire Alireza to perform better so that the latter could participate in the next candidates next year. Like what Magnus mentioned, he is undoubtedly looking forward to play against him.

It may seem odd to some people that Carlsen is acting like this, however it is obvious you do not get to be so good at anything without really caring about it, Carlsen probably wants to compete against the very best at the biggest stage, and it is not like he does not have the credentials to make this kind of demand, after all he defended his world championship with ease and most likely he wants a challenge, and Carlsen thinks that Firouzja is the one that has the best chance to defeat him and to offer the most exciting match among all the other candidates.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 23, 2021, 08:29:55 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 22, 2021, 04:24:43 AM

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Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality.

makes sense and I agree with you
only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities
better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too

Chess is not just easy game you need to practice a long time to be a chess player cause if you play this game you need to think higher how you can defense and offense some in other games but you can not compare the skills one to a mind one football, basketball, softballs these are the example of physical games but chess is different from them your mind was your best partners if you play chess game.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 22, 2021, 04:24:43 AM

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Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality.

makes sense and I agree with you
only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities
better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too

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