[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 8.

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Quote from: passwordnow on February 12, 2022, 03:39:41 AM

Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more.

Not only for Chess for every sports there must a general thread where every event about that sports is discussed. For instance, there is general thread about cricket T20 format. Now everything related to T20 whether its World Cup or some other tournament it's discussed there.
This Chess match between Carlsen and Nepomniachtchi was played back 2 months ago. Still we have an active thread about that match.

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Quote from: South Park on February 11, 2022, 03:34:27 PM

A general thread regarding all things chess would be fine, we have one of those with the NFL and the few members that care about it keep it alive and the discussion there is quite nice, from time to time someone else creates a thread, like right now that there are a few due to the Super Bowl being so close, but they fail to gain any traction, so I think that would be the best choice due to the size of the bitcointalk community that care about it being so low.

Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 07, 2022, 12:20:51 PM

the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here

but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too
many possibilities

Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic.
By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think?

A general thread regarding all things chess would be fine, we have one of those with the NFL and the few members that care about it keep it alive and the discussion there is quite nice, from time to time someone else creates a thread, like right now that there are a few due to the Super Bowl being so close, but they fail to gain any traction, so I think that would be the best choice due to the size of the bitcointalk community that care about it being so low.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on February 09, 2022, 06:27:17 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 07, 2022, 12:20:51 PM

the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here

but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too
many possibilities

Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic.
By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think?

yes, unfortunately you can't add a poll to an existing topic, you'd have to create a new one for that.
I think it's worth to create a new topic too, who'll pull the trigger and make it happen?

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Carlsen proves unbeatable. This time he gave Nepomniachi quite a beating. You can also ask yourself whether this formula is still so fair. The winner only needs to play a final, while other players have to qualify through a tournament and beat multiple opponents. The setup should be about the same as in other sports like tennis. A tournament, and the best one to win is a champion.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 07, 2022, 12:20:51 PM

the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here

but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too
many possibilities

Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic.
By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think?

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the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here

but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too
many possibilities

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 04, 2022, 09:56:03 AM

Quote from: South Park on February 03, 2022, 03:59:38 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 01, 2022, 02:48:25 PM

yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen
have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess?
almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast.

Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development

I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.

what helped me was reducing the time slowly over many plays...
now I can play 5 minutes games without stressing so much, still better to play slower ones but I find them enjoyable, lower than that is still hard and I find it the faster the game the more addicting it gets too

Lichess is a platform where it is a game of memorization and familiarization of opening repertoires and traps. Mostly, people who participate in lichess are skilled in knowing and recognizing patterns from the games they have played. That is why whenever I participate in lichess tournaments, I always blunder my pieces due to the time format of playing only under a minute.

Compared to players like Magnus, Alireza, and Andrew Tang where they can instantly play at any time format due to their skill, us beginners and normal human beings will most likely blunder every single time.

By the way just a recommendation, will it be possible if we could create like a "Chess Discussion Board" where we put all the relevant matches that were played instead of plaguing this board.

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Quote from: South Park on February 03, 2022, 03:59:38 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 01, 2022, 02:48:25 PM

yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen
have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess?
almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast.

Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development

I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.

what helped me was reducing the time slowly over many plays...
now I can play 5 minutes games without stressing so much, still better to play slower ones but I find them enjoyable, lower than that is still hard and I find it the faster the game the more addicting it gets too

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Quote from: South Park on February 03, 2022, 03:59:38 PM

I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.

If you do not have a lot of gaming experience, then you should not play on such a short timer - there is no need to think, you need to make moves based on experience. And if you have seen games on the Internet, many players, even having a completely lost position, win the game because they make very fast moves (or pre-moves) and the opponent simply does not have time to checkmate them.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 01, 2022, 02:48:25 PM

yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen
have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess?
almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast.

Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development

I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.

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yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen
have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess?
almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast.

Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development

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Quote from: South Park on January 26, 2022, 03:28:35 PM

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Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.

yes, that is really interesting
I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones

the strategies change a lot too
blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction

I remember that in a book I read long time ago the author describes how in a regular game in which one of the players was running out of time his opponent began moving his king around and some of the movements were so bad that he should have lost his queen, however his opponent was so mesmerized by what he was seeing that soon he lost the game by running out of time, and this is something that is really effective in blitz games, if you can do a movement that does not weaken your position but that can confuse your opponent, that is worth gold as they will take a lot of seconds trying to figure out what are you doing while slowly they run out of time, which shows that in blitz games not only you are playing against the player in front of you but against the clock.

I think that usually happens to many players when they put games to 3 minutes, at first they are very concentrated, then there comes a time where if there is a period of deconcentration bad movements begin to happen and they start playing randomly, I think that this is caused by desperation, is very common, especially when there are spectators who are following everything and analyze it with more time than whoever is sitting there. In tournaments I have seen when players don't follow their plan, but they concentrate so that their time doesn't run out and for that reason they lose.

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Quote from: South Park on January 26, 2022, 03:28:35 PM

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exactly @South Park!
I'd say it's a different kind of skill, not only about chess knowledge and execution but also about being able to think and react fast
the clock is a totally different opponent than real people

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 19, 2022, 08:22:43 AM

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Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.

yes, that is really interesting
I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones

the strategies change a lot too
blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction

I remember that in a book I read long time ago the author describes how in a regular game in which one of the players was running out of time his opponent began moving his king around and some of the movements were so bad that he should have lost his queen, however his opponent was so mesmerized by what he was seeing that soon he lost the game by running out of time, and this is something that is really effective in blitz games, if you can do a movement that does not weaken your position but that can confuse your opponent, that is worth gold as they will take a lot of seconds trying to figure out what are you doing while slowly they run out of time, which shows that in blitz games not only you are playing against the player in front of you but against the clock.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 20, 2022, 08:57:29 AM

really cool, thanks for all the information @Boristhecat
we'll probably see more and more online chess tournaments if this trend keeps going, it's different than physical ones but you are right, players save so much with hotels, flights, etc...

are there tournaments that big on all game styles? including rapid ones like 5-15 minutes?
First time I hear about a prize so big for an online chess tournament

The situation with the virus blew up the world of online chess, many tournaments have already been held online and new ones have appeared: Magnus Carlsen launches online chess super-tournament Quite a spectacular format and a large prize pool:

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The Magnus Carlsen Invitational
The $250,000 event starts on April 18th and ends on May 3rd, with the following format:

8 players first compete in a single round-robin over 7 rounds
Each match features four 15+10 rapid games, where the winner gets 3 match points & the loser 0
If the match ends 2:2 an Armageddon game (5 vs. 4 minutes) is played, with the winner getting 2 points and the loser 1
The top four players after Round 7 enter the Final Four knockout - if match points are equal, game points are the first tiebreaker
The semi-finals, and final use a similar 4-game match system, except a 2:2 draw will be followed by two 5+3 blitz games, and if still drawn another two 5+3 games, and only then Armageddon

It was a whole series of tournaments with a different (arbitrary) set of players, so even not the top grandmasters had a chance to prove themselves. Now the situation with the virus is calming down and we see the return of classic tournaments (like the one that is going on now), but I think online tournaments will not disappear anywhere, as they attract a huge audience due to the spectacular format.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 12:48:34 PM

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Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study.

yes, it's quite impressive to check number of online players on lichess too, usually it's never less than 50 thousand people sometimes reaching 115 thousand connected users ready to play (or playing)

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Quote from: Shamm on January 25, 2022, 11:45:45 AM

Chess game is one of the best indoors sports even though this is not that type of physical but mental is the best weapon to defeat our enemy this sports also is the best way of trained our mental health and develop our strategy. That's why I salute all the chess players cause they are have a higher critical thinking .

That is true because in chess you have to think about every step that you are going to make. One wrong move can be in the game in an instant. And it takes an unbelievable amount of patience to play chess and also the view as need to be patient who wants to learn and get good on this game.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 12:48:34 PM

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

It is that with chess you can study all the time, there are moves that are masters and that are difficult to understand, sometimes I start looking and I start thinking what I would have done instead of the other player, and the possibilities that they open are too many, they are very calculated because reason, routine and invention must be combined a lot, it is something very global and that only the brain of each person is capable of assimilating, I have 2 friends from the university that I have never been able to beat them because They know a lot of theory and they always buy magazines and analyze the plays, the experience they have is unique and the most important thing is that when they play they do it very quickly while I try to go to their level, but it is very difficult.

Obviously to you learn in any game or sports you have to think about the mistakes and what you could have done better. Imagine if a pro is playing and he ends up losing against another pro, you have to think about where the mistake was made and what could have been done differently to avoid the outcome of losing. That's how people get better.

on lichess you can run your games through an AI after they happened so the AI can show you what were your mistakes, blunders serious errors, it's quite nice and you can learn a lot with it
you can even see how the advantage of each player changed during the match, sometimes you move a pawn that looks like something that won't hurt at all and this simple movement makes you lose 6 points in advantage (because you put a rook or queen at risk, as an example)

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Quote from: Shamm on January 25, 2022, 11:45:45 AM

Chess game is one of the best indoors sports even though this is not that type of physical but mental is the best weapon to defeat our enemy this sports also is the best way of trained our mental health and develop our strategy. That's why I salute all the chess players cause they are have a higher critical thinking .

That is true because in chess you have to think about every step that you are going to make. One wrong move can be in the game in an instant. And it takes an unbelievable amount of patience to play chess and also the view as need to be patient who wants to learn and get good on this game.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 12:48:34 PM

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

It is that with chess you can study all the time, there are moves that are masters and that are difficult to understand, sometimes I start looking and I start thinking what I would have done instead of the other player, and the possibilities that they open are too many, they are very calculated because reason, routine and invention must be combined a lot, it is something very global and that only the brain of each person is capable of assimilating, I have 2 friends from the university that I have never been able to beat them because They know a lot of theory and they always buy magazines and analyze the plays, the experience they have is unique and the most important thing is that when they play they do it very quickly while I try to go to their level, but it is very difficult.

Obviously to you learn in any game or sports you have to think about the mistakes and what you could have done better. Imagine if a pro is playing and he ends up losing against another pro, you have to think about where the mistake was made and what could have been done differently to avoid the outcome of losing. That's how people get better.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 12:48:34 PM

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2022, 09:07:21 PM

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience.

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

It is that with chess you can study all the time, there are moves that are masters and that are difficult to understand, sometimes I start looking and I start thinking what I would have done instead of the other player, and the possibilities that they open are too many, they are very calculated because reason, routine and invention must be combined a lot, it is something very global and that only the brain of each person is capable of assimilating, I have 2 friends from the university that I have never been able to beat them because They know a lot of theory and they always buy magazines and analyze the plays, the experience they have is unique and the most important thing is that when they play they do it very quickly while I try to go to their level, but it is very difficult.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 11:39:14 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 12:48:34 PM

Quote from: babygun on January 21, 2022, 02:27:33 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2022, 09:07:21 PM

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience.

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study.

Chess game is one of the best indoors sports even though this is not that type of physical but mental is the best weapon to defeat our enemy this sports also is the best way of trained our mental health and develop our strategy. That's why I salute all the chess players cause they are have a higher critical thinking .

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